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Originally Posted by amat
LOL, thats possibly the weirdest sentence ive ever seen on these forums...
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Originally Posted by amat
LOL, thats possibly the weirdest sentence ive ever seen on these forums...
I don't see Ruiz having much chance. Jones showed Ruiz doesn't handle speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesaside from Tua, no one has been able to rock Ruiz, Haye doesn't hit anywhere as hard as Tua ever did, i'd pick Haye to win over Ruiz but wouldn't be shocked if he actually lost to the human octopusQuote:
Originally Posted by Otley
every fight after the Tua fight showed that Ruiz's chin's not bad at all, like i said Haye could probably beat him, but it'd probably be another decision, and i wouldn't be shocked if Ruiz ended up holding the WBA title again, even if he loses the decision lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI don't see Ruiz having much chance. Jones showed Ruiz doesn't handle speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesaside from Tua, no one has been able to rock Ruiz, Haye doesn't hit anywhere as hard as Tua ever did, i'd pick Haye to win over Ruiz but wouldn't be shocked if he actually lost to the human octopusQuote:
Originally Posted by Otley
John Ruiz should also be another easy fight for Haye, but Ruiz should cut the ring off a bit better than Valuev and engage Haye a bit better, but I see the same outcome, Haye by Decision. If Ruiz can get Haye in the clinch then the fight could be extremely difficult for Haye as opposed to just lackluster.
I am SO thankful Norman Stone no longer works Ruiz's corner....what a horrid thing that would be Haye vs Stoney in a talk-off....hand me my gun!!!!
Never mind buddying up, they should fight each other... after all Haye is only about 3-4 stone heavier than Dirrell, that's not even 7 stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Oh wait, is Dirrell the same guy who fought scared of against man who weighed precisely 0 pounds more than he did?
If anything Dirrell looked bigger than Froch... after watching a high quality version of the fight and seeing the quality of what carl landed better I have to say I think Dirrell edged it, but what exactly was Dirrell's excuse for fighting so negativly and bitching to the ref every 2 seconds?
Was Froch too big? :rolleyes:
Yes but we know what we're getting with Dirrell, we were sold David Haye by the British media AND David Haye himself as a brash power punching bad ass......and what we got is a guy who runs like a little punk and is too lazy to KO a guy who was by all means there for the taking
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven't seen any Haye fights other than his last two.
The circumstances made him so negative... you'd have to be pretty dumb not to know he normally has an aggressive style.
Don't worry either Lyle, the pre fight hype didn't just get to you... Valuev obviously wasn't prepared to chase haye so he must have been a sucker and bought in to it too.
I'll say it again: what was Dirrells excuse for spending the majority of his fight boxing negativly against a man the same size as he?
It's ludicrous to try and compare the two performances, which is obviously the tree Amat is barking up.
Haye just nicked his fight and it made every bit of sense to box cautiously.
Dirrell just nicked his fight but there was no excuse for being so negative and bitching so much.
Also what do you mean Valuev was 'there for the taking'? I thought you weren't sold on Haye's power at heavy weight or his ability to stand in front of a big man?
So now you think he had those attributes he was just too afraid to use them? that seems like a bit of a U-Turn if you ask me.
I've seen enough of Haye's fights to know what he's about and to know his flaws will be shown at heavyweight.
Pre fight hype...wonderful, I'm glad to see it back in boxing. You know recently there has been far too much BOXING and not enough shit talking...I really miss the shit talking especially when guys say "I'm going to knock you out" and then end up running the entire fight.
I'm not defending Dirrell, I'm telling you that's how the guy fights....David Haye said he was NEVER going to fight like that and low and behold he did.
When I say "Valuev was there for the taking" I mean THROW MORE THAN ONE FUCKING PUNCH GOD DAMNIT!!! I thought Haye had fast hands? I thought Haye was going to "rip off combinations" with his "blazing handspeed"....I mean that's what he SAID he was going to do, so why not do it. I't not like Valuev was going to speed up all of a sudden. Do you not think Haye could have thrown 3-4 punches at a time and still accomplished what he did??? I can tell you right now that is one of the MAIN reasons he's not going to last with Wladimir and hell that laziness could catch up with him vs Ruiz or someone else.
I don't ask that Haye stand infront of Valuev, I ask that he work more...am I wrong?? It's not as if Valuev is a massive puncher OR a skilled counter puncher....this was as horrible as Mayweather-Baldomir, except with less punches thrown and every now and then Haye got hit
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
What was Haye's excuse for NOT throwing punches? I hear a lot of complaining about the biitching Dirrell was doing and that's valid he was being a whiny Biitch, but he was throwing and landing at least 3 times was Haye was.
I always fought that 'there for the taking' meant 'there for the taking'? :p
If you're not defending Dirrell then why dive in? I'm not saying that Haye put on a marquee performance, just that comparing Andre Dirrell's negativity to haye's is ludicrous.
I didnt know Wlad fought last night :headscratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by killersheepQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
What was Haye's excuse for NOT throwing punches? I hear a lot of complaining about the biitching Dirrell was doing and that's valid he was being a whiny Biitch, but he was throwing and landing at least 3 times was Haye was.
Agreed. The sad thing about the Valuev Haye match is that it was basically a poor man's Froch Dirrel fight, itself a stinker.
Valuev offered NOTHING offensively, he was his usual lumbering, plodding self. Meanwhile all Haye did was jog around the ring for 3 minutes and tap the stone troll at the end of each round as he completed his laps.
Froch Dirrell was a fight of the year candidate compared to this shit. Haye didn't beat Valuev any better than Chagaev, Ruiz or Holyfield did. All three of them are incredibly mediocre fighters (obviously Evander was great once but those days are long gone and either Klitschko could comfortably beat all three of them on the same night.
All Haye proved is that he around the same level as the current Evander Holyfield and John Ruiz, and a step behind Ruslan Chagaev.
Fighters off the top of my head who beat Haye easily.
Wlad. Ko's him
Vitali Ko's him
Chambers outboxes him to a unanimous decision
Solis Ko's him just like the amatuers
Povetkin dominates him to win an easy decision
Tony Thompson, stops him late
Dimitresko 50/50 fight imo
Juan Carlos Gomez 50/50 I'd side with Gomez
Thomas Adamek I'd pick him to knock Haye out
Arreola 50/50 both overatted, I'd prob side with Arreola
So 10 fights in which I'd be suprised if Haye won more than two.
Oh come on the only guy Wlad hasn't stopped in the last 4 years is Ibragimov.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI didnt know Wlad fought last night :headscratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Wlad knows how to finish.
I agree with all this except I think Solis would eat Haye, so I'm not sure if that counts as a KO or not.Quote:
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
What was Haye's excuse for NOT throwing punches? I hear a lot of complaining about the biitching Dirrell was doing and that's valid he was being a whiny Biitch, but he was throwing and landing at least 3 times was Haye was.
Agreed. The sad thing about the Valuev Haye match is that it was basically a poor man's Froch Dirrel fight, itself a stinker.
Valuev offered NOTHING offensively, he was his usual lumbering, plodding self. Meanwhile all Haye did was jog around the ring for 3 minutes and tap the stone troll at the end of each round as he completed his laps.
Froch Dirrell was a fight of the year candidate compared to this shit. Haye didn't beat Valuev any better than Chagaev, Ruiz or Holyfield did. All three of them are incredibly mediocre fighters (obviously Evander was great once but those days are long gone and either Klitschko could comfortably beat all three of them on the same night.
All Haye proved is that he around the same level as the current Evander Holyfield and John Ruiz, and a step behind Ruslan Chagaev.
Fighters off the top of my head who beat Haye easily.
Wlad. Ko's him
Vitali Ko's him
Chambers outboxes him to a unanimous decision
Solis Ko's him just like the amatuers
Povetkin dominates him to win an easy decision
Tony Thompson, stops him late
Dimitresko 50/50 fight imo
Juan Carlos Gomez 50/50 I'd side with Gomez
Thomas Adamek I'd pick him to knock Haye out
Arreola 50/50 both overatted, I'd prob side with Arreola
So 10 fights in which I'd be suprised if Haye won more than two.
Haye would have thrown more but he conveniently injured his right hand at the start of the fight :rolleyes:, for all the smack talk he did, he really came off as a scared bitch who ran for 12 rounds, what a crap fight, His output is horrible and Im still not sold on his fitness, first guy that makes him fight at a decent pace(throw more than 5 punches a round) will take him out mid to late roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle