Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?

[ross]

Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?

Argument over.

One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.

For fucks sakes!

Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!

Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.

Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!

Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.

The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.

Ross your a thick Cunt

So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants

Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"

[AdamGB]

Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?

Argument over.

One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.

For fucks sakes!

Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!

Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.

Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!

Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.

The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.

Ross your a thick Cunt

So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants

Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"

Obviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.

Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.

[ross]

Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?

Argument over.

One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.

For fucks sakes!

Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!

Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.

Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!

Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.

The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.

Ross your a thick Cunt

So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants

Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"

Obviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.

Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.

If you are in a situation you feel threatened as Haye would have with Chisora bearing down on him you would not think of having to go 12 rounds. You have asked me if I have boxed, yes I have, 18 bouts. Have you ever had a scrap outside the ring? I have and you certainly dont think of the safety of your hand to try to end things quick. If you were clear headed enough to have thought of safety you would not throw a punch in the first place.

[ross]

Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?

Argument over.

One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.

For fucks sakes!

Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!

Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.

Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!

Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.

The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.

Ross your a thick Cunt

So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants

Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"

Obviously you'd pick gloves... because bare knuckle would cut your face to pieces, but we're talking about concussive force affecting punch resistance, not cuts.

Gloves help reduce cuts and hand damage, that's IT.

Come on, this forum cant be that ignorant!

Can someone else please confirm that not everyone in here is so ignorant and point out the obvious that they understand a cushioned punch is going to be better for your brain than a bareknuckled punch. Its down to the acceleration and deceleration of the brain. A cushioned blow slows it all down.

[AdamGB]

Padding greatly reduces the impact of a punch... Which is why the AIBA are removing padded headguards from competition?

They have removed an aspect of padding because the reduction in concussion gained from removing head guards MASSIVELY outweighs the increase in cuts.

If they removed gloves then hand injuries and cuts would increase much more than concussions.

You can't throw a full bodied shot without gloves unless you don't mind breaking your hands. It's as simple as that.

Floyd Mayweather has bad hands and often gets stick for picking giant gloves, do you think he pucks them because he's worried about his hands, or because he doesn't want to hurt his opponents too much?

A single blow from a bare knuckle that didn't break the hand of the thrower or leave a mark on the recipitent just doesn't have the same force as a gloved fist because obviously you don't hold back when gloved up.

Your subconcious won't let you run face first into a wall and neither will it let you punch a brick wall as hard as you can with no protection. You might be thick as fuck, but your nervous system isn't

Haye didn't break his hand and Chisora wasn't bloodied, swolen or bruised... If the punch that Haye threw was landed with even as much force as a gloved shot chisora would have taken several times in sparring, then why wasn't there notable damage to either Haye's hand or the soft tissue of Chisora's cranium? Answers on a post card.

[ross]

Padding greatly reduces the impact of a punch... Which is why the AIBA are removing padded headguards from competition?

They have removed an aspect of padding because the reduction in concussion gained from removing head guards MASSIVELY outweighs the increase in cuts.

If they removed gloves then hand injuries and cuts would increase much more than concussions.

You can't throw a full bodied shot without gloves unless you don't mind breaking your hands. It's as simple as that.

Floyd Mayweather has bad hands and often gets stick for picking giant gloves, do you think he pucks them because he's worried about his hands, or because he doesn't want to hurt his opponents too much?

A single blow from a bare knuckle that didn't break the hand of the thrower or leave a mark on the recipitent just doesn't have the same force as a gloved fist because obviously you don't hold back when gloved up.

Your subconcious won't let you run face first into a wall and neither will it let you punch a brick wall as hard as you can with no protection. You might be thick as fuck, but your nervous system isn't

Haye didn't break his hand and Chisora wasn't bloodied, swolen or bruised... If the punch that Haye threw was landed with even as much force as a gloved shot chisora would have taken several times in sparring, then why wasn't there notable damage to either Haye's hand or the soft tissue of Chisora's cranium? Answers on a post card.

You are working on the presumption that no one can throw a full blooded shot n anger without gloves on whithout breaking their hands. You are wrong. Iv done it plenty of times n anger and imsure many thers have and not on a target thatgives like a head either.

Yes if you are repeatedly landi g shots over 12 rou ds you would hurt your hands but a one off full hoooded shot in anger, lts of people throw them and those that know how to land a punch properly dont hurt themselves.

[AdamGB]

What assumptions am I working under ross.

Haye landed a headshot
Haye didn't damage his hand (he has broken it whilst wearing gloves so we know it breaks)
Chisora wasn't cut, didn't suffer an orbital fracture, broken jaw or anything of that nature

Those are facts, I presume nothing and they all support that the blow Haye landed wasn't as concussive as a full bodied, gloved shot... Let alone several.

If force = mass x acceleration, please explain what affect a glove on force has on force, be specific.

The reduction in force is negligable, the resuction in damgage to hand and facial structures is what is significant here.

[Silkeyjoe]

Ross is just confused here. His logic behind a bare fist doing more damage is that its a harder surface. Its an easy mistake to make. A barefist punch will hurt you more and is more likey to cause cuts or a broken bone. However, if there is no cut and bone damage the impact of that shot has no extra impact on the brain then a gloved punch. Damage to the brain comes from shots causing the brain to rock in your head. Once the physical damage, cut, bone damage, internal bleeding etc is not caused it makes very little difference what causes the impact be it a bare knuck, gloved fist or even a hammer or baseball bat.

[smashup]

Maybe ross never watched Ricky burns last fight hahahaha.

He just digs a bigger hole everytime he posts

So Haye didnt break Chisoras jaw bare knuckle and he's a big punching Heavyweight but Burns got his jaw broke by a way smaller way lesser powered puncher wearing a Glove ?

Tell us all Ross.......

Where do these hard facts leave your argument now?

In the toilet where it belongs lol

[smashup]

Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?

Argument over.

One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.

For fucks sakes!

Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!

Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.

Makes absolutely NO difference getting hit with a Glove or Bare Knuckle as to what damage a punch would do to the brain!!

Its gonna be exactly the same force from the blow to rock your brain and bang it off the inside of your skull either way.

The only difference would be the facial damage would be worse from a bare knuckle.

Ross your a thick Cunt

So if you were sparring Haye and the choice was let him go bare knuckle or allow him to wear gloves you know what you'd say you little pickle pants

Youd say "iv pooed my pants can I go home please?"

See you change the subject because your theory is bullshit.

You claim a bare knuckle does more lasting damage to the brain than a glove.

Like silkyjoe has just said , its about the force that causes the brain to rock and smash into the skull.

A shovel, cricket bat, iron bar or fist (gloved or ungloved) or any object smashed into your head could all do the same damage, boils down to the force of the blow not the object that hits you.

Maybe Michael Schumacher would have died instantly if David Haye was standing bare fisted on the ski slope and his head landed on that instead right?

You talk shit and then some - Fact

[ross]

Fucking get real! The glove does take some of the force out, as you are all saying otherwise it would break a jaw!

Like I said about an air bag in a car, same principle. Still the same amount of force involved but there is something inbetween you and the impact to cushion the blow.

[Silkeyjoe]

Fucking get real! The glove does take some of the force out, as you are all saying otherwise it would break a jaw!

Like I said about an air bag in a car, same principle. Still the same amount of force involved but there is something inbetween you and the impact to cushion the blow.

Plenty of fighters have broken their jaws from punches with gloves. Funny how Chisora jaw wasn't broken from that bare knuckle punch. Mustn't have been thrown full force so.

[smashup]

Fucking get real! The glove does take some of the force out, as you are all saying otherwise it would break a jaw!

Like I said about an air bag in a car, same principle. Still the same amount of force involved but there is something inbetween you and the impact to cushion the blow.

Wrong again... airbags stop peoples heads going through windscreens

[AdamGB]

If an airbag was bone that was surrounded by a half inch sheaf of foam with the same density as a boxing glove - impact would kill...

'Air' bag... The clue is in the name Ross... A large, voluminous sack, full of air and low density materials has completelty different properties when it comes to deceleration than a compact and dense object.

Again, the density and volume of foam used in a boxing glove has a very small affect on acceleration (if anything it INCREASES mass, remember f=m x a!) of both the fist and cranium.

The padding mostly dissapates the return of force to the fist, which is more to do with Newton's third law of motion than the second.

[El Kabong]

Gloves and wraps just ease the minds of fighters so they throw punches with bad intentions