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117-111?
It was a clear 115-113 Lara in an uneventful fight with no one hurting the other man, dropping him or a fight breaking out.
Lara had a good, boring, gameplan and he outboxed and outran Canelo, who did do some good body work.
This was a similar fight to Algeri vs. Provodnikov, which I thought Provo won. I could maybe see someone who is a die hard Canelo fan seeing it 7-5 for their man or a draw.
bullshit last score, no way in hell did he win by 6 rounds, Canelo needs to follow Mayweather and give the guy a rematch, no problem with him getting the nod, but no way in hell did he win by 6 rounds, and now he's trying to act like a bad ass that he didn't get hit, your eye is busted up bitch so don't try and make it look like you are some tough piece of shit, it's boxing, and you don't know how to do that ginger
Lara took his foot off the gas and it cost him. A close decision was clearly going to go to Canelo. Wasn't blown away by either guy.
Martinez sound Hispanic. Almost like Lara doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Dildo man hovering in the background. Creepy.
Terrible scorecard and all this nonsense from Alvarez about 'One should hit and not run'. You were outlanded, you clown. Ginger head and ginger face, go get a room.
Alvarez is a conflicted boxer. He's also a dickhead for a guy who refused to press advantage and who timed out rounds.
There were 6 rounds that could be given to Canelo 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12. Not that he surely won all those but those could go to Alvarez.
Fuck boxing and that 117-111 bullshit that we all knew was coming.
Cotto moves better than Lara, and has better offense, he'd outbox the fuck out the ginger
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
He's a pampered bully. What can we expect?
He tried to outbox Mayweather the dense shit, here he sort of tried that again, BUT did some great body work.
It was a close fight, I had it 3-3 after 6. Bout 5-5 after 10. Lara took the last two CHAMPIONSHIP rounds and....
loses 117-111.
Was a rather shit fight though. lol
I'm struggling to be outraged by this. 115-113 was probably the right score, regardless of who won, but the rounds were so close that I could make a solid case for 117-111 either way.
A lot of those close rounds are probably judged by stylistic preference. I don't necessarily prefer the puncher/brawler, but I really can't stand the move halfway across the ring, throw a punch or two, then move back to the other side of the ring style. It's like watching tennis.
LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.
At the scorecards....http://i.imgur.com/jR8CNue.jpg
Pretty much. Lara is a good fighter. It was always gonna be a close fight. But Alvarez won. And I think it was deserved. People seem to forget or maybe just plain don't know that body shots counts as much head shotsQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Lara is a runner plain and simple. He did not earn a win
Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
I'm not seeing a problem with an Alvarez win.
I'd say that's not a problem, especially given the style. It's really the only practical punch to use consistently against someone using that much movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
Correction: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.
Very tough fight to score.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Funny. The vast majority of people are.
Check social media.
even the guy i bet with called me and told me even he thought Canelo lost. then precced to ask me when id pay him :mad:
Alvarez indeed won, but he is the guy who takes his foot off the gas. Lara simply did what Lara has always done ala Molina (just as close). If anyone thinks that was a full effort to impress and dictate terms by a kid or golden boy who needed it, god help em.
I had it undeniably 3-0 Lara after 3. Then I scored the fourth for Canelo. Thereafter I was obstructed by technical issues, but judged the rounds as fairly as the means could merit. I definitely saw Canelo come on in the middle rounds, but Lara came back strongly. Not in a million years could I ever see a case for 117-111 unless it was a White House spokesperson or the North Korean national press. I think most people can make at least a case for a close fight, but I saw 6 rounds that were relatively easy to score in Lara's favour. Now if he didn't win any other rounds, then fine, a draw, or if you are against me, a close Canelo win, but no sane person would ever produce 117-111. That is Federal Reserve behavior. Martinez should go into banking where he can work for not just one dildo crazed cokehead, but a whole plethora of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
Don't do it. Antisocial personality disorder. At least one.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Funny. The vast majority of people are.
Check social media.
Wouldn'y know where to start looking for this social media thign.
Lara DOMINATED the first 3 and then clearly won the 5th, and IMO the 8th, that's 5 rounds in his favor, so how the hell could he be down 6 points?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanCorrection: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.
Very tough fight to score.
Than make the fucking fight. He's had 3 chances to fight Alvarez. But hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
And I could do the same for a one point fight so it comes down to reason. Its not reasonable to score that fight 117/111 in any way shape or form based on a 10 point must system. I thought Lara won by a point or two and would have settled for a draw or a close split either way but once again the Martinez card stinks of a rubber stamp. Someone may be able to attempt an explanation as to why it was a 117/111 fight but it wouldn't be rational.
120-108 was me being kind of facetious, but Lara didn't dominate a single round. Lara himself wouldn't say he dominated a single round. Well, yes he would, but he would be utterly full of shit. Or have no idea what the word dominate means.
I was rooting for him fully, but he was too defensive. He can have no complaints (he'll complain).
He could have gotten off first, thrown two or three punches once Canelo got set, and then turned him. But he was too defensive, and the most meaningful punches of the fight were Canelo body shots.
Exactly. I have no issues with 2 of the cards, but that final card in particular is beyond any redemption. 117-111 did not happen and I assume most views will reflect that. Close fight perhaps, but to score a one sided fight? That is just gibberish. Too much of the Oscar powder methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesLara DOMINATED the first 3 and then clearly won the 5th, and IMO the 8th, that's 5 rounds in his favor, so how the hell could he be down 6 points?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanCorrection: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.
Very tough fight to score.
How did you score the first 3 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'm just quoting this to point out that someone thought that Lara DOMINATED the first 3 rounds. What in the holy fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesLara DOMINATED the first 3 and then clearly won the 5th, and IMO the 8th, that's 5 rounds in his favor, so how the hell could he be down 6 points?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanCorrection: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.
Very tough fight to score.
I gave the first three to Lara, but again I was rooting for him, like "stylists" and kind of have an irrational dislike for Canelo. He clearly came nowhere near to dominating those rounds ;D He barely landed anything meaningful whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow did you score the first 3 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Some people just can't score or are just plain stupid. I say both in this caseQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanI'm just quoting this to point out that someone thought that Lara DOMINATED the first 3 rounds. What in the holy fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesLara DOMINATED the first 3 and then clearly won the 5th, and IMO the 8th, that's 5 rounds in his favor, so how the hell could he be down 6 points?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanCorrection: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanNah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.
If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.
Very tough fight to score.
No, it wasn't domination, just the calculated picking off of a come forward fighter. Still that's 3 that we both agree on from the off. I'm sure there will be other rounds we agree on too, though I will need to watch them properly again due to stream chop. If you scored Lara the first 3 and then went to sleep, then for sure 117-111 Alvarez might make more sense. Most would agree it was close and a case can be made either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanI gave the first three to Lara, but again I was rooting for him, like "stylists" and kind of have an irrational dislike for Canelo. He clearly came nowhere near to dominating those rounds ;D He barely landed anything meaningful whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow did you score the first 3 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Alvarez vs Lara Highlights Alvarez-Lara - Highlights - Moevideo.net
I had Lara edging it. But I don't feel good about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNo, it wasn't domination, just the calculated picking off of a come forward fighter. Still that's 3 that we both agree on from the off. I'm sure there will be other rounds we agree on too, though I will need to watch them properly again due to stream chop. If you scored Lara the first 3 and then went to sleep, then for sure 117-111 Alvarez might make more sense. Most would agree it was close and a case can be made either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanI gave the first three to Lara, but again I was rooting for him, like "stylists" and kind of have an irrational dislike for Canelo. He clearly came nowhere near to dominating those rounds ;D He barely landed anything meaningful whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow did you score the first 3 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Granted, I've only watched it once, but the only round I feel good about scoring for Lara was the first.
He just didn't do enough. The best shots of the fight were Canelo's body shots. Easily the best shots.
Again, I feel like I could make a strong case for either guy winning that fight 117-111. The rounds were all close. There were no dominant rounds and I feel like this: "just the calculated picking off of a come forward fighter" is a bit much.
I had Canelo winning 116-112.
Lara ran too much, he fought like he was afraid. There's a difference between running and good ring generalship.
I'm not gonna lie. I am pretty wasted but Lara literally ran about 2/3 of every round. Every one here hates on mayweather for running. Lara literally ran 2/3 or more of the fight. It was a hard fight to score but it was only a fight when canelo made it one. So who really controlled the ring?
I had Lara winning 5 rounds and three of them were the first three. He can blame himself not the judges he really could have won this fight had he brought his testicles to the ring . He did did not stick and run . Lara ran, ran, ran stuck and ran, and ran even more from the 4th round on. The guy left his balls on the podium the night he disrepected Canelo in order to get the fight. Then he feels he can run for 12 rounds and think human juges are not going to forget. Had he not gotton the fight this macho way maybe just maybe the body shots go unnoticed. However these were some of the more clear and visible body shots i have ever seen because they were placed on a runaway marathon chicken carnival target. The fight seemed to just run by so quick thanks to Lara. People were expecting an exciting fight not a game of tag. This does not even qualify as tag because you have to touch someone first in tag not run first like Lara did.
Canelo could have challenged Laras manhood for the lack of bravado he displayed. Instead he just emphasized on how Lara just ran and jabbed all night. As for the rematch "Bingo" learn to fight when you challenage a man's manlihood.
No way I give Lara a rematch if I am Canelo. If I am Canelo I am thinking : you dispected me and had a chance to beat me and decided to run. ( must not of wanted the fight all that bad) .
I'll take Mexican boxing over Pussy Cuban Boxing anyday. I am laughing how Lara referenced Cuban boxing to Military like. If that is the case their miltary is adept at taunting and running away from opponents like little grade school boys.
I am now re-watching Toney-Jirov to see how to box a come forward body puncher.
No one will ever re-watch Canelo-Lara.