Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]

Klitchko wins.....dissappointment is understandable, but the guy is doing his job, as much of the blame has to be put on these opponets as well. The tiger had no buisness in the ring with klitchko, he wasn't exceptionally good in really any area, he threw bombs at the body that i thought would eventually get to klitscho but he just brushed them off. As long as he continues to beat the people set in front of him that's all he required to do. Do people want to see someone's head blow up everyfight maybe so, but there's a sport for those people now (mma etc), I don't have a problem with him at all, he's not threatned in the ring against these guys, sure he could do more and be more dramatic but winning is the ultimate goal in this sport and he's making a pretty decent career doing so......i did ask myself a couple of times watching this fight how haye would fare, hard to tell though cause i think he fights these chumps at one level and would have no choice but to look good against haye. Klitchko is going for the rounds these days...not the Ko. Nothing wrong with that imo......

I don't have a problem with what Piye said, but how he said it certainly lacks political correctness. If you read the post, however, there is some valid analysis of Wlad's style that certainly annoys many fans. Wlad holds so much that his fights are sometimes frustrating to watch.

I actually missed the fight (yeah... I keep watching heavyweights in hopes a good fight breaks out one day), but I've read through this thread and I doubt the fight itself had better exchanges.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Lyle Id love it if he was sensational every time I think He is a teriffic Role model as a Person, but as a Fighter He isnt getting any better.

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But see that's what I'm getting at NO fighter is sensational EVERYTIME!

Not Ali, not Tyson, not Holyfield, not Lewis, not Louis, not Rocky, not anyone....so let's stop acting like Wlad could KO everyone in one round in some manic flurry of punches, it's not his style and honestly it's a bit strange that everyone expects something different from him considering how deep into his career he is so what I am saying is he's good enough to be #1 right now and people had better appreciate his skill because he does have a lot of skill you have to have skill to fight at his level and not just win but win by KO.

No one is saying Wlad is top 10 All-Time or anything....I'm being honest when I say it was an exciting fight and perhaps it's because I saw different things than you. Usually when Wlad gets hit he goes down or hangs on for dear life but this time he took some solid shots and it didn't bother him....this time he saw an opening vs a southpaw and took his chances...this time he threw the right cross earlier and went to the body and used the left hook. I saw subtle differences and changes in Wlad's game but all in all I think he became a better fighter tonight and hell maybe we'll see him do what everyone wants him to do next time but let's first understand he was fighting a big southpaw who had never been KO'd before and Wlad stopped him. Sure he made mistakes but there are rarely PERFECT FIGHTS...Wlad is a good fighter and a good champion he can eventually become great seeing how he's 32 and 51(45 KO)-3...that's a win better than Tyson's whole career!

People have changed what they expect from fighters based on the times...with Ali they wanted pure boxing flurries of punches, Tyson raw power and big KO's, Holyfield work ethic and heart, Lewis boxing and power and now that's not good enough for Wlad to box or for Wlad to KO someone....it misses a certain I don't know what and no one has defined what they want to see from him OR who could beat him (other than the Haye fans who remind me of the Toney fans of a couple years ago).


People hate on Wlad for a reason they don't like that he's some street thug who doesn't care about himself or his brain....OR they don't like that he's not Lennox Lewis which honestly I think is a big issue. People saw Lennox didn't get immediate respect and that was a shame but the same thing is happening to Wlad right now and it's shitty.

Respect him while he's here because the division without him......it's bleaker than you could ever imagine

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Again I agree we have to respect wlad. He is not the best heavy champ i've ever seen by a long stretch but until someone ignites the heavy division (hopefully Haye) he is the best out there and has proven it and however dire the division is imagine what it would be like if we did not have someone who we could without much doubt say "he's the man to beat". Another thing I like about Wlad is he is reasonibly active I mean he will probably have 3 defences in 2008 how often in recent years have we seen that?

This is the report of the fight on Fightnews.com

IBF/WBO/IBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko (51-3, 45 KOs) scored an eleventh round KO over tough, awkward Tony "The Tiger" Thompson (31-2, 19 KOs) to defend his belts on Saturday night at the Color Line Arena in Hamburg, Germany. After a slow first round, Klitschko began to connect with his right hand in round two, a round in which both fighters were cut by a headbutt. Klitschko continued to headhunt while Thompson started having good results to the body in the fourth. By round seven, Klitschko seemed to be breaking down Thompson, who was once Wlad's sparring partner and seemed to be reverting to that mode as the fight went on. Thompson got up gingerly after both fighters got tangled up and went down to the canvas in the tenth. An animated Klitschko finally dropped Thompson for the count in the eleventh with a spectacular right hand. Time was 1:22. Next up for Klitschko will be a defense against Alexander Povetkin later this year.

That, whether you like it or not is the kind of thing that will be written in history books. It doesn't say anything really about how poor a fight it was or how gay they are or anything like that, it just picks up on the important facts that Wlad won the fight in the 11th round by knockout.

I thought Wlad looked terriblt and Thompson much worse.

But hay Lewis was involved in the odd snorefest im sure Wlad would be tiptop if it were Haye or another serious contenter not a Mandatory.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I thought it was a good fight...Thompson tried his best, he gave Wlad a hard fight and Wlad closed the show with the big KO.....what's all the shit talking about???

When if EVER has a righty vs southpaw been a awesome stylistic matchup ESPECIALLY at heavyweight. Keeping that in mind I thought it was a very good fight, it was 1000 times better than Wlad-Sultan. In this fight neither Wlad nor Thompson had anything to be ashamed of.

Wlad proved he could take some punishment, land some body shots...some big ones too, and he fought hard for 11 rounds proving he has good stamina.


...everyone is a fucking critic and why? Because it's easy to do

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I wouldn't say it was a good fight. Certainly better than the Sultan one though. I was extremely impressed with Thompsons chin. He took some big straight right hands off Wlad but remained quite competitive throughout until the 10th round. I then started feeling well a bit sorry for him and I think he should have been pulled out by his corner as he was clearly in a lot of pain and was never going to win the fight, to me he was looking round for someone to pull him out without him quitting himself after they fell over on the ropes.
As for the homosexual comments! I'd love to see him say it to either mans face then see his face smashed straight in. At the end of the day it was a dull fight because of the contrasting styles of the two fighters and the fact that it was a lefty v righty. A southpaw will quite often make a superior Orthodox fighter look bad as they get a lot more practice against orthodox fighters than the other way around.

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Well put rjj tszyu :appl: Thompson had great defensive style and a great chin, it wasn't a pretty fight but it was a fight. Wlad ko'd a fighter that has never been ko'd I don't think Thompson has ever been knocked down. Thompson will be a problem for all the heavies and from what I've seen few will get past him.

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Originally Posted by piye

Wow, It's shocking to me that such a boring fighter has so many fans; I have fought amateur but never against a southpaw. But even as an amateur i can see the huge mistakes being made by Wladmir and Thompson and it's atrocious! I mean has Thompson still honestly not learnt to slip a punch? Wow; and Klitscho why does he get into those tumbles with fighters? he fights scared is clumsy and has no in game! I was Angry yesterday; Maybe I should not have responded like that but a lot of people (Lyle etc) Responded like some real bitc hes. I'm no bully and I'm not going to act hard over the internet as I hate keyboard gangsters but for people to say fuck me for insulting a fighter! Well FUCK THEM, I hope anyone who said that to me realizes this is a board for discussion you may occasionally get people who disagree with you or who hate fighters you love.

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So you have fought some amateur fights and you think you can personally do better? It's not surprising for a boxer to have such a gross amount of arrogance. In your post you don't give any respect to a guy apparently very few fighters can test much less beat...and Tony Thompson deserves respect for making it to the 11th round period, everyone thought it was going to be an early KO. As for never fighting a southpaw, it's very different I've sparred with a couple of them and it does pose problems for throwing the jab and just finding your openings in general.

Thompson is 6'5....I doubt he's had much of an opportunity to SLIP punches as you don't want to give up your height and reach. Winky Wright one of the best defensive fighters of the modern era rarely SLIPS punches.


Wlad fought scared? No Wlad fought at a measured pace and why fight at a measured pace? Because he beat the crap out of Purrity and Brewster and they weathered the storm and were able to turn the tables. Wlad took more punishment from Thompson than has recently been the case. Wlad has 45 KO's out of 51 fights not only because of his power but because he fights smart...he can tire someone out and make them want to not get up before he ever puts them down and that is EXACTLY what happened to Thompson.


You don't like Wlad fine join the club, you don't like Thompson fine, but if you're going to disrespect fighters the way you started the thread out then you're not going to recieve glowing reviews for your comments. So I suggest you tone down the name calling of the fighters and just focus on the actual fight that went on which even I might agree with you on....should Wlad have gone to the body more? YES. Should Thompson have thrown more punches? YES. Does Wlad tie up a lot? Yes, but it's part of his fight strategy and it might make for an ugly fight but it's worked for him extremely well.

Wlad isn't a perfect fighter but he's a good heavyweight and by the end of his career he may be a great champion....like it or not

Wlad will be remembered as a china-chinned boring bottlejob.

Wlad is the best out there...and by the end of his career he's going to be mentioned with some big names....maybe even Lennox Lewis


And before people argue with me about that, Wlad is 32 and if Haye IS a good heavyweight and Wlad KO's him and unifies the belts along with beating some other top level fighters maybe a Solis or Povetkin after they become more seasoned fighters then people are going to have to give him SOME credit for being a good fighter.


Wlad still doesn't get any credit for beating Sam Peter!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by piye

Wow, It's shocking to me that such a boring fighter has so many fans; I have fought amateur but never against a southpaw. But even as an amateur i can see the huge mistakes being made by Wladmir and Thompson and it's atrocious! I mean has Thompson still honestly not learnt to slip a punch? Wow; and Klitscho why does he get into those tumbles with fighters? he fights scared is clumsy and has no in game! I was Angry yesterday; Maybe I should not have responded like that but a lot of people (Lyle etc) Responded like some real bitc hes. I'm no bully and I'm not going to act hard over the internet as I hate keyboard gangsters but for people to say fuck me for insulting a fighter! Well FUCK THEM, I hope anyone who said that to me realizes this is a board for discussion you may occasionally get people who disagree with you or who hate fighters you love.

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So you have fought some amateur fights and you think you can personally do better? It's not surprising for a boxer to have such a gross amount of arrogance. In your post you don't give any respect to a guy apparently very few fighters can test much less beat...and Tony Thompson deserves respect for making it to the 11th round period, everyone thought it was going to be an early KO. As for never fighting a southpaw, it's very different I've sparred with a couple of them and it does pose problems for throwing the jab and just finding your openings in general.

Thompson is 6'5....I doubt he's had much of an opportunity to SLIP punches as you don't want to give up your height and reach. Winky Wright one of the best defensive fighters of the modern era rarely SLIPS punches.


Wlad fought scared? No Wlad fought at a measured pace and why fight at a measured pace? Because he beat the crap out of Purrity and Brewster and they weathered the storm and were able to turn the tables. Wlad took more punishment from Thompson than has recently been the case. Wlad has 45 KO's out of 51 fights not only because of his power but because he fights smart...he can tire someone out and make them want to not get up before he ever puts them down and that is EXACTLY what happened to Thompson.


You don't like Wlad fine join the club, you don't like Thompson fine, but if you're going to disrespect fighters the way you started the thread out then you're not going to recieve glowing reviews for your comments. So I suggest you tone down the name calling of the fighters and just focus on the actual fight that went on which even I might agree with you on....should Wlad have gone to the body more? YES. Should Thompson have thrown more punches? YES. Does Wlad tie up a lot? Yes, but it's part of his fight strategy and it might make for an ugly fight but it's worked for him extremely well.

Wlad isn't a perfect fighter but he's a good heavyweight and by the end of his career he may be a great champion....like it or not

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I'm sorry but I've been reading this forum for ages, and I have noticed how you give some great fighters no credit yet you praise the clumsy excessively cautious Klitscho? Something weird going on there.

And what GREAT fighters have I given no respect to? Floyd? Toney? Ali? Yeah I've dissed those guys a couple times but all while saying they are/were extremely talented and still considered great fighters.....sorry it's not the same as calling them faggots


I may have called Naz that but isn't he?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad is the best out there

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True.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

and by the end of his career he's going to be mentioned with some big names....maybe even Lennox Lewis

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No chance. He'll never be regarded as a GREAT. He is due another KO loss too.

There seriously is no pleasing some people. I guess because they didn't stand in the center of the ring and bash each other's faces in that made it boring. Despite there being good back and forth action, Klitschko not having an opponent who just rolled over it just wasn't good enough because why, exactly? It ended with a KO no less and that STILL isn't enough for you? Do you look for things to complain about in EVERYTHING?

I used to be a neutral fan of yours too.

I always have a look a second time at Fights Ive seen live.So I thought Id Have a second look this morning. After two rounds I turned it off realising my first opinion was correct, crap. ;D