Valuev Won That Fight!

[Kev]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven't seen any Haye fights other than his last two.

The circumstances made him so negative... you'd have to be pretty dumb not to know he normally has an aggressive style.

Don't worry either Lyle, the pre fight hype didn't just get to you... Valuev obviously wasn't prepared to chase haye so he must have been a sucker and bought in to it too.

I'll say it again: what was Dirrells excuse for spending the majority of his fight boxing negativly against a man the same size as he?

It's ludicrous to try and compare the two performances, which is obviously the tree Amat is barking up.

Haye just nicked his fight and it made every bit of sense to box cautiously.
Dirrell just nicked his fight but there was no excuse for being so negative and bitching so much.

Also what do you mean Valuev was 'there for the taking'? I thought you weren't sold on Haye's power at heavy weight or his ability to stand in front of a big man?

So now you think he had those attributes he was just too afraid to use them? that seems like a bit of a U-Turn if you ask me.

What was Haye's excuse for NOT throwing punches? I hear a lot of complaining about the biitching Dirrell was doing and that's valid he was being a whiny Biitch, but he was throwing and landing at least 3 times was Haye was.

Agreed. The sad thing about the Valuev Haye match is that it was basically a poor man's Froch Dirrel fight, itself a stinker.

Valuev offered NOTHING offensively, he was his usual lumbering, plodding self. Meanwhile all Haye did was jog around the ring for 3 minutes and tap the stone troll at the end of each round as he completed his laps.

Froch Dirrell was a fight of the year candidate compared to this shit. Haye didn't beat Valuev any better than Chagaev, Ruiz or Holyfield did. All three of them are incredibly mediocre fighters (obviously Evander was great once but those days are long gone and either Klitschko could comfortably beat all three of them on the same night.

All Haye proved is that he around the same level as the current Evander Holyfield and John Ruiz, and a step behind Ruslan Chagaev.

Fighters off the top of my head who beat Haye easily.

Wlad. Ko's him
Vitali Ko's him
Chambers outboxes him to a unanimous decision
Solis Ko's him just like the amatuers
Povetkin dominates him to win an easy decision
Tony Thompson, stops him late
Dimitresko 50/50 fight imo
Juan Carlos Gomez 50/50 I'd side with Gomez
Thomas Adamek I'd pick him to knock Haye out
Arreola 50/50 both overatted, I'd prob side with Arreola

So 10 fights in which I'd be suprised if Haye won more than two.