Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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Silkeyjoe
Yea and a lot of people have taken one bare knuckle punch and have been fine. I don't know what does more damage all I know is gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands. Gloves reduce superficial damage (cuts) but most people suggest wearing gloves does more damage to the fighter because it allows one to throw stronger punches more often because their hands are protected. This is why it is ludicrous to suggest that the one bare knuckle punch Chisora took did more damage to him then the punches he's received in the ring throughout his career
Its not ludicrous at all. You ask a neurosurgion if he thinks its ludicrous that getting punched by the biggest puncher in the world with no cushioning would not affect something in your head. Iv got a good idea what he tell you.
As I said, wraps were introduced to protect the hands. Gloves were then put on top to protect the opponent. Look it up;)
Chisoras ability to take a punch before hand was more down to his head movement which seems to have suffered with the weight loss. Even Don Charles has said that.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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Silkeyjoe
I have looked it up. Any encyclopedia will tell u gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands and will say most professionals believe they increased the chance of long term damage as fighters can land stronger blows more often.
Yes and ask any neurosurgeon whether one punch to the head bare knuckle or 30 or more punches to the head with 10 ounce gloves on is worse.
No no no little sugar plum!
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?
Argument over.
One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.
For fucks sakes!
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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ross
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Silkeyjoe
Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?
Argument over.
One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.
For fucks sakes!
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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Silkeyjoe
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ross
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Silkeyjoe
I have looked it up. Any encyclopedia will tell u gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands and will say most professionals believe they increased the chance of long term damage as fighters can land stronger blows more often.
Yes and ask any neurosurgeon whether one punch to the head bare knuckle or 30 or more punches to the head with 10 ounce gloves on is worse.
No no no little sugar plum!
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
Yes but it's more likely that the multiple punches u took before and after that did more damage then the one punch.
I'm arguing with facts. You jus seem tom ale shit up.
Errm, you saying you think something is more likely does not make something a fact. You are not a neuro surgeon and even had to look up the use of wraps and gloves;D
I know its fact there will be more direct force from a bareknuckle punch than from the same punch with padding.
Why dyou think the air bag was invented? If the force is the same regardless of padding whats the point:rolleyes:
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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Silkeyjoe
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ross
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Silkeyjoe
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ross
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Silkeyjoe
I have looked it up. Any encyclopedia will tell u gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands and will say most professionals believe they increased the chance of long term damage as fighters can land stronger blows more often.
Yes and ask any neurosurgeon whether one punch to the head bare knuckle or 30 or more punches to the head with 10 ounce gloves on is worse.
No no no little sugar plum!
Stop saying 30 punches! It is not beyond the realms of actual possibility that taking a free shot from the biggest puncher in the world is not very dangerous and if it didnt in fact kill you with a brain haemorrhage or blood clot may leave you in a condition that may make it easier to switch the lights off in the future. The brain actually does that. Shuts itself down to protect itself.
Stop arguing with shit.
Yes but it's more likely that the multiple punches u took before and after that did more damage then the one punch.
I'm arguing with facts. You jus seem tom ale shit up.
Errm, you saying you think something is more likely does not make something a fact. You are not a neuro surgeon and even had to look up the use of wraps and gloves;D
I know its fact there will be more direct force from a bareknuckle punch than from the same punch with padding.
Why dyou think the air bag was invented? If the force is the same regardless of padding whats the point:rolleyes:
I didn't say anything about force of punches so stop putting words in other peoples mouths. U try to do that a lot. All I asked was what's worse. One punch bare knuckle or 30 with a glove on. It's the latter so to suggest one punch that Haye landed bare knuckle made him punch drunk is stupid. You clearly aren't a brain sure on either and since you didn't know gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands which is pretty much common knowledge. You also seem to know that a bare knuckle punch carries more force then a gloved punch which again is not a fact an is not true. Force would be very similar for both and is likely that with a glove it carries more force as your hand with a glove on is heavier. It's basic science. You could test this with one of those punch machines in a bar or arcade. Throw 2 punches one with a glove and see which carries more force.
Stick to doing odds;)
We will see how good your are at those when it comes to Chisora v Johnson.;)
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
Ross, come on... Look at the circumstantial evidence:
Hitting full force with bare knuckles would break your hands if you can throw a half decent punch. Bone is harder than concrete.
One thing I will concede is that being hit once with bare knuckles will damage your skin more than with gloves.
a) Haye's hand was fine.
b) Chisora didn't have a scratch on him, no cut, no substantial swelling or bruising, nothing.
It clearly wasn't a concussive punch or Haye's hand would have shattered and Del Boy would be leaking.
YOU CAN'T PUNCH AS HARD WITH BARE KNUCKLES...
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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ross
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smashup
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Silkeyjoe
Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?
Argument over.
One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.
For fucks sakes!
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Obviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.
Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.
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ross
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ross
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Silkeyjoe
Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?
Argument over.
One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.
For fucks sakes!
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Obviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.
Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.
If you are in a situation you feel threatened as Haye would have with Chisora bearing down on him you would not think of having to go 12 rounds. You have asked me if I have boxed, yes I have, 18 bouts. Have you ever had a scrap outside the ring? I have and you certainly dont think of the safety of your hand to try to end things quick. If you were clear headed enough to have thought of safety you would not throw a punch in the first place.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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ross
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ross
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Silkeyjoe
Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?
Argument over.
One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.
For fucks sakes!
Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!
Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.
Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!
Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.
The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.
Ross your a thick Cunt ;D
So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants;)
Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"
;D
Obviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.
Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.
Come on, this forum cant be that ignorant!
Can someone else please confirm that not everyone in here is so ignorant and point out the obvious that they understand a cushioned punch is going to be better for your brain than a bareknuckled punch. Its down to the acceleration and deceleration of the brain. A cushioned blow slows it all down.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
Padding greatly reduces the impact of a punch... Which is why the AIBA are removing padded headguards from competition? ??? :rolleyes:
They have removed an aspect of padding because the reduction in concussion gained from removing head guards MASSIVELY outweighs the increase in cuts.
If they removed gloves then hand injuries and cuts would increase much more than concussions.
You can't throw a full bodied shot without gloves unless you don't mind breaking your hands. It's as simple as that.
Floyd Mayweather has bad hands and often gets stick for picking giant gloves, do you think he pucks them because he's worried about his hands, or because he doesn't want to hurt his opponents too much? :vd:
A single blow from a bare knuckle that didn't break the hand of the thrower or leave a mark on the recipitent just doesn't have the same force as a gloved fist because obviously you don't hold back when gloved up.
Your subconcious won't let you run face first into a wall and neither will it let you punch a brick wall as hard as you can with no protection. You might be thick as fuck, but your nervous system isn't
Haye didn't break his hand and Chisora wasn't bloodied, swolen or bruised... If the punch that Haye threw was landed with even as much force as a gloved shot chisora would have taken several times in sparring, then why wasn't there notable damage to either Haye's hand or the soft tissue of Chisora's cranium? Answers on a post card.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?
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AdamGB
Padding greatly reduces the impact of a punch... Which is why the AIBA are removing padded headguards from competition? ??? :rolleyes:
They have removed an aspect of padding because the reduction in concussion gained from removing head guards MASSIVELY outweighs the increase in cuts.
If they removed gloves then hand injuries and cuts would increase much more than concussions.
You can't throw a full bodied shot without gloves unless you don't mind breaking your hands. It's as simple as that.
Floyd Mayweather has bad hands and often gets stick for picking giant gloves, do you think he pucks them because he's worried about his hands, or because he doesn't want to hurt his opponents too much? :vd:
A single blow from a bare knuckle that didn't break the hand of the thrower or leave a mark on the recipitent just doesn't have the same force as a gloved fist because obviously you don't hold back when gloved up.
Your subconcious won't let you run face first into a wall and neither will it let you punch a brick wall as hard as you can with no protection. You might be thick as fuck, but your nervous system isn't
Haye didn't break his hand and Chisora wasn't bloodied, swolen or bruised... If the punch that Haye threw was landed with even as much force as a gloved shot chisora would have taken several times in sparring, then why wasn't there notable damage to either Haye's hand or the soft tissue of Chisora's cranium? Answers on a post card.
You are working on the presumption that no one can throw a full blooded shot n anger without gloves on whithout breaking their hands. You are wrong. Iv done it plenty of times n anger and imsure many thers have and not on a target thatgives like a head either.
Yes if you are repeatedly landi g shots over 12 rou ds you would hurt your hands but a one off full hoooded shot in anger, lts of people throw them and those that know how to land a punch properly dont hurt themselves.
