Can Kelly Pavlik do damage at 175?

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well i think Pavlik beating Taylor is better then anything Kessler has done. Lets not for get the man who out classed Kessler had a way more difficult time then Taylor did with Hopkins and that was a older version of Hopkins. Also look at what Kessler been up not much of anything so i dont think much of him

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Mmmm... Can't say you're out of the ballpark at all.

I will say that had Kess been able to keep his foot on the peddle and stayed focused he could have mad it pretty controversial.

I know we could say "what if" to any fight...

...but regardless, I had Kess and Joe pretty much even going into the 6th.

Joe C showed his class in that fight totally blowing up his spot down the stretch. His stamina has always impressed the hell out of me.

...especially the Lacy fight... Never let up.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well i think Pavlik beating Taylor is better then anything Kessler has done. Lets not for get the man who out classed Kessler had a way more difficult time then Taylor did with Hopkins and that was a older version of Hopkins. Also look at what Kessler been up not much of anything so i dont think much of him

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When a fighter comes of a defeat they usually take a step back and come back slowly unless they go staright back into a rematch, i respect your opinion and of course Pavlik knocking out the then Middleweight champion is better than anything Kessler has done in terms of victorys.

You say that Calzaghe had alot more trouble than Taylor did?? How exactly i think you will find alot more people thought Hopkins beat Taylor than beating Calzaghe.

Well i thought the first fight was Taylors the second fight was a mess.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well i think Pavlik beating Taylor is better then anything Kessler has done. Lets not for get the man who out classed Kessler had a way more difficult time then Taylor did with Hopkins and that was a older version of Hopkins. Also look at what Kessler been up not much of anything so i dont think much of him

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When a fighter comes of a defeat they usually take a step back and come back slowly unless they go staright back into a rematch, i respect your opinion and of course Pavlik knocking out the then Middleweight champion is better than anything Kessler has done in terms of victorys.

You say that Calzaghe had alot more trouble than Taylor did?? How exactly i think you will find alot more people thought Hopkins beat Taylor than beating Calzaghe.

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This is a great point... I thought that Hop won the first outing against Taylor... By an extremely thin margin but I thought he pulled it out.

I def had Joe beating Hop. Not by a whole lot but nontheless...

Good point, Skel

Well to me alot of people underate Taylor because of the people he faced. Look Taylor beats Hopkins twice i thought he did enough for the wins but with Hopkins its always a close fight going eithe way. Then he fights Winky i had no problem with the draw close fight yet again its Winky another one to look good against is almost it not going to happen. Then the same goes with Spinks. Then he choose to fight Pavlik twice which he did not have to do and alot of people would not have.

yes kessler is still not fighting competition look at how hes fighting next Danilo Haussler now who the hell is that y dont he fight taylor or lacy or green hell anybody else he is taking a step back while kelly is actually fighting a top 10 fighter in the world which which lead to better fights as of kessler his career is going nowhere

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

yes kessler is still not fighting competition look at how hes fighting next Danilo Haussler now who the hell is that y dont he fight taylor or lacy or green hell anybody else he is taking a step back while kelly is actually fighting a top 10 fighter in the world which which lead to better fights as of kessler his career is going nowhere

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Kesslers career is going nowhere? Please!! The guy is 10 months after being beaton by a top fighter, hes getting himself back, HBO still very much backing him, within next 12 months you will see him in a super fight.

well we will see about that but as of the present kelly is fighting a legend and kessler is fighting a guy very few people know so cant nobody determine kesslers next opponent

Kessler has yet to impress me since Calzaghe..... BUT i think he takes Pavlik apart in a war.

that would be a great fight for both of them cause both of them are prime but if does happen kelly takes it especially after fighting hopkins will gain him alot of experience so he will know how to handle kessler. this fight does need to happen though

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

that would be a great fight for both of them cause both of them are prime but if does happen kelly takes it especially after fighting hopkins will gain him alot of experience so he will know how to handle kessler. this fight does need to happen though

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Wether he beats Hopkins or not it will not aid him against Kessler. Pavlik is a brawler if he was to box Kessler he wouldnt win a round.


If i was a Pavlik fan id worry about hopkins its 10rds at a new weight. Ok Calzaghe won in a career worst display but Kelly does have Joes footwork or speed the only two things that have troubled Hopkins.

Im willing to bet that after the 10rds b4 the dec you will be turding it.

its not 10 its 12 i checked it at top rank and it is for 12 rounds i dont think they will sell a ppv for 10rnds and as for hopkins winning i dont see it happening and i like hopkins but he will slow down in the 5th 6th or 7th round and will clinch alot which the judges will not like so kelly will win this fight either way by ko or ud and dont forget hes fighting a young guy and the last youngster he fought he lost to twice and hes fighting the guy who beat him twice badly:-X

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

so what your sayin is hopkins is gonna beat pavlik right;D

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He could even at 43, Pavlik ain't that good.

Pavlik is lucky Hopkins isn't 7 years younger.

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

its not 10 its 12 i checked it at top rank and it is for 12 rounds i dont think they will sell a ppv for 10rnds and as for hopkins winning i dont see it happening and i like hopkins but he will slow down in the 5th 6th or 7th round and will clinch alot which the judges will not like so kelly will win this fight either way by ko or ud and dont forget hes fighting a young guy and the last youngster he fought he lost to twice and hes fighting the guy who beat him twice badly:-X

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Pavlik beat Taylor twice and Taylor got two wins over Hopkins so that means Pavlik will beat Hopkins right ?:rolleyes:

If that was the case then Tarver beat Jones and Jones beat Hopkins so that means Tarver beat Hopkins..... oh wait.:o

Styles make fights. ;)

yes styles make fights and hopkins style is to throw about 20-30 punches a round and kelly throws about twice that amount maybe more and are harder punches compared to anybody hopkins has ever faced eventually those hard ass punches will where him down especially after the first few rounds just admit it its over for hopkins