Alright....so peace will reign when Le Pen is elected, good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Alright....so peace will reign when Le Pen is elected, good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Great news for the working people of the UK, I hope this starts a trend and the rest of the West, including America break free of the Globalist's.
The shares and pound are back to where they were before the referendum.
Panic over.
Lets get the country united and running again.
That isn't true. The pound RIGHT NOW is trading at the spot rate at $1.345 USD. but before the referendum, it was at $1.48 USD. that is still quite a bit lower than what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It is rising, now stop disagreeing with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustThat isn't true. The pound RIGHT NOW is trading at the spot rate at $1.345 USD. but before the referendum, it was at $1.48 USD. that is still quite a bit lower than what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You are correct it is rising today - currently up by 0.02% today. A fair amount to go to gain back the nearly double digit % drop that we had going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is rising, now stop disagreeing with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustThat isn't true. The pound RIGHT NOW is trading at the spot rate at $1.345 USD. but before the referendum, it was at $1.48 USD. that is still quite a bit lower than what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It will get there eventually. Have we had world war 3? NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunYou are correct it is rising today - currently up by 0.02% today. A fair amount to go to gain back the nearly double digit % drop that we had going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is rising, now stop disagreeing with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustThat isn't true. The pound RIGHT NOW is trading at the spot rate at $1.345 USD. but before the referendum, it was at $1.48 USD. that is still quite a bit lower than what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Boris has now announced he will not stand for leadership, I bet Cameron must want to strangle the fat blond buffoon.
Let's wait maybe a year and see where the economy, currency and stock market is. What happens a day or a week after isn'r relevant. Wait to see how things shake out and look in six/twelve months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Here's a scenario for you. Over the next six/twelve months tons of big firms and big financial firms/banks say if the new PM doesn't sort out access to the single market they'll fuck off elsewhere. The economy falls off anyway to an almost standstill or maybe even tips into a recession. Lots of investment is put on hold, projects cancelled, that sort of thing.
The EU tell us that unless we allow freedom of movement of EU people (the same uncontrolled immigration we have now) we don't get access to the single market. The government huff and puff but the EU don't budge. The eventual deal we negotiate includes freedom of movement of EU citizens. The EU kindly give us the option of scrapping the whole thing and just remaining a member -- they'll be under pressure from referenda and nationalist governments elsewhere, not to mention ongoing immigration/economic/currency disasters, so they'll be desperate for a victory to stop the one-way bad news and put a crimp in breakaway movements in other EU countries.
We get a second referendum with a choice between the new deal and staying in anyway. Basically immigration as an issue taken off the table. With a backdrop of a poor economy and loads of businesses threatening to fuck off we vote to stay in.
This seems to me at least as likely as us staying in. Maybe the EU make some small concessions on immigration as well to knock the edge off the leave vote here and elsewhere. Maybe the other odd variation, but this is something we well might see happen.
What you don't understand is that you grew up in a febrile atmosphere of people still upset they lost the civil war and with an undercurrent of rebellion against the government in Washington. The idea that there might be a huge bunch of people pick up their weapons and try to overthrow the government isn't abstract nuttery to you, it's a genuine cultural touchstone.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAlright....so peace will reign when Le Pen is elected, good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Over here in civilisation you can sometimes go years without having a conversation about how tyrannical the government is and wouldn't it be a good idea to have an armed rebellion. People over here just aren't a bad hair day away from picking up the gun they don't have and marching on the capital.
Wow you are more out of touch than I thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat you don't understand is that you grew up in a febrile atmosphere of people still upset they lost the civil war and with an undercurrent of rebellion against the government in Washington. The idea that there might be a huge bunch of people pick up their weapons and try to overthrow the government isn't abstract nuttery to you, it's a genuine cultural touchstone.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAlright....so peace will reign when Le Pen is elected, good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Over here in civilisation you can sometimes go years without having a conversation about how tyrannical the government is and wouldn't it be a good idea to have an armed rebellion. People over here just aren't a bad hair day away from picking up the gun they don't have and marching on the capital.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson wasn't up to the job - what a cunt.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson wasn't up to the job - BBC News
He comes from a party full of them. He is probably one of the worst though. He has destroyed the education system. It will be no coincidence that the rush to privatise that will be replaced by the rush to continue privatising the NHS under him if he gets the nod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
How do the Tories not come out so bad in any of this? Yet Corbyn is facing a full on revolt over nothing more than doing an excellent job for 9 months. It all just looks insane and you have to seriously worry about the motivations, sanity, and reasoning of every one involved in politics, except for Corbyn and the few reliable people he has around him.
Labour membership is up 60,000 in a week. More than doubled in a year. People clearly want Corbyn and the snakes just don't want to listen or hear. Good, resign all of you. Go and join the Tories or form the War Criminal Mafia Alliance or whatever it is you are into, but you are the problem and you are in the wrong party. Blair was the aberration and you are either going to learn that or face oblivion. If Corbyn goes, then Labour goes too.
Its like the Tories have dodged a bullet. You can't make this shit up. "Its all corbyn's fault."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Pfffffffft.
Because this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
That sounds more conspiracy theorist than Alex Jones and his tinfoil hat, mate. "Planned a long time ago"? Who planned it on the poor Sheeple, mate? The Illuminati? Fuck, Beanz, don't be so wishy washy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The revolt was planned a long time ago but you won't hear much about it in the mainstream news. I have been moaning about the media and their treatment of Corbyn for months. This rebellion is a planned one and none of their justifications make any sense. Corbyn is extremely popular. The media doesn't have the effect it think it has. People know the truth and what the fear machine is now.
I know that. We always knew it. But now when it fits others' agendas it is suddenly not tinfoil at all but quite, quite common sense. Had Jones said it, well, ya know, .....rather inconvenient wouldn't it have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Oh, for sure. Alex Jones is always a crackpot and that just doesn't wash anymore. The alternative views are out of the bottle now and you see with the referendum fear failing and the inability to demonise Trump that the old media doesn't work anymore. Fingers crossed Corbyn can stick this out and the Brits can see through and resist the nonsense. Corbyn would be the best thing to happen to the UK since defeating Hitler. It's that important and that's what it's all about. They cannot stand the prospect of an end to neo liberalism and a return to proper 'fuddy duddy' values.
I think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Are you guys in the same boat as we. Election or campaign or work your way up the ladder politicians spout out some great ideas but when in office its usually status quo. The us stock market gained back almost all the loses since the brexit vote which I didn't think would happen so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Probably happened because Brexit was a charade and people are realising the UK will take years to leave if ever. A bit like what happened in Greece maybe. They should leave but I will believe it when I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusAre you guys in the same boat as we. Election or campaign or work your way up the ladder politicians spout out some great ideas but when in office its usually status quo. The us stock market gained back almost all the loses since the brexit vote which I didn't think would happen so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
It will take 2 years to leave and it will not be total, a deal will be made.
Huntington bank that bought out the company I work for took a hit due to Brexit. So sad, but you nailed it on status quo politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusAre you guys in the same boat as we. Election or campaign or work your way up the ladder politicians spout out some great ideas but when in office its usually status quo. The us stock market gained back almost all the loses since the brexit vote which I didn't think would happen so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI really hope you are right but he has the Blairites, right wing media, Labour voters that went to UKIP and snp, and moderate tories to win over and I can not a see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are wrong on this mate. Nye Bevan was correct years ago when he said "the right wing of the Labour Party would rather see it fall into perpetual decline than abide by its democratic decisions.” Don't let them fool you. Benn and Hodge etc have nowhere near the support that Corbyn does among the electorate willing and likely to vote at a general election. It is not coincidence that the Blairites spend more time writing newspaper columns then campaigning and that the turnout in their constituencies to support the remain campaign was so low. It is only under him that the scapegoating of migrants, something that has even become rampant on this forum and the rise of racism would be addressed. My friends kids were asked the day after the result "when are you going home?" (mixed race) and the Polish Center which has been in Plymouth for over 100 years has had "Go home Vermin" sprayed over it in the last few days. It's not a game for those of us living in the UK and the Labour supporters that are part and parcel of the problem with the same thinking would not vote for Labour anyway unless they became so right wing that you may as well vote Lib Dem or Tory. The fact is the Tories have moved so far to the right that only a radical left position as occupied by Corbyn would re balance the situation and repair some of the damage done. I was at an FE college last week and my friend who teaches there asked his students who they would vote for in an election and the overwhelming majority said Corbyn. The next generation want change and he is offering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Corbyn will not win Labour the general election and for the party he must stand down because the people we need to vote for the party will not vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBecause this was a revolt planned a long time ago. The media are a massive part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
They were protesting in London about leaving the EU, pity they never protested when the Tory's got back in wankers.
the tories have dodged a bullet....bwahahaha :yay2::dancer::domo-kun::cheerleader::Bannanacow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Strange bunch protesting about leaving the EU ! the Tory's are more damaging than the EU but they do nothing.
They blame people were miss lead rubbish they ignored immigration simple, they have to remember uncontrolled immigration has ruined our community.
People are not thick this has been extremely damaging to our culture and our way of life.
Enough was enough we don't have housing or infrastructure go to Wrexham AAE on a weekend see how many pissed up EU immigrants they are dealing with.
I have friends working in AAE and ambulance crew.
Not BS all true so given the chance Wrexham area voted to leave.
It is very strange. It seems to be middle class/'educated' young people who are most upset about the referendum. Maybe they will think differently after they get a few years in the real world. It's easy to be a social justice warrior when you are unmarried and still living with your parents after a semester studying sociology.
Well put Miles the real World is a nasty place after they have returned backpacking around the World.!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Paid for by Mummy and Daddy because 3 years of being pissed, and attending 5 or 6 lesson's a week does take it out of one.
Yes students will there high morality and there organic fair trade under wear, do really make me sick.
A taste of life working paying you way, brings people to reality.
How dare anyone fuck up Hollies future!!!
She's an independent women who wants to do it herself god dammit!
I was in a London A&E on Friday night with a family member. It was a complete and utter fucking joke with the amount of piss heads, druggies and time wasters. In the four/five hours I was there it was packed to the rafters constanly (literally hundreds of people).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I heard a few English speakers.
Hahaha!! Rich you are nailing it hard there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWell put Miles the real World is a nasty place after they have returned backpacking around the World.!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Paid for by Mummy and Daddy because 3 years of being pissed, and attending 5 or 6 lesson's a week does take it out of one.
Yes students will there high morality and there organic fair trade under wear, do really make me sick.
A taste of life working paying you way, brings people to reality.
Even worse here in NYCQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterI was in a London A&E on Friday night with a family member. It was a complete and utter fucking joke with the amount of piss heads, druggies and time wasters. In the four/five hours I was there it was packed to the rafters constanly (literally hundreds of people).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I heard a few English speakers.
As I predicted 2 years ago, THE TIDE HAS TURNED.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
A dead head education lacking common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Up north typical of that breed leaving the EU came down to immigration NO party would deal with the subject.!
It was left to the people who voted out, three hundred thousand immigrants every year plus illegal one's far to many.
Posh middle class ass hole's telling others how it is, I hope she does not choke on here main course in Ramsey's heaven forbid.
The EU is like a party full of gate crashers , nobody to take responsibility and nobody in charge.!
Unwanted guests simple.!!!!