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Originally Posted by ICB
It was me and you're talking about a 20 yr old Ali had hadn't even entered his prime yet. But the real question is...was he beaten? No he wasn't.
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Originally Posted by ICB
It was me and you're talking about a 20 yr old Ali had hadn't even entered his prime yet. But the real question is...was he beaten? No he wasn't.
Shavers was working for entire 3 minutes of the round where as Ali was fighting in spurts, i thought Shavers clearly won there fight by about 2 points. Well its not like Ali was that green when he fought Cooper, Jones, because shortly after these fights he did go on to beat Liston in one of his finest performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatThe fight with Shavers was close, could have gone either way lots of close rounds but that was an older Ali and he had already delivered his last great hurrah. Same with Jones and Cooper.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
And fighters legacies aren't defined by fights fought before they won the title. Roland Lastarza by many accounts beat Marciano when they fought before Marciano won the title but it does nothing to Rocky's legacy nor should it.
He wasn't that far from his prime because he fought both Cooper and Jones in 63, and in just less than a year after his fight with Cooper he beat Liston in one of his finest performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
It was me and you're talking about a 20 yr old Ali had hadn't even entered his prime yet. But the real question is...was he beaten? No he wasn't.
The only one who you have seen ?? most of the ring side reporters had Young winning the Ali fight and majority of the boxing fans i know thinks Young won there fight as well. Yes Ali was overweight and he looked like crap, but that still doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a gift. And you can't be serious regarding Norton vs Ali 3 ?? thats one of the most controversial fights in history, and to say Ali won that hands down is just silly Daxx IMO not trying to be rude here by the way, when it is considered by most boxing fans that there 3rd fight is much more controversial than there 2nd meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnThe second Norton fight was close but I still give it to Ali and the third Ali won hands down....Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Your the only one I ever heard say Ali lost to Jimmy Young
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Originally Posted by ICBThe only one who you have seen ?? most of the ring side reporters had Young winning the Ali fight and majority of the boxing fans i know thinks Young won there fight as well. Yes Ali was overweight and he looked like crap, but that still doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a gift. And you can't be serious regarding Norton vs Ali 3 ?? thats one of the most controversial fights in history, and to say Ali won that hands down is just silly Daxx IMO not trying to be rude here by the way, when it is considered by most boxing fans that there 3rd fight is much more controversial than there 2nd meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnThe second Norton fight was close but I still give it to Ali and the third Ali won hands down....Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Your the only one I ever heard say Ali lost to Jimmy Young
I had Ali winning all 3 of those...Just my Opp
Thats interesting Daxx did you have Leonard beating Hagler ?? just out of curiosity i just want to see how you score fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBThe only one who you have seen ?? most of the ring side reporters had Young winning the Ali fight and majority of the boxing fans i know thinks Young won there fight as well. Yes Ali was overweight and he looked like crap, but that still doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a gift. And you can't be serious regarding Norton vs Ali 3 ?? thats one of the most controversial fights in history, and to say Ali won that hands down is just silly Daxx IMO not trying to be rude here by the way, when it is considered by most boxing fans that there 3rd fight is much more controversial than there 2nd meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I had Ali winning all 3 of those...Just my Opp
ATG?.. No.
I have him behind SRR.
I have him behind, SRR, Armstrong, Pep, and you could make a case for others but guys like Greb etc, i don't really know enough about to make a real strong argument, but some people even say Sam Langford is the greatest P4P fighter of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
I have this awful image now of Vd banging on the enter key with his protruberence ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseOh I agree. Spicoli the homie. But he taking this neg repQuote:
Originally Posted by LyleQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
....ok, that was totally gay
For me 1-Rocky Marciano 2-Muhammad Ali 3-Mike Tyson,Peace.
I rate Ali the best heavyweight
Johnson would be second
With Louis 3rd
I dont know how people can come out and say Ali was not a great, just plain ignorance if you ask me, but there you go, everyones aloud thier own opinions and MOTIVES.
1)ALI
2)LOUIS
3)JACK
4)HOLMES
5)hOLYFIELD
6)LEWIS
7)FOREMAN
9)LISTON
10) TYSON
ROCKY MARCIANO'S NOT EVEN IN MY TOP 10 BUT THERE YOU GO, ITS MY OPINION AND THATS JUST HEAVYWEIGHTS. IF IT WAS ALL WEIGHT DIVISIONS I WOULDNT HAVE HIM IN THE TOP 20!!
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Ali always fought his best against agressive boxers.
Louis while a devistating puncher had slow footwork and would struggle to catch up with Ali.
Look at the trouble he had with Billy Conn and he was a small light heavyweight.
Also Louis's chin was not the best and he could be hurt.
Ali would stop Louis somtime after 10 rounds.
As for Marciano,get real.There is no way a crude (but very strong) slugger could beat the fastest HW ever.
I cant even think of a chain of events that could lead to a Marciano win.:confused:
Can you??????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????
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Originally Posted by MIKAY
Good list.
Holmes quite often gets overlooked when talking about the great HWs.
What Jack do you mean?
Johnson or Dempsey?
He did, it was just stricken from the records, Britkid had all the proof ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle....Rocky NEVER LOST....Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
My feelings on Marciano are he could conceivably be the greatest, but there is no way I would ever rate him anywhere near the top because his opposition was the worst of any long reigning champ in heavyweight history (including Joe Louis). Seriously look age of the only names on his resume, and the records of the other guys he fought.
Can't hold that against him too much becuase very few heavyweights in history fought great opposition, I would suggest the following guys fought the best opposition (in their prime and not in order)
Frazier
Foreman
Ali
Lewis
Holyfield