Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Mikkel_K
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Fenster
Don't think so. There were no names at middleweight either. It took Trinidad moving up to give Hopkins a BIG NAME fight. After that (which is when the Calzaghe offer was made) he fought no-names like Hakkar, and Robert Allen for the 50th time, before little Oscar obliged him with a big payday.
It should be said to B-Hop's defence that little Oscar provided something like ten million reasons for him to stay at 160.
That the money werent right for the risk it brought, doesnt mean Hopkins was scared. Same goes for Joe not coming to the States earlier.
Hang on.. Hopkins doesn't need a defence from anything ive said. Nothing has been dispariging towards him.
Imagine Hopkins had the choice (obviously he didn't) .. either fight Oscar for 10m or fight Calzaghe for say 5m.. that can't even be seriously considered, not for a minute, second, nanosecond ;D
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Dark Lord Al
I dont think Calzaghe intended to duck people , i just dont think he tried hard enough to get those fights , sure offers were made , but look , if Calzaghe had given up the WBOJOKE strap , and fought to NUMBER 1 contender status for say RJJ , or whoever , then he would have got the fight.
Maybe Calzaghe regrets not fighting these guys in their primes , its a part of boxing that i hate , Sven Ottke and Calzaghe both so called unbeaten world champions , in the same division , and never fought, ( not that its all Calzaghe's fault ) it is just bullshit when the best in divisions dont fight.
Basically boxing politics are total bullshit as we are all well aware of.
We shouldnt be left guessing who beats who , we should see it happen !!!
Solution is simple - 1 champion per division.
As you say boxing politics are bullshit.
SO.. being the No.1 contenter to an alphabet doesn't guarantee anything. And certainly wouldn't have changed his "star" status across the pond ;)
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
I dont think Calzaghe intended to duck people , i just dont think he tried hard enough to get those fights , sure offers were made , but look , if Calzaghe had given up the WBOJOKE strap , and fought to NUMBER 1 contender status for say RJJ , or whoever , then he would have got the fight.
Maybe Calzaghe regrets not fighting these guys in their primes , its a part of boxing that i hate , Sven Ottke and Calzaghe both so called unbeaten world champions , in the same division , and never fought, ( not that its all Calzaghe's fault ) it is just bullshit when the best in divisions dont fight.
Basically boxing politics are total bullshit as we are all well aware of.
We shouldnt be left guessing who beats who , we should see it happen !!!
Solution is simple - 1 champion per division.
As you say boxing politics are bullshit.
SO.. being the No.1 contenter to an alphabet doesn't guarantee anything. And certainly wouldn't have changed his "star" status across the pond ;)
I really ment if he was mandatory , and calls a guy like RJJ out , then if the fight doesnt happen its down to the champ ,
He isnt the only fighter guilty of this kind of thing ,
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
I dont think Calzaghe intended to duck people , i just dont think he tried hard enough to get those fights , sure offers were made , but look , if Calzaghe had given up the WBOJOKE strap , and fought to NUMBER 1 contender status for say RJJ , or whoever , then he would have got the fight.
Maybe Calzaghe regrets not fighting these guys in their primes , its a part of boxing that i hate , Sven Ottke and Calzaghe both so called unbeaten world champions , in the same division , and never fought, ( not that its all Calzaghe's fault ) it is just bullshit when the best in divisions dont fight.
Basically boxing politics are total bullshit as we are all well aware of.
We shouldnt be left guessing who beats who , we should see it happen !!!
Solution is simple - 1 champion per division.
As you say boxing politics are bullshit.
SO.. being the No.1 contenter to an alphabet doesn't guarantee anything. And certainly wouldn't have changed his "star" status across the pond ;)
I really ment if he was mandatory , and calls a guy like RJJ out , then if the fight doesnt happen its down to the champ ,
He isnt the only fighter guilty of this kind of thing ,
Oh I see. But then i'm sure self admitted haters, like yourself, would still find a way to easily blame Calzaghe for the fights not happening.. ;D
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
As you say boxing politics are bullshit.
SO.. being the No.1 contenter to an alphabet doesn't guarantee anything. And certainly wouldn't have changed his "star" status across the pond ;)
I really ment if he was mandatory , and calls a guy like RJJ out , then if the fight doesnt happen its down to the champ ,
He isnt the only fighter guilty of this kind of thing ,
Oh I see. But then i'm sure self admitted haters, like yourself, would still find a way to easily blame Calzaghe for the fights not happening.. ;D
If he had taken that route he would be blameless.
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
I really ment if he was mandatory , and calls a guy like RJJ out , then if the fight doesnt happen its down to the champ ,
He isnt the only fighter guilty of this kind of thing ,
Oh I see. But then i'm sure self admitted haters, like yourself, would still find a way to easily blame Calzaghe for the fights not happening.. ;D
If he had taken that route he would be blameless.
Oh well.. maybe he thinks about that at night.. if only he'd done things different - he may not have been a 46-0 multi-millionaire - but at least he would have got the respect of Dark Lord Al ;D
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Fenster
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ICB
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gudnite vienna
its a shame Joe never got to fight Collins like he was supposed to, he would of been given a lot of kudos for winning that fight looking back now..
Wat do you think ICB?
Yes he would have but im not sure how much Steve Collins had left at that point, he had been in with alot of good names Mike McCallum, Chris Eubank x2, Nigel Benn x2, Sumbu Kalambay, ETC. And all those fights would of took something out of him.
But saying that he still looked like he had alot left in his last fight, he was actually knocked down in the opening seconds although no punch landed. But then that seemed to fire him up because he had Craig Cummings down later in the round. And he then proceeded to beat the living crap out of him.
I think Steve Collins would of gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle, Joe Calzaghe was inexperienced at the world stage at that time. And im not sure how he would of dealt with the rough/tough style of Steve Collins. Because history shows Joe Calzaghe has struggled in those kind of fights before.
It would of been a very good fight though and i can't really pick a winner, because Joe Calzaghe was still inexperienced. But Steve Collins also had eye problems, and he passed out in sparring while getting ready for Joe Calzaghe, so im not sure how much he had left.
Howard Eastman sparked him in sparring.
He was too slow and didn't hit hard enough to beat Calzaghe.. even an inexperienced version.. still, would have been a good fight ;)
Howard Eastman could really hit.
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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ICB
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Fenster
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ICB
Yes he would have but im not sure how much Steve Collins had left at that point, he had been in with alot of good names Mike McCallum, Chris Eubank x2, Nigel Benn x2, Sumbu Kalambay, ETC. And all those fights would of took something out of him.
But saying that he still looked like he had alot left in his last fight, he was actually knocked down in the opening seconds although no punch landed. But then that seemed to fire him up because he had Craig Cummings down later in the round. And he then proceeded to beat the living crap out of him.
I think Steve Collins would of gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle, Joe Calzaghe was inexperienced at the world stage at that time. And im not sure how he would of dealt with the rough/tough style of Steve Collins. Because history shows Joe Calzaghe has struggled in those kind of fights before.
It would of been a very good fight though and i can't really pick a winner, because Joe Calzaghe was still inexperienced. But Steve Collins also had eye problems, and he passed out in sparring while getting ready for Joe Calzaghe, so im not sure how much he had left.
Howard Eastman sparked him in sparring.
He was too slow and didn't hit hard enough to beat Calzaghe.. even an inexperienced version.. still, would have been a good fight ;)
Howard Eastman could really hit.
If Collins still had some left at the time Joe challenged Eubank it would have been a very good fight, hard to pick. Collins would be there til the end, and joe having not gone beyond 8 before would have had to hang on. The more experienced joe would box circles around the come forward Collins, but without really hurting him.
As for the thread, rather pointless IMO. Yes he could've done more to force the fights, but so could 99.99999999999999% of the boxingworld. Very, very few fighters are anywhere,anytime,don't give a shit about the money types.
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Rantcatrat
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Kirkland Laing
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Trainer Monkey
He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch
He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.
Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.
Yeah, they all do that. Kessler did the same thing. They make a bs excuse then say they're not making an excuse.
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Kirkland Laing
He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.
Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.
Yeah, they all do that. Kessler did the same thing. They make a bs excuse then say they're not making an excuse.
Bull,anyone could see his paw was damaged,the only reason he went through with the fight was he was afraid that Warren wasnt going to give him a second chance
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Trainer Monkey
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Kirkland Laing
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Rantcatrat
Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.
Yeah, they all do that. Kessler did the same thing. They make a bs excuse then say they're not making an excuse.
Bull,anyone could see his paw was damaged,the only reason he went through with the fight was he was afraid that Warren wasnt going to give him a second chance
I didn't think his hand was damaged at all. I think his people invented the hand story as an excuse if he lost. After the fight he was embarrased when he was asked about the hand and said it had nothing to so with him losing the fight, he knew he'd been beaten fair and square.
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Yeah, they all do that. Kessler did the same thing. They make a bs excuse then say they're not making an excuse.
Bull,anyone could see his paw was damaged,the only reason he went through with the fight was he was afraid that Warren wasnt going to give him a second chance
I didn't think his hand was damaged at all. I think his people invented the hand story as an excuse if he lost. After the fight he was embarrased when he was asked about the hand and said it had nothing to so with him losing the fight, he knew he'd been beaten fair and square.
Yeah which is why as soon as I said he was saying he was hurt,the first words out of the mouth of someone who watched the fight with me was, "It was his hand,wasnt it?"
It was pretty obvious
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Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Trainer Monkey
Bull,anyone could see his paw was damaged,the only reason he went through with the fight was he was afraid that Warren wasnt going to give him a second chance
I didn't think his hand was damaged at all. I think his people invented the hand story as an excuse if he lost. After the fight he was embarrased when he was asked about the hand and said it had nothing to so with him losing the fight, he knew he'd been beaten fair and square.
Yeah which is why as soon as I said he was saying he was hurt,the first words out of the mouth of someone who watched the fight with me was, "It was his hand,wasnt it?"
It was pretty obvious
Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.
Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
I didn't think his hand was damaged at all. I think his people invented the hand story as an excuse if he lost. After the fight he was embarrased when he was asked about the hand and said it had nothing to so with him losing the fight, he knew he'd been beaten fair and square.
Yeah which is why as soon as I said he was saying he was hurt,the first words out of the mouth of someone who watched the fight with me was, "It was his hand,wasnt it?"
It was pretty obvious
Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.
Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"
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Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Yeah which is why as soon as I said he was saying he was hurt,the first words out of the mouth of someone who watched the fight with me was, "It was his hand,wasnt it?"
It was pretty obvious
Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.
Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"
TM.. you are nuts, son.
Here's the punchstats.
Kessler
Landed/Thrown
Total Punches
173 / 585
Jabs
52 / 326
Power Punches
121 / 259
What hand was it Kessler could NOT throw? ;D
