What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?

[El Kabong]

The height difference with Wlad and Povetkin lead to a lot of clinches. If a short fighter gets inside on the tall fighter the tall fighter ties up....pretty simple stuff really, but apparently not to everyone.

Who are you trying to fool? Clinch-ko clinches EVERYONE, he does not discriminate!

Not fooling anyone, just saying what would cause that in that specific fight is all.....or can't I say that?


Also, so you're saying that the referees for Wlad's fights typically don't follow the rules themselves/don't know the rules? These are guys who are reffing World title fights mind you.

[Memphis]

Wladimir is a top 20 all time for me.

In terms of all round ability he isnt that great but he made several natural or manufactured attributes work for him. He dominated the competition for years and deserves his place up there with some of the best.

Regarding the clinching. I dont have an issue with clinching as a defence mechanism, if you get hurt, grab the cunt, want a breather, grab the cunt.

Wladimir routinely used it excessively, sometimes for defence, sometimes because he simply didnt know what to do next and that's not acceptable for the main man in the main division. Wladimir sticking out a two punch combo then grabbing because he doesnt know how to safely finish it, is the same as a full back receiving the ball from the keeper, taking two touches and then launching it into row Z because he doesnt know any better. It's not pretty, but neither is Tony Adams and he had a pretty decent career. And he fucked Caprice.

[vidgil]

Not fooling anyone, just saying what would cause that in that specific fight is all.....or can't I say that?


Also, so you're saying that the referees for Wlad's fights typically don't follow the rules themselves/don't know the rules? These are guys who are reffing World title fights mind you.

While they do know the rules, as I said before when you have a guy with the money, power and influence of Klitschko (who is also promoting the fight ), you can get more leeway.

Ending a big fight by DQ is a very controversial thing, and a lot of refs are also naturally gun shy to do it.

Gun shy ref, gun shy champion... bad combo!

[El Kabong]

While they do know the rules, as I said before when you have a guy with the money, power and influence of Klitschko (who is also promoting the fight ), you can get more leeway.

Ending a big fight by DQ is a very controversial thing, and a lot of refs are also naturally gun shy to do it.

Gun shy ref, gun shy champion... bad combo!

OK and 100% of them have been that way? These refs haven't even been warning Wlad to stop....seems like if holding is a foul and fouls need to be called for the health of the fighters involved and for the legitimacy of the contest then why won't the ref's even warn him? Money? It's just money?

But hey, you think that way, there's nothing wrong with it, keep on it.....what would boxing be without your Eagle eye for fouls

[vidgil]

OK and 100% of them have been that way? These refs haven't even been warning Wlad to stop....seems like if holding is a foul and fouls need to be called for the health of the fighters involved and for the legitimacy of the contest then why won't the ref's even warn him? Money? It's just money?

But hey, you think that way, there's nothing wrong with it, keep on it.....what would boxing be without your Eagle eye for fouls

Is this a new form of internet debate that I'm not aware of? Just keep posing questions that have already been answered?

Is this what the kids are doing now a days?

Wlad stinks, he was a horrific example of how a champion boxer should fight, and he killed off all interest in the HW division. Facts are facts!

[El Kabong]

Is this a new form of internet debate that I'm not aware of? Just keep posing questions that have already been answered?

Is this what the kids are doing now a days?

Have you heard of all the forms of debate on the internet?

What's wrong with trying to get answers?

Whose kids?

[denilson200]

WK is gonna damage his legacy because AJ will steam roller him. But I'm reading different forums and many think WK has a good chance of winning

To many on the



Even the bookies only make AJ slight fav.

These classic - Older once great but now fading HW champ VS Young hungry top quality HW Champ - almost never go the way of the older guy

Think Louis - Marciano. Tyson - Holmes. Holmes - Ali. Indeed it's seem crazy now to think that Holmes was only very slight favourite to beat Ali. Now everyone looks back years later and think it was shameful that they put him Ali the ring but at the time, many people thought Ali could win. The same will happen here. Though WK will be grabbing for dear life. I don't think I have been more confident in prediction ever, than saying AJ will win and I'll say he'll win inside 3 rounds

[El Kabong]

Anthony Joshua SHOULD be the favorite....maybe not a heavy favorite due to his lack of adversity and tough fights thus far as a professional, but his age should help him. It should, it might not, but it should.


Wlad is going to be 41 whatever happens in a fight vs Joshua won't do diddly poo to his legacy unless of course he wins in which case I'm predicting the Brits bail on AJ faster than they bailed on Price.


I am quite proud of AJ even taking the fight, it's a step up for him and it's a great opportunity for him to build a legacy of his own.

[erics44]

While they do know the rules, as I said before when you have a guy with the money, power and influence of Klitschko (who is also promoting the fight ), you can get more leeway.

Ending a big fight by DQ is a very controversial thing, and a lot of refs are also naturally gun shy to do it.

Gun shy ref, gun shy champion... bad combo!

OK and 100% of them have been that way? These refs haven't even been warning Wlad to stop....seems like if holding is a foul and fouls need to be called for the health of the fighters involved and for the legitimacy of the contest then why won't the ref's even warn him? Money? It's just money?

But hey, you think that way, there's nothing wrong with it, keep on it.....what would boxing be without your Eagle eye for fouls

Most of the time wlads fights were that way, holding, leaning, cheating

and holding is a foul which you cant really argue against

[El Kabong]

Most of the time wlads fights were that way, holding, leaning, cheating

and holding is a foul which you cant really argue against

again, if the ref doesn't call it then it may as well not have happened at all. Sorry, sorry you are all upset and angry at that, but that is the reality of the situation.

[erics44]

Most of the time wlads fights were that way, holding, leaning, cheating

and holding is a foul which you cant really argue against

again, if the ref doesn't call it then it may as well not have happened at all. Sorry, sorry you are all upset and angry at that, but that is the reality of the situation.

again that is a very weak argument

and that very much isn't the reality of the situation

did the ref notice Wlads holding against Provetkin? seems he didn't because he didn't call it, or maybe it didn't happen, I dunno, you tell me?

[El Kabong]

again that is a very weak argument

and that very much isn't the reality of the situation

did the ref notice Wlads holding against Provetkin? seems he didn't because he didn't call it, or maybe it didn't happen, I dunno, you tell me?

It's not a weak argument it's reality.

...actually it's the epitome of the reality of the situation.


Again, it doesn't matter whether he noticed or whether he just didn't call it because at the end of the day the ref DID NOT CALL IT A FOUL....ergo it's fair play and if you are upset about that then perhaps you can write a strongly worded letter to any number of boxing officials.