Re: What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?
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erics44
paying close attention to defense is one thing
basing your style on holding is a totally different scenario
Mayweather was defensive, unpleasant to watch but boxes within the rules
Wlad is defensive, unpleasant to watch and uses tactics that are against the rules
Yeah I get where you're coming from. The refs never called him on it and at the end of the day the refs call the fights and if a fighter can get away with bending/breaking the rules then of course they will do that if it helps them out.
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vidgil
Hmmm... a joke that would make you laugh... hmmm...
What do you say to a woman with a black eye? ;D
:vd: so many things wrong with you
#1 It's "What do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes? Nothing she's already been told twice"
#2 That's not a funny joke, the ONLY version of that joke that is....A man is asked by his nagging wife to clean up the garage. While in the garage the man finds a lamp, he rubs the lamp a genie comes out. The Genie says "You've got 3 wishes, but whatever you wish for your wife will get double!" The man says "I wish for $1,000,000!" the Genie says "Alright, your wife gets $2,000,000 though" the man says "OK!" the genie grants the wish. The Man says "for my second wish I want a mansion!" the genie says "OK, your wife gets two" and the genies says "What is your final wish?" the man says "I wish I was beaten half to death"
....that at least is a bit funny, funnier when done by Ricky Gervais on The Simpsons, but still
Re: What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?
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erics44
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El Kabong
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erics44
pretty untasteful post
but I think you miss the point too
wlad klit is doing the right thing, hes winning fights and getting hit as little as possible, he doesn't care how he fights, the german/eastern European fans would love him if he sat still in the ring for 12 rounds
the thread is about him being good enough to be in the top 10 of all time
I personally think that question is very hard to answer because it didn't matter where he fought, as he generated so much money for so many people he was allowed to "fight" in what ever way he wanted
holding and leaning is against the rules and his style was based on holding and leaning, punching was secondary
if the boxing rules were followed then who knows how good he would have been, I personally think he would have lost his championship long before he did
"Untasteful" isn't a word, "distasteful" or "in poor taste" would have worked, but I get the idea. Now here's the deal, with everyone saying Wlad has a glass chin, Wlad can't take a punch, etc had he fought in a manner which people wanted him to fight. They wanted him to fight like Holyfield or Bowe, give up the height, give up the reach, don't pay as close of attention to defense....odds are that Wlad or any boxer for that matter could end up like Mago or like Riddick Bowe. Boxing is a very dangerous sport so these calls of "Klitschko is a coward, Klitschko is afraid" etc are rich considering what can and has happened to other boxers.
Statistically he's more than qualified to be top 10 all time, and out of his boxing peers they would almost all agree, the majority would say he has been an all-time great champion...but you're entitled to your opinion and at least you wrote it out a lot better than most.
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vidgil
Judging from your posts, the only thing you laugh at are jokes against women, liberals and Clinton ;D
You're a very angry fellow... maybe you should start smoking pot, it might take the edge off!
There's more to life than just Clinch-ko fights and getting angry at women and lefties! ;D
I'm not angry....I do smoke pot....try another joke, go on....amuse me, make me laugh clown
paying close attention to defense is one thing
basing your style on holding is a totally different scenario
Mayweather was defensive, unpleasant to watch but boxes within the rules
Wlad is defensive, unpleasant to watch and uses tactics that are against the rules
So reaching out with both hands... pulling the opponent's head down... and throwing your body onto the guy's back is against the rules?
Fancy that.
Oh wait... the ref didn't call it.
Re: What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?
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TitoFan
So reaching out with both hands... pulling the opponent's head down... and throwing your body onto the guy's back is against the rules?
Fancy that.
Oh wait... the ref didn't call it.
The ref didn't call Sam Peter for rabbit punching either....shit happens and you move on.....well not YOU specifically, but other people do. Maybe you should form a support group of Klitschko haters, maybe it'll help you out, discuss how much you have been hurt by his heavyweight title reign....you poor poor thing.
Re: What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?
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El Kabong
The ref didn't call Sam Peter for rabbit punching either....shit happens and you move on.....well not YOU specifically, but other people do. Maybe you should form a support group of Klitschko haters, maybe it'll help you out, discuss how much you have been hurt by his heavyweight title reign....you poor poor thing.
Hey... I like your logic!
They didn't charge Hillary for the emails thing either, so I guess she did no wrong! ;D
Re: What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?
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El Kabong
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TitoFan
So reaching out with both hands... pulling the opponent's head down... and throwing your body onto the guy's back is against the rules?
Fancy that.
Oh wait... the ref didn't call it.
The ref didn't call Sam Peter for rabbit punching either....shit happens and you move on.....well not YOU specifically, but other people do. Maybe you should form a support group of Klitschko haters, maybe it'll help you out, discuss how much you have been hurt by his heavyweight title reign....you poor poor thing.
Just knowing that Wlad lost his titles to the Gypsy Queen in the worst fight in the history of the universe is enough to lift my gloom... but I appreciate your concern. I would've preferred a KTFO, but neither fighter cooperated in that regard, throwing a punch once or twice a round. Now Clinch-Ko is on the outside looking in... and I'll be hoping and watching for a KTFO loss versus someone who hopefully won't fall for any of the shit Povetkin had to put up with. Only then will we have a HW division worth watching again.
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Wlad should be thanked for keeping all the belts together which is not an easy task with the politics in boxing. It is better Wlad held the belts than some muppets winning them and getting knocked out for the money in their first defence never to be seen again.
Wlad would not be easy to beat for any of the great champions because of his size and style, which Manny Steward perfected but I do feel that killer fighters like Foreman and Tyson could land on him and knock him out over 36 minutes.
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The fact that Wlad put on that kind of performance against the "Gypsy Queen" in the one fight of his career where he faced legit drug testing is a little suspect! :p
But I suspect AJ will knock him cold in the new year. I'd love to see Povetkin get another shot at him with a referee that will deduct points for clinching.
If Wlad can't hold, he gets knocked out cold. Hey, that rhymes! ;D
Can you imagine what real boxing champs of the past must think of Wlad's nonsense?
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TitoFan
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El Kabong
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TitoFan
So reaching out with both hands... pulling the opponent's head down... and throwing your body onto the guy's back is against the rules?
Fancy that.
Oh wait... the ref didn't call it.
The ref didn't call Sam Peter for rabbit punching either....shit happens and you move on.....well not YOU specifically, but other people do. Maybe you should form a support group of Klitschko haters, maybe it'll help you out, discuss how much you have been hurt by his heavyweight title reign....you poor poor thing.
Just knowing that Wlad lost his titles to the Gypsy Queen in the worst fight in the history of the universe is enough to lift my gloom... but I appreciate your concern. I would've preferred a KTFO, but neither fighter cooperated in that regard, throwing a punch once or twice a round. Now Clinch-Ko is on the outside looking in... and I'll be hoping and watching for a KTFO loss versus someone who hopefully won't fall for any of the shit Povetkin had to put up with. Only then will we have a HW division worth watching again.
Yes indeed, thank God for the great all action heavyweight that is Tyson Fury....I know everyone is sooooo excited to see what he does with his legacy now.....or whenever he's out of rehab.
I'm certain you will be hoping for an Anthony Joshua win....there's a slight chance, only slight mind you, that you'll be disappointed in that. If Wlad was to stop Joshua, well I don't have to tell you how much I'd be laughing at you....but then I think of your complaining and wonder "Is it worth it?" no, NOTHING is worth that.
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Master
Wlad should be thanked for keeping all the belts together which is not an easy task with the politics in boxing. It is better Wlad held the belts than some muppets winning them and getting knocked out for the money in their first defence never to be seen again.
Wlad would not be easy to beat for any of the great champions because of his size and style, which Manny Steward perfected but I do feel that killer fighters like Foreman and Tyson could land on him and knock him out over 36 minutes.
Tssk tssk Master, Wlad isn't to be commended for anything
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vidgil
The fact that Wlad put on that kind of performance against the "Gypsy Queen" in the one fight of his career where he faced legit drug testing is a little suspect! :p
But I suspect AJ will knock him cold in the new year. I'd love to see Povetkin get another shot at him with a referee that will deduct points for clinching.
If Wlad can't hold, he gets knocked out cold. Hey, that rhymes! ;D
Can you imagine what real boxing champs of the past must think of Wlad's nonsense?
He was also 40 years old and had a wife who was just hospitalized for postpartum depression, but I suppose that's no excuse.
The height difference with Wlad and Povetkin lead to a lot of clinches. If a short fighter gets inside on the tall fighter the tall fighter ties up....pretty simple stuff really, but apparently not to everyone.
Yes "real" champs of the past :rolleyes: .....most of those guys think Wladimir is a great champion, but I am guessing that just does not compute with you for whatever reason.
Re: What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?
If Wlad beats AJ then I think he will get far more respect and would enhance his legacy because he has come back from a loss at an advanced age and beaten a dangerous puncher.
Re: What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?
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El Kabong
The height difference with Wlad and Povetkin lead to a lot of clinches. If a short fighter gets inside on the tall fighter the tall fighter ties up....pretty simple stuff really, but apparently not to everyone.
Who are you trying to fool? Clinch-ko clinches EVERYONE, he does not discriminate! ;D
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vidgil
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El Kabong
The height difference with Wlad and Povetkin lead to a lot of clinches. If a short fighter gets inside on the tall fighter the tall fighter ties up....pretty simple stuff really, but apparently not to everyone.
Who are you trying to fool? Clinch-ko clinches EVERYONE, he does not discriminate! ;D
Not fooling anyone, just saying what would cause that in that specific fight is all.....or can't I say that?
Also, so you're saying that the referees for Wlad's fights typically don't follow the rules themselves/don't know the rules? These are guys who are reffing World title fights mind you.
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Wladimir is a top 20 all time for me.
In terms of all round ability he isnt that great but he made several natural or manufactured attributes work for him. He dominated the competition for years and deserves his place up there with some of the best.
Regarding the clinching. I dont have an issue with clinching as a defence mechanism, if you get hurt, grab the cunt, want a breather, grab the cunt.
Wladimir routinely used it excessively, sometimes for defence, sometimes because he simply didnt know what to do next and that's not acceptable for the main man in the main division. Wladimir sticking out a two punch combo then grabbing because he doesnt know how to safely finish it, is the same as a full back receiving the ball from the keeper, taking two touches and then launching it into row Z because he doesnt know any better. It's not pretty, but neither is Tony Adams and he had a pretty decent career. And he fucked Caprice.
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El Kabong
Not fooling anyone, just saying what would cause that in that specific fight is all.....or can't I say that?
Also, so you're saying that the referees for Wlad's fights typically don't follow the rules themselves/don't know the rules? These are guys who are reffing World title fights mind you.
While they do know the rules, as I said before when you have a guy with the money, power and influence of Klitschko (who is also promoting the fight ;D ), you can get more leeway.
Ending a big fight by DQ is a very controversial thing, and a lot of refs are also naturally gun shy to do it.
Gun shy ref, gun shy champion... bad combo! ;D
