Karl Mildenberger ~ 'I Had The Formula To Beat Cassius Clay'

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

its really amazing how you got access to both schmeling and Louis's scorecards. Were they actually judges or just sitting at ringside?

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Both Champion's were sitting next to each other at Ringside, at the front-left and near
Karl Mildenberger's corner.

Joe Louis scored Round 1 for the Champion, and Round 2 for Karl Mildenberger.

Max Schmeling scored round 1 'Even', and Round 2 for Karl Mildenberger.

Both later stated, that Cassius looked 'completely puzzled' by the southpaw-stance and
squared-up style of the Challenger.

Oddly, Referee - Teddy Waltham scored Round 2 'Even'.

Judges > Nat Fleisher {United States} and Felix Ohlert {Germany} 'properly' scored Round 2 for Karl Mildenberger.

Before the Round

Television Announcer - Howard Cosell made the statement, that he looked at the Sports
Reporters Scorecards at Ringside.

He stated that the Champion won Round 1, and that Round 2 was very close. But it looks
like many of the Journalists also scored the 2nd-Round for the Champion, though it was
close and could have been called 'Even'.

~ Round 3 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring quickly.
0:04 > Cassius sends out a left-jab, and immediately goes to circling to his right
0:17 > Cassius has been 'flicking' out left-jabs, but they all are missing.
0:25 > Mildenberger is stalking.

0:27 > Cassius backs up to the back-right Corner.
0:29 > Mildenberger scores with a quick 'right-right-left' to the face.
0:30 > Mildenberger catches the Champion with a 'jarring' left-uppercut to the chin.
0:31 > Cassius is back-pedaling along the right-side Ropes.

0:32 > Cassius definitely hurt, as he backs up to the front-center Ring area.
0:34 > Cassius sends out a 'lazy' left-right as Mildenberger is moving in.
0:38 > Cassius sends out 'poking' left-jabs.
0:39 > Cassius moves to the left-side Ring area.

0:42 > Cassius is short with a left-hand, and circles 180* to the right-side Ring area.
0:44 > Mildenberger is short with a 'double' right-hand.
0:45 > Mildenberger scores with a solid right-hand to the Champion's face.
0:47 > Mildenberger is now chasing Cassius around the Ring.

0:49 > Mildenberger lands with a 'right-left' to the chin.
0:50 > Cassius moves to the front Ropes.
1:03 > The fighters move out to Center-Ring.
1:04 > Cassius flicks out a left-jab.

1:05 > Mildenberger lands a stiff right-hand to the body.
1:09 > Cassius is short with a right-hand lead.
1:10 > Cassius is short with left-jabs.
1:12 > Cassius moves to the back Ring area.

1:14 > Mildenberger scores with a straight left-hand lead as Cassius goes into the back Ropes.
1:16 > Cassis scores with a good 'chopping' right-hand counter to the head.
1:17 > Cassius circles 180* to Center-Ring.
1:19 > Cassius is sending out left-jabs.

1:21 > Mildenberger is bobbing-and-weaving, and doing a good job of avoiding the jabs.
1:27 > Both are flicking out measuring jabs.
1:38 > Both are now feinting each other, and not punching.
1:43 > Mildenberger scores with '5' straight right-jabs to the Champion's face.

1:47 > The Waldstadion Stadium erupts with 'roars'.
1:48 > Mildenberger lands with a straight right-hand, forcing the Champion to lean back.
1:50 > Cassius misses with a counter 'left-right'.
1:55 > Cassius scores with a slapping left-hook {open glove}.

1:56 > Cassius drops his hands low.
1:57 > Mildenberger scores with a 'hard' straight left-hand to the Champion's face.
1:58 > The Waldstadion Stadium 'erupts' again.
1:58 > Cassius bends low, and backs into the back-right Corner.

1:59 > Cassius puts his hands up near his head, and is 'hurt'.
2:00 > Mildenberger moves in close, and drives '4' hard left-uppercuts into the Champion's chin.
2:02 > Cassius back-pedals fast, and backs out to Center-Ring.
2:02 > Mildenberger steps forward, and scores with a 'right-left'.

2:03 > Cassius counters with a good right-hand to the jaw.
2:04 > Cassius moves to the front Ring area near the Ropes.
2:05 > Cassius fires out a left-hook to the head as Mildenberger is moving in.
2:05 > Mildenberger 'slips', and almost falls down.

2:06 > Mildenberger counters with a right-hook and Cassius slides to his left and away from the Ropes.
2:07 > Cassius counters with a left-hook, and backs away.
2:07 > Mildenberger is still pursuing.
2:08 > Cassius tries a 'big' right-hand, but misses, as Mildenberger rolls away from the punch.

2:10 > Mildenberger scores with a light 'right-right-left'.
2:16 > Mildenberger moves in close.
2:18 > Cassius drapes his left-arm over Mildenberger's neck.
2:22 > Cassius is 'wild' with a 'left-right-left-right'.

2:27 > Mildenberger is moving side-to-side, while bobbing.
2:32 > Mildenberger is now moving backwards and away from any action.
2:35 > Cassius lands with a 'glancing' right-hand lead.
2:38 > Cassius is short with a right-hand.

2:40 > Mildenberger is looking like he is resting, and protecting his earlier Round dominance.
2:45 > Mildenberer moves to the left-side Ropes.
2:46 > Cassius moves in, and lands with '2' light left-jabs.
2:53 > Mildenberger is smartly moving, protecting his Round lead.
2:56 > Cassius is looking to fire a right-hand, but the opening does not come.

3:00 > Bell

Round 3 > Karl Mildenberger

Referee - Teddy Waltham scored Round 3 for Karl Mildenberger.

Announcer - Howard Cosell scored the Round 'Even', obviously showing bias and 'brown nosing'
for the Champion.

'Stars and Stripes' called the Round 'Even'.

Howard Cosell also made the statement that Joe Louis also scored the Round 'Even'. Which the
'Brown Bomber' did not. Joe Louis scored Round 3 for Karl Mildenberger, as did Max Schmeling.

During Round 3

Howard Cosell, mentioned that he had scored the first 2-Rounds for Cassius Clay, but
had the 2nd Round very close.

Howard Cosell >
"Cassius told me that he was going to start very fast, and possibly take the Challenger
out of here right away. But, Cassius did not come out as fast as he had predicted."

'Mildenberger is presenting all sorts of problems for Cassius. He's making Cassius miss.
That left-handed stance is really causing a problem."

Howard did mention that Mildenberger 'hurt' the Champion on '2' separate occasions
in Round 3.
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Howard did ask Joe Louis on what he thought:

Joe Louis >
"Mildenberger is fighting better than I expected. He's taking it to Clay. He fought well in
Round 1, and he won Round 2."

Howard Cosell >
"It's because of his left-handed stance Joe."

Joe Louis >
"No, not really Howard. Mildenberger is not fighting like a true southpaw. He's squared up
Howard, so he's really fighting in-between left-handed and right-handed."

Howard Cosell >
"But he's leading with right-jabs, just like a southpaw."

Joe Louis >
"He is not afraid, and is willing to trade. I'm impressed. He's landed a few good punches into
Clay's face. But, he has no power at all. He's pushing his punches, but they're getting there."

Howard Cosell >
"But he's {Mildenberger} wide open for the right-hand, and he has been caught by a few."

Joe Louis >
"He's doing right by himself, as he is winning the Round in my view."

~ Round 4 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring.
0:04 > Each circle each other 180*.
0:06 > Cassius then circles 360* to his right.
0:07 > Mildenberger is pressing steadily.

0:12 > Mildenberger scores with a 'triple' right-jab.
0:14 > Mildenberger follows up with a stiff straight right-hand to the Champion's face.
0:17 > Cassius is at the back Ring area, and is still circling.
0:20 > Cassius moves to the front-left Corner area.

0:22 > Mildenberger steps in, and lands a solid left-hand into the Champion's head.
0:23 > The Waldstadion fans erupt with roars.
0:31 > Cassius is back to circling-and-dancing to his right.
0:33 > Cassius is showing 'respect'.

0:35 > Cassius lands a good hard left-jab to Mildenberger's right-eye.
0:39 > Mildenberger counters with double right-jab to the mid-section.
0:40 > Mildenberger lands a right-hand to the body.
0:42 > Mildenberger 'feints' with a right-hand, then lands a solid straight-left into the Champion's face.

0:43 > More loud roars from the Waldstadion fans.
0:44 > Cassius moves to the left-side of the Ring while now circling to his left.
0:45 > Mildenberger steps in,and lands a solid straight left to the Champion's face.
0:46 > Mildenberger follows up with a 'jarring' left-uppercut to the chin while in-close.

0:46 > The Waldstadion fans roar.
0:47 > Cassius reels backwards towards the back-right Corner.
0:47 > Cassius is definitely 'shaken'.
0:48 > Cassius back-pedals into the back-right Corner.

0:50 > Mildenberger fires in a fast 'triple' right-jab, and straight left-hand to the Champion's face.
0:53 > Cassius back-pedals out, and moves across the Ring backwards to the front Ropes.
0:55 > Cassius fires out a left-jab, and scores.
0:58 > Cassius fires, but misses with a hard 'left-right' as Mildenberger ducks low.

1:02 > Cassius comes back with another 'double' left-jab, but again misses.
1:10 > Now it's Mildenberger who goes to circling-and-moving.
1:16 > Both fighters move to Center-Ring.
1:17 > Mildenberger is smartly 'bobbing-and-weaving'.

1:20 > Mildenberger lunges forwards, and scores with an awkward 'double' right-hand to the head.
1:22 > Both exchange hard punches, Cassius with a right-lead, and Mildenberger with a straight-left.
1:23 > Mildenberger gets the better of the exchange, as Cassius backs away to his left.
1:26 > Cassius moves to the left-side Ring area, and scores with '2' poking left-jabs to the face.

1:30 > Mildenberger goes back to circling.
1:32 > Mildenberger lands with a 'light' right-jab.
1:34 > Cassius lands with a 'grazing' right-hand to the head.
1:40 > Mildenberger starts to press forward, to put the pressure on the Champion.

1:43 > Cassius catches Mildenberger coming in with a 'light' left-right to the face.
1:46 > Mildenberger goes back to 'bobbing-and-weaving'.
1:51 > Mildenberg scores with '2' right-jabs to the face.
1:52 > Both fighters are now at Center-Ring.

1:53 > Cassius goes back to dancing on his toes.
1:57 > Cassius lands with several left-jabs to the face.
2:01 > Cassius fires out with '5' fast left-jabs, but only '1' lands.
2:03 > Mldenberger sticks in a 'stiff' right-hand into the Champion's belly.

2:04 > Cassius goes back to circling to his left.
2:05 > Cassius is now at the back Ring area.
2:06 > Mildenberger steps in, and lands a big sweeping right-hook into the Champion's face.
2:07 > Mildenberger follows with a 'jarring' left-hand to the chin.

2:07 > The Waldstadion fans erupt with 'roars'.
2:08 > Cassius reels backwards to the back right Corner.
2:09 > The noise in the Waldstadion Stadium is 'deafening'.
2:10 > Mildenberger moves in.

2:10 > Cassius fires a quick right-hand lead to the head, to catch Mildenberger coming in.
2:11 > Mildenberger counters the Champion, by firing with a straight left-hand to the face.
2:12 > Cassius holds Mildenberger by the neck.
2:14 > Cassius moves out to Center-Ring.

2:17 > Cassius 'misses' with a big right-hook.
2:20 > Mildenberger goes back to 'dancing', and moves to the back-center Ropes.
2:22 > Each score with 'jabs' to each other's mid-section.
2:23 > Cassius moves to the left-side Ring area.

2:25 > Cassius sends out '3' left-jabs that partially land.
2:27 > Cassius 'misses' with a straight right-hand, as Mildenberger ducks low.
2:28 > Mildenberger scores with fast right-jab to the face.
2:30 > Cassius moves to the back Ring area.

2:32 > Mildenberger is 'bobbing-and-weaving' as he tries to move in.
2:35 > Cassius 'misses 'badly' with a right-hook.
2:37 > Cassius moves over to the right-side Ring area.
2:39 > Cassius fires out '4' fast left-jabs, but only '1' lands.

2:41 > Cassius comes back with a 'left-left-right'.
2:42 > Mildenberger counters with a fast left-hand lead to the face of the Champion.
2:43 > The punch sends Cassius off-balance to his left.
2:45 > Cassius lands a good left-jab to the face.

2:46 > Both fighters move to Center-Ring.
2:47 > Cassius starts sending out 'pecking' left-jabs.
2:48 > Mildenberger leans away to avoid the punches.
2:50 > Mildenberger moves backwards to the front-center Ropes.

2:51 > Cassius lands with a glancing right-hand to the Challenger's left-shoulder.
2:54 > Cassius is short with a 'left-right'.
2:57 > Mildenberger dances away to the right-side Ring area.
3:00 > Bell

Round 4 > Is clearly Karl Mildenberger's, based upon effective aggression, as well as
landing the sharper and harder punches.

Joe Louis >
"Karl Mildenberger is putting up a much better fight than anyyone thought. Many
expected him be out of here in the 1st or 2nd Round."

Howard Cosell >
"The Champion won the 1st-Round, and the 2nd-Round was close. But Mildenberger
has done very well in the last 2-Rounds. This is a surprisingly even bout."

Karl Mildenberger was showing signs of slight puffiness under both eyes, but looked
confident.

Spoiler alert Ali stops him in the last round.

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Originally Posted by Master

Spoiler alert; Karl Mildenberger was as fast as Cassius Clay.

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Former Champion's Scorecards

..................Joe Louis ........... Max Schmeling.......Howard 'The Shill' Cosell..
Round 1 ...... Clay ........................ 'Even' .......................... Clay
Round 2 ...... Mildenberger............ Mildenberger ................ Clay
Round 3 ...... Mildenberger ........... Mildenberger ............... 'Even'
Round 4....... Mildenberger ........... Mildenberger ............... Mildenberger

[QUOTE=Bill Paxtom;1308973]

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Originally Posted by Master

Spoiler alert; Karl Mildenberger was as fast as Cassius Clay.

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But not as strong, powerful and great.

[QUOTE=Master;1308981][QUOTE=Bill Paxtom;1308973]

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Originally Posted by Master

Spoiler alert; Karl Mildenberger was as fast as Cassius Clay.

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He sang a song of flowers at eight.

Am I seeing things.[QUOTE=Dia Bando]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jcQbAimkU

What We Have Here

Is a very ordinary southpaw German Heavyweight out-boxing the so-called 'Greatest'.

Karl did have fast-hands, but had absolutely 'Zero' power in his fists.

And he was backing up Cassius in the majority of each session.

Jack Dempsey >

"Ohhh, would I have loved to get that Clay in the Ring. He is no Gene Tunney, not by a
long shot."

"He drops his hands, and has no real strength."

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

What We Have Here

Is a very ordinary southpaw German Heavyweight out-boxing the so-called 'Greatest'.

Karl did have fast-hands, but had absolutely 'Zero' power in his fists.

And he was backing up Cassius in the majority of each session.

Jack Dempsey >

"Ohhh, would I have loved to get that Clay in the Ring. He is no Gene Tunney, not by a
long shot."

"He drops his hands, and has no real strength."

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Dempsey would never fight Ali, he was the wrong colour.

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Originally Posted by Master

or ridicuous depending on your perspective

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Well atleast nobody can accuse old Bill of not being dedicated lol

In Between Rounds,

The Waldstadion Stadium fans are chanting > "Milde, Milde, Milde"

~ Round 5 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring, and touch gloves.
0:04 > Cassius immediately circles to his right 180*.
0:07 > Both are circling at Center-Ring.
0:17 > Mildenberger is shooting out right-jabs.

0:18 > Cassius is dancing with his hands low.
0:25 > Mildenberger is 'stalking'.
0:27 > Cassius 'misses' with a left-right.
0:32 > Cassius flicks out '3' left-jabs to Mildenberger' right-eye.

0:34 > Cassius flicks out '3' more left-jabs, but they all miss.
0:39 > Cassius pecks away with '4' light left-jabs.
0:41 > Mildenberger now has a 'slight cut' under his right eye.
0:43 > Cassius lands a good left-jab to Mildenberger's left-eye.

0:44 > Mildenberger counters with a hard right-hand to the mid-section.
0:45 > Cassius circles to his right, near the front-right Ring area.
0:49 > Cassius fires in a hard left-jab.
0:53 > Cassius sends in another hard left-jab.

1:00 > Mildenberger is still pursuing.
1:01 > Cassius 'misses' with a double left-jab.
1:03 > Cassius lands with another good left-jab.
1:06 > Cassius 'misses' with a left-jab.

1:08 > Cassius 'misses' again with a left-jab.
1:13 > Mildenberger is moving in-and-out, avoiding the incoming left-jabs.
1:17 > Mildenberg lands a right-jab.
1:19 > Mildenberger lands with a good 'right-right-left'.

1:20 > Cassius is forced to back up to the back-center Ring area.
1:22 > Cassius spins 180* as Mildenberger moves in.
1:24 > Cassius is now at Center-Ring.
1:26 > Mildenberger moves in.

1:27 > Cassius fires in with a 'left-left-right'.
1:27 > Mildenberger ducks to avoid the punches.
1:30 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring.
1:37 > Mildenberger scores with a right-hand to the body.

1:45 > Mldenberger comes up short with '3' right-jabs.
1:50 > Cassius sticks out his left-hand like a 'measuring-pole'.
1:52 > Mildenberger side-steps, and delivers a 'jolting' left-hook into the Champion's chin.
1:54 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring.

1:55 > Mildenberger scores with a right-hand to the mid-section.
1:56 > Cassius counters with a high left-jab.
1:57 > Cassius puts his hands up high for defense.
1:58 > Mildenberger lands with a 'light' right-hand
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1:59 > Mildenberger steps forward, and lands with a 'sharp' right-left into the Champion's chin.
2:00 > Cassius backs up to the back-right Corner, as Mildenberger moves in.
2:02 > Cassius grabs {clinches} Mildenberger, and then spins 180* to his left, and out of the corner.
2:03 > Mildenberger is now on the back Ropes.

2:14 > Both spend the next 10-Seconds parrying each others jabs at Center-Ring.
2:17 > Cassius lands with a 'light' left-right to the face.
2:19 > Mildenberger slides over to the right-side Ropes, and leans on the Ropes.
2:21 > Both move out to Center-Ring.

2:23 > The fighters 'clinch'.
2:25 > The fighters break clean,
2:27 > Mildenberger scores with a lightning-fast 'right-left to the Champion's face, but the punches have no power.
2:29 > Mildenberger lands with a solid left-hand to the Champion's left-eye.

2:32 > Mildenberger digs in with a lead left-hand to the chest.
2:34 > Mildenberger is now carrying the fight.
2:36 > Mildenberger lands with a 'right-left'.
2:37 > Cassius moves to the left side Ropes.

2:39 > Cassius fires off '2' left-jabs.
2:41 > Cassius moves to his left, to the back Ring area.
2:44 > Cassius 'misses' with '3' left-jabs.
2:49 > Mildenberger is still pressing, and forces Cassius out to Center-Ring.

2:51 > Mildenberger circles to his right 180*, and is now at the left-center Ring area.
2:55 > Cassius puts his hands up high in defense.
2:57 > Mildenberger 'paws' with a high right-jab.
2:58 > Cassius comes over the top with a lightning-quick chopping right-hand to Mildenberger's left temple.

2:59 > Mildenberger goes down to a squat, and puts both hands on the Ring canvas.
3:00 > Mildenberger is up immediately, but it is ruled a 'Flash Knockdown'.
3:00 > 'Bell'

Round 5 > Goes to the Champion.

Karl Mildenberger fought well, and carried the fight to the Champion over the second-half of the Round.

The Challenger held the Champion 'Even' in this Round, until getting caught just before the 'Bell.

That was the difference in the Round.

~ Round 6 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring.
0:05 > Cassius immediately goes to 'stalking', and is looking to end it.
0:09 > Mildenberger circles to his right and moves to the front-center Ring area.
0:13 > Cassius moves in by flicking in left-jabs.

0:16 > Cassius 'misses' with a big right-hand.
0:22 > Cassius is still stalking, while Mildenberger moves and circles.
0:30 > Mildenberger catches the Champion coming in with a good right-hand counter.
0:32 > Cassius is 'loading up'.

0:35 > Mildenberger is using pecking right-jabs to keep Cassius outside.
0:43 > Mldenberger is now pressing forward.
0:45 > Mildenberger lands with a god right-hand to the face.
0:47 > Cassius lands a good left-jab to the face.

0:50 > Mildenberger's right-eye is cut and bleeding.
1:02 > Mildenberger is moving fast while circling.
1:04 > Mildenberger scores with a good left-hand lead.
1:06 > Blood is now coming out from the corner of Mildenberger's left eye.

1:10 > Mildenberger is smartly moving 'in-and-out', presenting a difficult target.
1:16 > Cassius is winging right-hands, but is not connecting.
1:24 > Cassius lands with a sharp 'left-left-right'.
1:27 > Cassius pecks away with a 'left-left-right'.

1:30 > Mildenberger moves to the back Ring area.
1:31 > Cassius moves in but misses with a 'left-left-right-left'.
1:33 > Mildenberger moves to the left-side Ropes.
1:35 > Mildenberger goes back to circling to his right.

1:37 > Mildenberger is showing that he is a 'game fighter'.
1:38 > Cassius misses again with a 'left-left'.
1:40 > The fighters move to Center-Ring.
1:41 > Mildenberger lands with a sharp right to the face.

1:42 > Both remain at Center-Ring.
1:45 > Mildenberger circles to his right, and is doing a good job of avoiding any incoming punches.
1:54 > Cassius continues to fire, but is missing.
1:58 > Cassius lands with a good left-jab.

2:07 > Mildenberger counters with a left-hand lead.
2:08 > Cassius lands with a 'glancing' right-hand lead.
2:10 > Mildenberger moves to the left-side Ropes.
2:17 > Mildenberger moves out to Center-Ring.

2:20 > Cassius is trying to end it, but cannot land anything flush.
2:22 > Mildenberger backs up to the front-center Ropes.
2:24 > Cassius steps forward, and lands a 'jarring' left-hook the chin.
2:25 > Mildenberger moves to the right-side Ring area.

2:29 > Cassius is sending out measuring left-jabs to the face.
2:33 > Mildenberger continues to circle to his right, and darts side-to-side as well.
2:40 > Cassius starts to put on more pressure as he moves forward.

2:45 > Cassius is firing, but he is missing with nearly everything he throws.
2:50 > Mildenberger continues to bob-and-weave while moving.
3:00 > 'Bell'

Round 6 > Goes to Cassius Clay

Both former Champions > Joe Louis and Max Schmeling score Round 6 for the Champion, stating that
Cassius had his best Round.

Max Schmeling >
"Karl took a pasting, but showed that he is a game fighter. He made the Champion miss with 80% of
his punches. Still, Clay had his best Round."

Joe Louis >
"Clay is the Champion, and fought Round 6 like he was in charge. He tried like Hell to end it, but that
Mildenberger is putting up a great effort."

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Originally Posted by Max Power

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Originally Posted by Master

or ridicuous depending on your perspective

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Well atleast nobody can accuse old Bill of not being dedicated lol

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They can accuse him of being mentally unstable about Ali.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Max Power

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Originally Posted by Master

or ridicuous depending on your perspective

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Well atleast nobody can accuse old Bill of not being dedicated lol

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They can accuse him of being mentally unstable about Ali.

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~ Before Round 6 ~

Angelo Dundee had told his fighter at the end of Round 5 >
"Go finish this guy. He's been hanging around too long. He's open for the chopping
right-hand lead {'Anchor Punch'}."

"Muhammad, feint him with the left, and come back quick over the top with the right-hand."

Cassius Clay >
"He's quicker than I thought 'Ang'. He's quick, and when he moves to his right, I can't
get the angle I need. I'll jab at his eyes, and then I'll put one on him."


Bruno Mueller >
"Keep moving to the right 'Milde'. And when you jab, double it up. He doesn't know how to
handle the double jab. He's fast, but stiff-legged."

Karl Mildenberger >
I'm fine. I feel fine. That 'Knockdown' was just a flash. I'm OK. It's just that the blood
is bothering me, and I'm having a hard time seeing out of my right-eye."

~ Scorecards ~

End of Bout

* Referee - Teddy Waltham ...... 7-2-2
* Judge - Nat Fleischer ............. 8-3-0
* Judge - Felix Ohlert ............... 6-3-2

* Associated Press ................... 9-1-1
* UPI ...................................... 7-0-4
* Stars and Stripes ................... 8-1-2
* Sport Illustrated .................... 7-3-1
* Der Spiegel ........................... 6-3-2

~ Round 7 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring.
0:08 > Cassius immediately goes after Mildenberger's cut right-eye, and fires in a chopping left-hand.
0:12 > Cassius circles to his left.
0:16 > Cassius circles to his right.

0:20 > Mildenberger is pressing forward.
0:27 > Cassius lands a stiff left-jab to Mildenberger's right-eye.
0:38 > Cassius scores with another left-jab.
0:40 > Mildenberger is staying aggressive.

0:42 > Mildenberger scores with a measuring right-jab.
0:45 > Mildenberger scores with '3' straight right-hands to the mid-section.
0:52 > Cassius moves to the back Ring area.
0:54 > Cassius has his hands help up high.

1:00 > Mildenberger is pressing, and lands with several pawing right-hands to the Champion's face.
1:02 > Cassius is now backing up fast.
1:04 > Cassius flicks out '3' left-jabs.
1:06 > Cassius lands with a good left-hand to the head.

1:08 > Mildenberger lands with '3' straight right-jabs to the face.
1:12 > Mildenberger catches the Champion with '2' right-hooks to the face.
1:16 > Cassius is again backing up fast.
1:18 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring.

1:24 > Both are missing with jabs.
1:36 > Mildenberger gets through with '2' good right-hands to the face.
1:38 > Cassius is now moving with his hands down, and held low.
1:40 > Mildenberger scores with a 'crisp' right-left.

1:42 > Cassius moves to the front-center Ropes.
1:44 > Cassius circles 180*.
1:45 > Cassius fires out '2' snapping left-jabs.
1:49 > Mildenberger lands a good right-hand to the body.

1:51 > Cassius misses with a 'left-right'.
1:54 > Cassius circles to his right.
1:55 > Mildenberger is still pressing forward aggressively.
2:00 > Cassius lands with a 'glancing' right-hand lead.

2:05 > Mildenberger presses forward, and fires off several right-hands but misses with all '4' punches.
2:09 > Cassius goes back to circling to his right.
2:11 > Mildenberger scores with '2' pawing right-hands.
2:15 > Cassius counters with '2' sharp left-jabs to the face.

2:18 > Cassius now moves to his left.
2:20 > Mildenberger steps forward, and lands with a stiff right-hand to the body.
2:22 > Cassius scores with several 'pecking' left-jabs to the face.
2:24 > Mildenberger is now bleeding profusely from under the 'right-eye'.

2:25 > Both fighters move to Center-Ring.
2:27 > Cassius flicks out '2' left-jabs.
2:29 > Cassius misses with a right-hand lead.
2:40 > Both fighters are circling at Center-Ring, while flicking out light jabs.

2:44 > Cassius moves in close, and lands with a short left-right to Mildenberger's chin.
2:48 > Cassius tries, but misses with a 'right-left'.
2:52 > Mildenberger moves to the back Ropes, and blocks while riding out the Round.
3:00 > 'Bell'

Round 7 > 'Even'

@Master...

What you mean? Bill has some reservations about my old mate Ali? I knew there was something alright about him! ;)

But no more wishing harm/death upon the guy Bill if that's what happened before... That shit ain't cool, he was still a great of the sport.

I will only trash his boxing performance LOL

In This Bout

Cassius Clay displayed lightning-fast movement.

But the guy just couldn't punch, and he missed with 80% of his punches.

Karl Mildenberger was only 194 lbs., and was a face-forward moving fighter
with absolutely no punch.

Still, the German Challenger was giving the Champion 'fits'.

~ Round 8 ~

0:02 > Both fighters meet at Center-Ring.
0:05 > Cassius immediately goes to circling to his right.
0:10 > Mildenberger stalks, and flicks right-jabs to the mid-section while moving forward.
0:18 > Cassius is now flicking out left-jabs.

0:27 > Cassius is now circling to his left, and is looking to target the cut under Mildenberger's right-eye.
0:30 > Mildenberger steps forward, and lands a fast 'right-left'.
0:33 > Cassius backs to the left-side Ring area.
0:38 > Cassis moves to the front-center ring area.

0:40 > Mildenberger sends in another right-jab.
0:45 > Mildenberger flicks in a 'triple' right-jab.
0:47 > Cassius is now leaning back with his hands down low to avoid the punches.
0:54 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring.

1:01 > Mildenberger lands with '2' sharp right-jabs.
1:02 > Cassius is 'not' punching back.
1:04 > Mildenberger socres with a good right to the body.
1:05 > Cassius counters with a left-jab.

1:08 > Mildenberger lands with a fast 'right-left'.
1:09 > Cassius moves to the front-center Ring area.
1:12 > Both trade jabs.
1:18 > Cassius starts circling to his left.

1:20 > Cassius starts flicking out left-jabs.
1:22 > Cassius 'misses' with a long left-hand.
1:26 > Mildenberger is still pressing forward, and is making the fight.
1:28 > Cassius moves to the left-side Ring area.

1:29 > Mildenberger moves in fast, and 'scores' with '2' right-hands to the body.
1:30 > Mildenberger follows up with a crushing straight left-hand on Cassius's chin.
1:31 > Cassius' head snaps sideways as he is driven into the front-left Corner.
1:32 > Mildenberger moves in, and adds in a short 'right-left'.

1:33 > Mildenberger is now going after the Champion.
1:35 > Cassius spins out 180*, and circles out of the Corner, and flicks out '2' left-jabs.
1:34 > Mildenberger moves to the front-left Ropes.
1:35 > Cassius flicks in '2' left-jabs.

1:40 > Mildenberger moves to the right-side Ring area as Cassius follows.
1:49 > Cassius moves back to Center-Ring, and scores with '3' light left-jabs as Mildenberger comes in.
1:51 > Mildenberger 'bobs-and-weaves' to avoid follow up jabs.
1:53 > Mildenberger sends out '3' measuring right-jabs.

1:54 > Cassius backs up to the back Ring area.
1:56 > Cassius sends out 'poking' left-jabs as he circles to left-side Center Ring.
2:00 > Mildenberger steps forward, and scores with a solid 'right-right-left' to the head.
2:01 > Cassius is driven into the left-side Ropes.

2:02 > Mildenberger moves in, and slams a solid left-hook into the right-side of the Champion's body.
2:04 > Mildenberger sends in a 'series-of-punches' into the Champion's head and body, who is now covering up.
2:07 > Cassius backs out to Center-Ring
2:08 > Cassius stops, and fires out with '8' left-jabs, while circling to his left, but most of the jabs 'miss'.

2:14 > Mildenberger continues to press forward aggressively.
2:17 > Cassius backs into the front-right Corner.
2:21 > Cassius fires out a straight right-hand lead to the head as Mildenberger comes barreling in.
2:22 > Mildenberger has his hands low as he is coming in.

2:24 > Cassius side-steps to his right, and whips in a 'crushing' left-hook to Mildenberger's chin.
2:25 > Mildenberger goes down on the seat of his pants to the right of the front-right Corner.
2:27 > Mildenberger is up at the '2-Count', and steps out towards Center-Ring.
2:34 > Referee - Teddy Waltham complete the 'Mandatory 8-Count'.

2:36 > Cassius moves towards Center-Ring from the front-left Corner.
2:37 > Cassius 'misses' with a big left-hook.
2:39 > Mildenberger comes charging in with '3' right-jabs, and backs the Champion up.
2:40 > Cassis is backed up to the front Ropes.

2:41 > Cassius circles out 180*, and backs up to Center-Ring.
2:42 > Mildenberger turns and pursues the Champion.
2:43 > Cassius fires out with a fast 'right-left'.
2:45 > Mildenberger counters with '3' fast right-jabs.

2:47 > Mildenberger presses forward with hands low again.
2:48 > Cassius backs up to the back-left Corner area.
2:50 > Cassius catches Mildenberger coming in with a hard left-hook to the chin.
2:50 > Mildenberger is 'stunned'.

2:51 > Cassius misses with a left-hook, but catches Mildenberger with a 'glancing' right-hand.
2:52 > Cassius misses with '2' left-hooks.
2:54 > Mildenberger is on the left-side back Ropes, and is bending low to avoid the punches.
2:55 > Cassius fires in with a hard 'left-right'.

2:56 > Cassius unloads with an '8-Punch' fast flurry, but most of the punches miss.
2:59 > Mildenberger is covering up well.
3:00 > 'Bell'

Round 8 > The Champion Cassius Clay by +2 Points.

~ Round 8 ~

At 2:25 of Round 8, Karl Mildenberger while pressing forward wth his hands down low, walks into a
wide left-hook from Champion - Cassius Clay.

The knockdown occurred while the Champion was backed up into the front-right Corner..

Karl Mildenberger bounced up at the '2-Count' and then received the Mandatory Count from
Referee - Teddy Waltham before continuing

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~ Comments After Round 8 ~

Howard Cosell >

"The Champion has yet to prove that he can punch. He's hit Mildenbeger with his
best left-hook, and he only had him down for 2-Seconds."

"And Cassius caught a groggy Mildenberger coming forward with a another big left-hook
on the other side of the Ring, and he couldn't drop him."
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Joe Louis >

"Clay is fast and cat-quick like a Jaquar, but his punches can't squash a Tomato. He best
start doing some wood-chopping after this bout."

"MIldenberger is walking straight in, and he does not have a great chin. And still, Clay
can't stop him."
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Max Schmeling >

"Mildenberger is putting up a much better fight than expected. But that's because the Champion
can't punch."

"Oh, Joe Louis is much better than this guy. Clay can't punch."
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Ingemar Johansson >

"Mildenberger is horrible, and he's staying even with Clay. If it wasn't for the '2 Knockdowns,
he'd be winning."

"Mildenberger does very well, right up until the last 20-Seconds of the Round. That's when the
Champion turns it on. You would think Mildenberger would learn and just box over the last
20-seconds instead of attacking with his hands down."

~ Round 9 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring and touch gloves.
0:04 > Cassius fires first with a left-jab.
0:08 > Both circle.
0:14 > Mildenberger counters with a quick right-jab to the mid-section.

0:17 > Cassius flicks in a left-jab.
0:22 > Mildenberger is stalking again.
0:26 > Cassius sends in a chopping left-hand to Mildenberger's left-eye.
0:29 > Mildenberger scores with '2' good right-hands to the body.

0:30 > Cassius backs up fast to the front-center Ring.
0:32 > Cassius flicks out '2' quick left-jabs.
0:34 > Cassius circles to his left 180*.
0:36 > Cassius is 'slapping' with his punches.

0:37 > Referee - Teddy Waltham warns Cassius for slapping.
0:40 > Cassius lands with a 'light' left-right.
0:41 > The fighters are both at Center-ring.
0:44 > Mildenberger is pressing, but he cannot get close enough to fire at the Champion.

0:54 > Mildenberger moves in fast, and scores with a good right-hand to the body.
1:00 > Cassius continues to flick out left-jabs.
1:09 > Mildenberger is moving well, and easily blocks most of the left-jabs coming in.
1:18 > Mildenberger fires in with '3' right-jabs, but they all come up short.

1:20 > Mildenberger lands with a good right-hand to the Champion's chin, snapping his head.
1:21 > The Waldstadion Stadium erupts with roars.
1:24 > Cassius has his hands low, and is leaning back to avoid the punches.
1:35 > Both fighters are now 'pawing' each other with jabs.

1:45 > Mildenberger steps forward, and scores with '2' good right-hands to the chin.
1:50 > Cassius slaps with a fast 'left-left-right', but the punches lack zip.
1:51 > Mildenberger lands with a '2' right-hands.
1:52 > Cassius moves to the back-left Ring area.

1:54 > Cassius moves to his left now.
1:57 > Cassius fires out with a fast 'left-left-right', but they all miss.
1:59 > Mildenberger counters with a 'stiff' right-hand to the face.
2:00 > Cassius moves to the front-right Corner.

2:04 > Cassius is now moving fast to his left.
2:12 > Cassius misses with a big sweeping right-hook.
2:20 > Mildenberger lands with '4' pecking right-jabs.
2:22 > Cassius misses again with a 'left-right'.

2:25 > Cassius moves to the left-side Ring area.
2:27 > Cassius lands with '2' fast left-jabs.
2:29 > Cassius circles to the front Ring area.
2:30 > Mildenberger catches Cassius with '2' right-jabs.
2:31 > Mildenberger comes back with a good left-hand to the body, and a solid right-hook to the chin that 'snaps' the Champion's head.

2:32 > Cassius back-pedals fast out to Center-Ring as the Waldstadion Stadium erupts with roars.
2:34 > Cassius is 'pushing' his punches out now, and has no zip behind them.
2:41 > Cassius lands a good left-jab to the Challenger's face.
2:51 > Mildenberger lands with a scoring right-jab to the mid-section.

2:52 > The fighters are at Center-Ring.
2:53 > Cassius digs in a left-hook to the body.
2:55 > Cassius fires away with a fast '5-Punch' combination, but they all glance of the Challenger.
2:56 > Cassius moves to the front Ring area.

2:57 > Mildenberger is 'bobbing' and avoids most of the punches.
2:58 > Cassius fires in with a right-hand, and again misses.
2:59 > Mildenberger counters with a right-hand.
3:00 > 'Bell'

Round 9 > Was clearly for Karl Mildenberger.

Referee - Teddy Waltham scored Round 9 for Karl Mildenberger.

~ Comments During Round 9 ~

Howard Cosell >
"Joe, Cassius really pummeled the Challenger at the end of Round 8. Why isn't he
finishing Mildenberger off."

Joe Louis >
{Laughing}. Because he doesn't have the killer instinct Howard. He can't get this guy
out of here. He's letting him hang around too long."

Howard Cosell >
"The Champ has yet to prove that he has a punch. Angelo told me after Round 5 that
Cassius would put him away in the 6th, and he couldn't."

Joe Louis >
"I would be worried if this guy had a chin, but Mildenberger doesn't. That is why I'm
still not convinced on Clay. He's fast, but he's missing with most of his punches. And this
guy walks straight in asking to be hit. It's kind of embarrassing."

Howard Cosell >
"Well, is the Champion weak Joe."

Joe Loius >
"Well, he ain't strong."
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~ Comments After Round 9 ~

Howard Cosell >
"How do you have it scored Joe. I have Cassius well ahead. With the '2' Knockdowns,
he's up by 5-Points on my Card."

Joe Louis >
"It's close Howard. Mildenberger won the last Round, and he's still annoying Clay with
those bird-pecking right-hands."

Howard Cosell >
"Are you saying you have the bout 'all even' Joe."

Joe Louis >
"I said it was close. I have Clay up by 1-Point."

~ Round 10 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring.
0:04 > Cassius moves to his right along the back Ring area.
0:08 > Cassius changes direction, and moves to his left.
0:10 > Mildenberger is 'stalking'.

0:15 > Both trade jabs at Center-Ring.
0:18 > Cassius sends in a chopping left-hand to the face.
0:19 > Mildenberger counters with a solid left-hand to the chest, which drives the Champion backwards.
0:20 > The Wladstadion Stadium erupts with 'roars'.

0:22 > Mildenberger lands with a 'solid' left to the Champion's jaw.
0:23 > Cassius wobbles backwards to the front-right Corner.
0:24 > Mildenberger moves in close.
0:26 > Cassius grabs and holds, and then spins out 180* to Center-Ring.

0:32 > Cassius is flicking out 'poking' left-jabs.
0:34 > Mildenberger counters with a left-hand lead to the chin.
0:39 > Cassius moves to the back Ring area.
0:43 > Mildenberger flicks in a double right-jab to the Champion's face.

0:45 > Cassius back-pedals along the right-side Ropes.
0:47 > Mildenberger sends in '2' straight right-hands into the Champion's chest.
0:48 > Mildenberger slams in a hard straight-left into the Champion's mid-section.
0:49 > Cassius's legs 'buckle', and he is hurt.

0:50 > The Waldsadion Stadium fans rise to their feet and erupt with 'roars'.
0:51 > Cassius backs up into the back-right Corner.
0:55 > Cassius circles to his left and 180*as Mldenberger moves in.
1:01 > Mildenberger is chasing the Champion as he circles 180* to the back-center Ring area.

1:07 > Mildenberger 'slips' to the canvas as he is moving in on the Champion.
1:09 > Cassius backs out to Center-Ring, and bides time by staying outside.
1:13 > Mildenberger sticks in a right to the chest.
1:17 > Mildenberger stays aggressive, and scores with a 'right-right'.

1:19 > Mildenberger lands with another 'good' left to the body.
1:22 > The Champion is 'flopping' around the Ring.
1:25 > Cassius misses with a 'big-swinging' right-hand.
1:26 > Mildenberger is completely dominating the Round.

1:27 > Mildenberger lands with a 'double' right-hand as he chases the Champion around the Ring.
1;28 > Mildenberger chases the Chanpion who now back-pedals to the back Ring area.
1:29 > Mldenerbger pushes out a straight right-hand to the chin.
1:30 > Cassius comes back with a 'right-hand slam' into the left-side of Mildenberger's head.

1:30 > This Round has the fastest action of the bout so far.
1:31 > Cassius lands with a left-jab, but misses with a follow-up left.
1:33 > Cassius moves to his left.
1:35 > Mildenberger connects with a 'double' right-hand.

1:37 > Cassius moves over to the right-side Ropes.
1:41 > Cassius spins off the Ropes, and races out to Center-Ring.
1:44 > Cassius scores with a fast 'left-right' to the Challenger's chin as he walks in with his hands low.
1:48 > Mildenberger lands with another right-hand.

1:50 > Cassius circles to his left, to the back Ring area.
1:51 > Cassius tries with a 'lazy' right-hand, but he looks arm-weary as there is 'nothing' on the punch.
1:53 > Cassius circles 180* to the front Ring area.
1:54 > Cassius is completely frustrated, as he backs up into the front Ropes.

1:57 > Mildenberger chugs forward, and digs '2' left-hooks into the left-side of the Champion.
1:59 > Mildenberger drapes his right-arm over the Champion's neck.
2:01 < Cassius backs out to Center-Ring.
2:02 > Cassius 'misses' with a wide right-hook.

2:04 > Cassius moves back to the back Ropes.
2:07 > Mildenberger pecks away with right jabs.
2:09 > Cassius slides to his left.
2:13 > Cassius fires in with a right-hook and left uppercut, both which graze the Challenger.

2:15 > Mildenberger is still pressing.
2:16 > Cassius moves to the front Ring area.
2:17 > Cassius moves over to the left-side Ring area.
2:18 > Cassius catches Mildenberger with a straight right-hand to the head.

2:19 > The Waldstadion Stadium crowd is gong wild as Mildenberer is still charging and punching.
2:20 > Mildenberger is now bleeding badly from a 'cut' under his left-eye.
2:21 > Cassius lands with a 'grazing' left-right, and backs up to the left-front Ropes.
2:22 > Mildenberger comes charging in.

2:22 > Cassius catches Mildenberger with a 'right-left' flush on the chin.
2:23 > Mildenberger stumbles face-first into the front-left Corner.
2:24 > Mldenberger is 'shaken', but turns to his right, and goes right back after the Champion.
2:25 > Cassius backs away to Center-Ring.

2:26 > Cassius lands a right-hand to Mildenberger's left-eye.
2:28 > Mildenberger 'paws' at his cut left-eye, and his right-eye is bleeding as well.
2:31 > Cassius 'misses' with a right-hand lead.
2:33 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring.

2:35 > Cassius lands with a 'slapping' left-right.
2:38 > Mildenberger is 'bobbing' and avoids the punches.
2:39 > Mildenberger 'paws' with '3' right-jabs.
2:40 > Cassius backs up to the front Ropes.

2:42 > Cassius is slow with a 'right-left-right'.
2:45 > Cassius moves out to Center-Ring.
2:48 > Mildenberger is 'pawing' with slow right-hands.
2:50 > Cassius steps in, and catches Mildenberger with a perfect straight right-hand to the chin.

2:51 > Mildenberger goes down on his back, but does a reverse-roll and ends up near the front-left Ropes.
2:56 > The Challenger pulls himself up at the '5-Count'.
2:59 > Referee - Teddy Waltham completes the 'Mandatory 8-Count', with Mildenberger standing near the left-side Ropes.
3:00 > 'Bell'

Round 10 ...... Cassius Clay

~ Round 10 ~

Without a doubt, the 'Round of the Year' in the Heavyweight Division.

The Challenger dominated nearly the entire Round, as Karl Mildenberger was
chasing Cassius Clay out of the Waldstadion Stadium.

Mildenberger was pressuring the Champion while hitting him with everything he threw.

The Challenger was wildy-aggressive and had the Waldstadion fans in a frenzy by
the 2:10 Mark.

But Mildenberger was coming straight in and wide-open, and walked into a 'lucky'
right-left to the chin at the {2:20 Mark} as he had backed the Champion up near
the left-side Ropes.

Mildenberger fell face-first into the front-left Corner, but despite being 'shaken', he
went right back after the Champion with right-hands.

The Champion fired back, but was missing with everything, despite the Challenger
walking straight in. The Champion looked arm-weary as he fired away.

Then Mildenberger moved the Champion to Center-Ring with pawing right-hands,
but he was leaving himself wide-open for a counter straight right-hand.

Then it happened, at the {2:51 Mark}, the Champion 'closed-his-eyes' and threw a
straight right-hand down 'Broadway' as the Challenger was walking in.

The punch landed on the 'point' of Mildenberger's chin.

Karl went down on his back, and did a reverse-roll and ended up near the front-left
Ropes.

He struggled up at the '5-Count' and was ready to go after the Referee - Teddy Waltham
completed the 'Mandatory 8-Count' as the 'Bell' sounded ending Round 10.

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Originally Posted by Master

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jcQbAimkU

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Round 10 begins around the 36-minute mark. I like how Howard Cosell basically called the knockdown just before it happened, remarking how Mildenberger was vulnerable to the straight right hand, and..... BOOM!!

If this whole thread, riveting as it is, is meant as criticism toward Ali, I don't get it. He went to Germany to face a tough, ranked contender, and knocked him out. The same fighter who later on went the distance with tough, rugged Oscar Bonavena.

~ Round 10 ~

Karl Mildenberger down at {2:51} of Round 10.

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~ Some Odd-Ball Sports Reporter's Scoring ~

After 10-Rounds

New York Post 'Sports Reporter' Milton Richman did 'not' score a single Round for
Karl Mildenberger thru 10-Rounds. He had the Champion up 10-0-0 in Rounds,
and 12-0 in Points.

Howard Cosell had it {7-2-1} after 10-Rounds, and had Cassius up 10-3 in Points,
though 'Howie the Shill' did change his Scorecard 'twice' during announcing the bout.

The UPI {United Press International} had it {7-0-3} in Rounds.

'Stars and Stripes' had the Champion ahead {8-0-2} in Rounds.

The AP {Associated Press} had the Champion ahead {9-1-0} in Rounds.

;) Oh well, at least it was used as a good training session for Ali, he got to build some rounds without any danger to himself was a good move to use it like a sparring session and do round building once he realized there was no real threat.:)

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Originally Posted by Andre

;) Oh well, at least it was used as a good training session for Ali, he got to build some rounds without any danger to himself was a good move to use it like a sparring session and do round building once he realized there was no real threat.:)

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'Milde'

Was a decent boxer with fairly good hand-speed. Though he was a southpaw, he positioned
himself with a 'squared up stance' and was open for straight right-hand leads.

'Milde' had a flicking quick right-jab, but he had no power at all.

As for size, 'Milde' stood at 6' 1 1/2" and had a 74" Reach, and weighed only 194 lbs.

He was not a big Heavyweight, and was not overly strong or physical.

Defensively, he was below-average, despite having a good bob-and-weave style.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Andre

;) Oh well, at least it was used as a good training session for Ali, he got to build some rounds without any danger to himself was a good move to use it like a sparring session and do round building once he realized there was no real threat.:)

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'Milde'

Was a decent boxer with fairly good hand-speed. Though he was a southpaw, he positioned
himself with a 'squared up stance' and was open for straight right-hand leads.

'Milde' had a flicking quick right-jab, but he had no power at all.

As for size, 'Milde' stood at 6' 1 1/2" and had a 74" Reach, and weighed only 194 lbs.

He was not a big Heavyweight, and was not overly strong or physical.

Defensively, he was below-average, despite having a good bob-and-weave style.

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Yeah perfect to build a few rounds up sparring for Ali. Why the 11 pages on it ? We going for the record of most pages on a non event? ;D

~ Max Schmeling ~

Comparing Cassius Clay to Joe Louis, after watching Cassius struggle with Karl Mildenbger.

"Simply put, Joe would kill Clay."

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

~ Max Schmeling ~

Comparing Cassius Clay to Joe Louis, after watching Cassius struggle with Karl Mildenbger.

"Simply put, Joe would kill Clay."

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Yes because Joe Louis fought exactly like Karl Mildenberger. :rolleyes:

~ Round 11 ~

0:02 > Both meet at Center-Ring.
0:03 > Mildenberger still looks be OK.
0:07 > Mildenberger starts to move to his right.
0:08 > Cassius has his hands up high.

0:11 > Mildenberger is 'pawing' at his left-eye, which is cut badly.
0:14 > Cassius flicks in '5' quick left-jabs, targeting the Challenge's left-eye.
0:25 > Both are circling at Center-Ring.
0:29 > Mildenberger is pressing, and is making the fight now.

0:32 > Cassius moves to the back Ropes.
0:36 > Cassis circles 180*, and backs to Center-Ring while poking the Challenger with '2' left-jabs.
0:39 > Mildenberger counters with '2' right-jabs.
0:41 > Mildenberger catches the Champion with a sharp right-hook under the chin.

0:42 > Cassius is driven into the front-left Corner.
0:43 > Cassius grabs Mildenberger, and clinches.
0:45 > Cassius spins out 180*, and backs out to Center-Ring.
0:47 > Mildenberger catches the Champion with a 'jarring' right to the chin.

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0:50 > Cassius fires in a 'left-right'.
0:52 > Cassius backs up to the back-right Ring area.
0:56 > Cassius moves into the back-right Corner.
0:57 > Mildenberger flicks in '3' right-jabs to the head.

0:58 > Mildenberger is now sporting a large welt under the left-eye.
0:59 > Cassius circles out to his left and to Center-Ring.
1:00 > Mildenberger catches the Champion with a big sweeping left-hook to the chin.
1:04 > Cassius flings out '5' fast left-jabs, but only '1' lands.

1:08 > Cassius circles to his left 360*.
1:12 > Mildenberger has problems seeing out of his left-eye.
1:15 > Cassius sends in a good left-jab to the Challenger's left-eye.
1:22 > Mildenberger steps in, and lands a solid 'double' right to the Champion's body.

1:24 > Mildenberger lands with a 'right-left' as he walks straight into the Champion.
1:26 > Cassius counters with a left-hook.
1:28 > Both fighters move to Center-Ring.
1:30 > Cassius backs up to the back Ropes.

1:32 > Mildenberger is still pressing.
1:38 > Cassius left-jabs at the Challenger's eye's.
1:41 > Both fighters are now at Center-Ring.
1:43 > The Champion has the look of 'frustration' that he cannot stop the Challenger.

1:50 > Mildenberger steps forward, and lands with a light 'double' right-jab.
1:52 > Cassius is backing up again.
1:54 > Mildenberger is showing courage and determination.
1:55 > Mildenberger is forcing the fight.

1:59 > Cassius tries with '2' left-uppercuts as Mildenberger comes forward.
2:00 > Mildenberger counters with an overhand-left to the head.
2:02 > Mildenberger follows up with '2' right-jabs to the face.
2:04 > Cassius circles to he left 360*.

2:06 > Cassius can't keep the Challenger off of him.
2:08 > Cassius tries to grab the Challenger as he moves in close.
2:09 > Mildenberger digs in with a 'left-right-left' to the body.
2:11 > Cassius slides over to the left-side Ring area.

2:15 > Both miss with left-hooks.
2:17 > Cassius moves to the back Ring area.
2:18 > Cassius lands with a good left-jab to the eye area.
2:19 > Mildenberger counters with a fast 'right-right-left', but the punches lack any zip.

2:25 > Both fighters are at Center-Ring, and are circling each other.
2:26 > Cassius lands with a left-jab to the head.
2:29 > Mildenberger scores with a right to the body.
2:31 > Both are at Center-Ring.

2:34 > The Champion flicks in a back-handed left-jab with an open-glove.
2:36 > Referee - Teddy Waltham steps in, and warns the Champion for the 'open-glove' punch.

2:40 > Mldenberger moves inside, and scores with a 'right-left'.
2:42 > Cassius starts circling again.
2:48 > There is a 'lull' in the action.
2:50 > Cassius has 'nothing' on his punches.

2:54 > Mildenberger goes back to pressing forward.
2:57 > Cassius moves to the front Ring area.
2:56 > Cassius 'misses' with '2' left-uppercuts.
3:00 > 'Bell'

Round 11 > Clearly for Karl Mildenberger.

~ Comments after Round 11 ~

Howard Cosell >
"The Champion is going to have a lot of explaining to do after this fight. He has a
hurt fighter in front of him, and he cannot put him away. What do you think Joe."

Joe Louis >
"This Mildenberger is tough, but he's wide open for the straight right-hand. There
is no quit in him, and he can hardly see out if his left eye. But this man has a lot
of courage and determination. He wants to win, just not survive."

Howard Cosell >
"But he's had Mildenberger down '3' times in this fight Joe, and he cannot keep him
down. He looks completely frustrated."

Joe Louis >
"He can't punch Howard."
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Max Schmeling >
"That's another Round for Karl. He's losing, but he's still in the fight. Clay is good, but
he has not impressed me all that much."

"If Karl had a punch, he may have ended this fight in that Round. I'm shocked. Is this
Clay easy to hit or what."
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Ingemar Johansson >
"This is funny. I would have ended this bout a long long time ago. Karl's chin is not that
strong. Clay can't break-an-egg."

"This is making me think about coming back."

Racist US boxing writers came up with this against Joe Louis: America's white press began promoting Louis' image in the context of the era's racism; nicknames they created included the "Mahogany Mauler", "Chocolate Chopper", "Coffee-Colored KO King", "Safari Sandman", and one that stuck: "The Brown Bomber".

Ali had a number of weaknesses as a fighter. He did not have an orthodox style and never learned the rudiments of classical boxing. Ali made many tactical errors in the ring. Ali did not know how to properly hold his hands, or how to duck (he pulled back or sidestepped), nor did he know how to parry or to block a jab!

Ken Norton’s trainer Eddie Futch said, (Anderson pg. 233), “The jab was a big reason Muhammad Ali never figured out why he had so much trouble with Ken Norton in their three fights.”

Joe Louis said of Ali in his autobiography (Louis p 260), “Ali’s a great fighter, (but) he made too many mistakes, his hands are down a lot, and he takes too many punches to the body. I know what I’m talking about.”

Scorecards thru Round 11 ~


Round......Referee - Teddy Waltham.........Judge - Nat Fleischer..........Judge - Felix Ohlert.........Expert - Bill Paxtom
1......................... Clay ..................................... Clay ................................ Clay .............................. Clay .................
2......................... 'Even' .................................. Clay ................................ 'Even' ............................ Mildenberger ....
3......................... Mildenberger ........................ Mildenberger .................. Mildenberger .................. Mildenberger ....
4......................... Clay ..................................... Mildenberger .................. Mildenberger .................. Mildenberger ....
5......................... Clay {+1} ............................ Clay ............................... Clay ............................... Clay .................
6......................... Clay ..................................... Clay ............................... Clay ............................... Clay ................
7......................... Clay ..................................... Clay ............................... Clay ............................... 'Even' ..............
8......................... Clay {+1} ............................ Clay {+1} ....................... Clay {+1} ....................... Clay {+1} .......
9......................... Mildenberger ........................ Clay ............................... 'Even' ............................. Mildenberger ....
10....................... Clay {+1} ............................ Clay {+1} ....................... Clay {+1} ....................... Clay {+1} ........
11....................... 'Even' .................................. Mildenberger .................. Mildenberger ................... Mildenberger ....

Round............. Joe Louis ......................... Max Schmeling.................... 'Stars and Stripes' ............... 'UPI'...............
1........................ Clay ................................ 'Even' .................................. Clay................................. Clay ...............
2........................ 'Even' ......... ................... Mildenberger ........................ 'Even' .............................. Clay ...............
3........................ Mildenberger ................... Mildenberger ........................ 'Even' ............................. 'Even' .............
4........................ Mildenberger ................... Mildenberger ........................ Clay ............................... 'Even' .............
5........................ Clay {+1} ........................ Clay {+1} ............................ Clay ................................ Clay ...............
6........................ Clay ................................. Clay .................................... Clay ................................ Clay ..............
7........................ 'Even' .............................. 'Even' .................................. Clay ................................ Clay ..............
8........................ Clay {+1} ........................ Clay {+1} ............................ Clay {+1} ....................... Clay {+1} ......
9........................ Mildenberger .................... Mildenberger ....................... Clay ............................... 'Even ' ............
10...................... Clay {+1} ......................... Clay {+1} ........................... Clay {+1} ....................... Clay {+1} ......
11...................... Mildenberger .................... Mildenberger ....................... Mildenberger ................... 'Even' ............

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

~ Max Schmeling ~

Comparing Cassius Clay to Joe Louis, after watching Cassius struggle with Karl Mildenbger.

"Simply put, Joe would kill Clay."

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Yes because Joe Louis fought exactly like Karl Mildenberger. :rolleyes:

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I think that was the point @Master..

That he would have been in deep water against Louis if he struggled so badly with featherfist cruiser Mildenberger.

I don't agree. I mean the best Joe Louis might have beaten the young 60's "PRIME" if you will Clay. But Louis could not have beaten the stronger 70's version no way.

Imo even the young Clay, up on his toes running around, would have done a paint job on stiff necked, concrete boots Louis.