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Take from the rich? you are off your rocker ;D
The only people being triggered are the idiot toffs in their luxury flats and You Lyle. Everything comes down to money for you, or more precisely the elevation of what you think capitalism means, to a point where you don't respect other countries or human beings. It makes you a dick. Why are you lecturing me on Insurance? Is that your job or something? I give up you are a lost cause. Fuck it
And here he is....Internet Champion for the Poor!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
BEANZ!!!!!!
I ask a question, you find it offensive, I explain why the question was asked, you find the question offensive....you're the champion of the poor, you win Beanz, you win, you're the most caring, you've got the biggest bleeding heart....HUZZAH Beanz AND NOBODY ELSE cares about the poor....got that.......NOBODY OTHER THAN BEANZ CARES!!!!!
Yay you! Wow, how awesome are you?
I am poor, you idiot. It's incredibly difficult to work and care fulltime for someone who is disabled. So yeah, call it what you like.
I asked a very easily answerable question, which ONLY YOU took offense to....you live whatever life you live, I'm just looking at a screen on this end and you're just looking at a screen on that end. You took the time, the effort, and the emotional capital to place values on me or rather lack of values on me....and you know just as much about my living circumstances as I know about yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Miles stop being a drama Queen. I am not bitter, you and Lyle and Brockton are the bitter cunts. Nothing but negativity and poor me. I have been triggered by the poor, the gays, the chavs, the Immigrants, the Lefties, the feminists, the liberal elite, the EU, the PC police, it's a never ending list. You are all shit posters and should fuck off. Ha! There I said it. Happy? (:
Ha! Get over yourself. Where are all my bitter threads? They don't exist. The opposite side of my road is council housing so don't fucking lecture me about how my neighbours are unsavoury from south Korea. The club my coach ran and i still support is on a council estate. Many of the boxers I know live on council estates. You are all a bit weird let's be honest. Triggered, snowfkakes, bi-polar? You sound like teenagers not men.
The overwhelming tragedy is the huge loss of life. No one who is a human being is debating that. The WTC mentioned in the opening post was another overwhelming loss of life. Lives lost and families forever affected. Beyond that, there is the reality of money. The building's cladding was combustible, or at least not fire-retardant. That type of fact normally opens up the scenario for humongous lawsuits. Money won't bring back dead relatives... but it should at least lessen the economic impact of their loss. Obviously, this is a process that takes time, and there's the matter of housing survivors. To ignore or shrug off the complaints voiced by some if they feel someone else is being given something for free, that they themselves have to pay dearly for, is to be a bit naive, IMO. Some of the complaints say that their own costs will probably go up as a result of these relocations. Someone with authority should probably be addressing these people, who again, no matter how callous they may sound, have reasonable complaints. Details should be explained. Is this temporary? Is other, alternative housing being sought? How will their concerns be addressed? It can't be easy for some of these people to speak up, for fear of sounding exactly that..... callous. It's not a matter of equating one thing with the other. Loss of life is the greatest tragedy of all. We all mourn it. But life continues, and more mundane problems begin to surface.
This thread has fallen along predictable "party lines" and it's all well and good. But I doubt very seriously that any one of us here is actually minimizing the gravity of the tragedy. What would be unforgivable is for all efforts not to be exhausted in getting to the bottom of the cladding issue, and holding the guilty parties at least financially responsible for what has happened.
Nice sentiment Tito. Shocking though it may seem I think you are wrong and that there is more than one poster not in the least bit moved by it. It's pretty basic stuff but unbelievably hijacking tragedy for furthering someone's own political agenda is the new "Normal" on Saddo. And that really stinks. Horrendous.
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Originally Posted by Beanz
Knowing each other only through keyboards tends to dehumanize us sometimes, I think. We see the written words, but we don't see the body language. The smirks, the smiles, the raised eyebrows, etc. I understand that through years of knowing each other it may seem like some of us are incapable of being moved by tragedy. But I don't know..... that would be hard to swallow.
There are some differences, to be sure. Some of us here believe in capital punishment..... others don't. Some of us here wouldn't raise an eyebrow at hearing of a terrorist being executed or blown to smithereens. Others say a life is a life. Political differences a a dime a dozen. I still haven't been able to convince Lyle that I'm right regarding gun control. ;D The cultures thread was pretty good and brought out some heartfelt differences.
What it is, I think, is that many of us "shoot from the hip"..... and things usually go downhill from there. ;D
There you go again, lecturing on don't speak about my country from yours but you have madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
10,000 posts lecturing America. It's almost crazy. Do u really not see it or are you having a piss
I am so much better than beanz in terms of being self-aware it's not even funny. I openly admit that I have obsessive compulsive disorder I openly admit it!!! I have announced it and shown my face ....beanz on the other hand hides all of his disorders ....claims to have none whatsoever while the rest of the forum all points out all of his neurotic abnormalities. That's the difference between me and beans. I can admit that I have obsessive compulsive disorder he cannot ADMIT a damn thing at all. That tells it all right there
Could be the tip of the iceberg. Didn't they find numerous other properties with like materials and violations? The thought of being stuck in an apartment as fire breaks out is quite the pucker-factor. My very first apt was pretty damn bad and depending on what your neighbor cooked for dinner the smoke alarms would blare. Got to the point where you keep a couple bags packed near the door.
Yeah "almost"Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusThere you go again, lecturing on don't speak about my country from yours but you have madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
10,000 posts lecturing America. It's almost crazy. Do u really not see it or are you having a piss
You don't think miles is judging people? You clearly wasn't following our discussion then because that's entirely what it was about.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI don't think Miles is judging anybody at all I think too much is being read into his commentsQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTrue, there are hundreds of thousands of excellent and talented teachers out there and people can dedicate themselves to it if they want to. I do the best I can, but I have my flaws like anyone. You do the best you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I am a unique and precious snowflake, Fenster. We all are. That other man is just angry though.
He can speak for himself too, he doesn't need a wingman. When you say something it's down to you not anyone else. The same goes for Beanz, Lyle, me and every other person on this forum. I'm not in anyones bum-club/gang, i'm not right or left, liberal or conservative, pro/anti-Trump/Corbyn.
Depending on any particular subject I will disagree with people that I like/respect and at the same time think someone is a complete and utter wanker yet be in full agreement with them.
Today 75 buildings have so far failed there fire test it seems theses buildings are unsafe for human habitation truly I know people need a home but in fact how safe can you make a tower block.
The way the building went up in flames shit you dont stand much chance of getting out alive.
Miles I agree with some of your points but mate I know many fine people on council estates,! mate do not forget your roots Mr Corbyn would be horrified with and your opinion lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfYes, I was judging the more nefarious elements found within council estates. You all know they exist. In America it is the ghetto, in the UK it is found in the council estate. I am not even sure why there is such a problem with me not wanting to be around the work shy, drug addicts or teenage mothers. I have never at any stage said that all people on housing estates are scum, or that they are all unemployed, or that they are all destined for failure or anything like that. Those were images conjured up by others. I merely stated that I don't like being around the bad people and I think most people would agree with that sentiment. Who threatens to stab a dog after trespassing through a garden and being barked at? Who likes drug dealers? Who wants a society that rewards teenage mothers yet makes it hard for sensible people don't have children straight away? Who wants hoodlums with nothing to do harrassing the public? It's not good, yet I am seemingly the bad guy to some because I criticise it. It's very strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou don't think miles is judging people? You clearly wasn't following our discussion then because that's entirely what it was about.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI don't think Miles is judging anybody at all I think too much is being read into his commentsQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTrue, there are hundreds of thousands of excellent and talented teachers out there and people can dedicate themselves to it if they want to. I do the best I can, but I have my flaws like anyone. You do the best you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I am a unique and precious snowflake, Fenster. We all are. That other man is just angry though.
He can speak for himself too, he doesn't need a wingman. When you say something it's down to you not anyone else. The same goes for Beanz, Lyle, me and every other person on this forum. I'm not in anyones bum-club/gang, i'm not right or left, liberal or conservative, pro/anti-Trump/Corbyn.
Depending on any particular subject I will disagree with people that I like/respect and at the same time think someone is a complete and utter wanker yet be in full agreement with them.
Yes dead heads thick bastards etc nobody has the monopoly on theses people or were they live
I have meet plenty of bad people who really have nice house etc, which are not council house rats as some would call them.
Miles you are becoming a little bit of a snob nothing wrong in bettering yourself mate ! but remember dont have delusions of grandeur mate
Not everybody in society can aspire to your highs mate people are what they are not to our taste maybe whats the answer gas chambers.;D
I'm not going through it all again
I'm not going through it all again, miles.
And you wonder why people call each other a cunt. Why not? Anything else is a total waste of time.
Basically every debate on here consists of one person ranting about a group of people that piss them off, someone offers a different view, then a few dullards pop up to offer support to whomever their pal is without offering anything to the actual topic, then a whole bunch of boring ad hominem occurs.
No-one ever admits they were wrong or accepts someone has made a valid counter-point, no, it's just defend, defend, defend, defend until they convince themselves they're the poor persecuted "victim," they're being unfairly picked on for having an opinion.
Poor little ole me, all I said is ******, all I meant was ******, I never said all ******.
MAN UP!!! Cunts!!! Rotters!!!
Miles you sound like a character in a sketch show. Paul Whitehouse and Harry Enfield would have a field day ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Some people have one group of "dullards" that comes to their defense...... other people have another group. The forum mirrors life, and is no different than any other debate in any other forum, and spills out into real life. So what else is new. However, some people ARE capable of admitting they're wrong about a certain point.... some people ARE capable of modifying their position, if shown the error of their thought process.... again..... just like real life. People given to being drama queens will continue to do so. People given to sit on an imaginary throne will continue to do so. Again.... what else is new. People who are prone to being intimidated by strong opinions and those who express them will continue to be intimidated, even in a forum. C'est la vie. Move on.
Miles life is a rocky road mate you would have to say but you have got on dont feel ashamed were you come from feel proud mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Remember this debate about the scum bags shit bags weed smoking idiots is down to eduction
or lack of in most cases.
Miles as a educator you should be well aware of this so in some cases you have to cut people some slack they cant help being thick fuckers.
Council houses are for people and a small minority may just not be to the best mate I can see your points but hell you turned out okay so there is more good than bad, take it from me.;)
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
Fence? How is seeing all sides stemming from an unspeakable tragedy translated into fence-sitting? :-\
But to answer your questions:
a) No.
b) No.
Although to qualify my answer on B, I'm not happy with anyone who cheats the system and basically lives off the taxes we working-folks pay..... be they neighbors of mine or not. Anyone raising 6 kids, and who fraudulently claims disability in order to get government handouts is not only a burden to the rest of us, but a bad example to their own children.
I believe that Welfare although a good idea, hurts the people it intends to help. Welfare and the Community Reinvestment Act have damn near destroyed the Black 2 parent household and what a boon to society THAT has been :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Fence? How is seeing all sides stemming from an unspeakable tragedy translated into fence-sitting? :-\
But to answer your questions:
a) No.
b) No.
Although to qualify my answer on B, I'm not happy with anyone who cheats the system and basically lives off the taxes we working-folks pay..... be they neighbors of mine or not. Anyone raising 6 kids, and who fraudulently claims disability in order to get government handouts is not only a burden to the rest of us, but a bad example to their own children.
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Originally Posted by El KabongI believe that Welfare although a good idea, hurts the people it intends to help. Welfare and the Community Reinvestment Act have damn near destroyed the Black 2 parent household and what a boon to society THAT has been :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Fence? How is seeing all sides stemming from an unspeakable tragedy translated into fence-sitting? :-\
But to answer your questions:
a) No.
b) No.
Although to qualify my answer on B, I'm not happy with anyone who cheats the system and basically lives off the taxes we working-folks pay..... be they neighbors of mine or not. Anyone raising 6 kids, and who fraudulently claims disability in order to get government handouts is not only a burden to the rest of us, but a bad example to their own children.
..... and it's entirely the government's fault. A bunch of lazy politicians, too lazy to actually write laws that work and make sense. Instead, putting a band-aid on everything just like they treat every other issue. People will take what's given to them. You give them something for free, they'll continue to hold out their hand.
Politicians and their half-baked ideas are the scourge of humanity, and have caused many of the societal problems we face today. It's most likely a universal problem, though, and not limited to the US.
Well it's politicians, it's human behavioral psychology, it's a lot of things and everyone suffers because of it. The impoverished are robbed of their dignity and their work ethic, they're punished if they attempt to improve their station in life (at least from the start they're punished by welfare benefits being taken away, it's not an insurmountable task but it's more difficult to do the whole pick yourself up by the boot straps deal because of that), tax payers flip the bill for this and there's much better things to spend money on (when we're talking about young, able bodied people who have resigned from attempting to work), you get higher crime, you get broken families, you get a perpetuation of the cycle of poverty, dreams get crushed, the will of someone to be somebody in this world is crushed.....and what do we as a society want to accomplish? We want people not to starve or be homeless, but as people we have more needs than just those things working doing a good job, helping out being a contributing member of society, that feels good, that makes a person feel proud.....but oh well the system hasn't worked for a while we'll just wait until it gets so bad that we HAVE to do something different. It's a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by El KabongWell it's politicians, it's human behavioral psychology, it's a lot of things and everyone suffers because of it. The impoverished are robbed of their dignity and their work ethic, they're punished if they attempt to improve their station in life (at least from the start they're punished by welfare benefits being taken away, it's not an insurmountable task but it's more difficult to do the whole pick yourself up by the boot straps deal because of that), tax payers flip the bill for this and there's much better things to spend money on (when we're talking about young, able bodied people who have resigned from attempting to work), you get higher crime, you get broken families, you get a perpetuation of the cycle of poverty, dreams get crushed, the will of someone to be somebody in this world is crushed.....and what do we as a society want to accomplish? We want people not to starve or be homeless, but as people we have more needs than just those things working doing a good job, helping out being a contributing member of society, that feels good, that makes a person feel proud.....but oh well the system hasn't worked for a while we'll just wait until it gets so bad that we HAVE to do something different. It's a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
This right here is the key element in why I insist the government is entirely to blame.
John Doe gets $1,000/month in welfare benefits. He wants to improve in life, so he gets a job which pays him $1,050/month. The government promptly rules that John is ineligible for any further help, so John is left with the same income, only now he has the related expenses in order to hold down his job. He then decides it's not worth it, and he's better off living off welfare.
It's a shitty system, baked up by lazy politicians who can't be bothered to tweak programs in such a way that they help people instead of hurting them.
Seriously guys I don't want to unnecessarily offend you, but you are so missing the point. This is about a UK tragedy that happened precisely people were valued less than private companies making a huge profit. This is what happens when people are conditioned to think of people in different circumstances than them as being fundamentally different "a burden". The fact is that the biggest demographic in the UK that rely on some kind of welfare are THE WORKING POOR. This is exaggerated further in London, and then again in a borough like Kensington and Chelsea, where foreign billionaires, many of whom don't actually occupy the properties they have invested in, drive the prices up to such an unrealistic level that the people who clean their apartments, the plumbers who install their bathrooms, the bus drivers who ferry the tourists around etc can not afford to rent a property for £4000 a month and so live in social housing. They are working. The rent is partly subsidized by the Government to make it affordable.
Then consider against this that the Government has been pushing an austerity agenda that has seen huge cuts to public services so that people working as civil servants, probation officers, court admin, fire and hospital service personnel have had not only their wages cut year on year, but their ability to respond. So the government this week who found billions for the Queen and some former protestant terrorists in Northern Ireland allowed councils to cut fire safety regulations and use inflammable cladding. They cut fire fighters wages and the former Tory mayor of London laughed about cutting the amount of fire engine vehicles etc, and now it turns out the council had millions of pounds of tax payers money in the bank. On top of that virtually every single social housing high rise building they have tested around the country is turning out to have used dangerous cut price materials to save money, have no sprinklers and often blocked or unusable fire escapes.
It's enormous. It is the result of an ideology in which the Queen and the MPS get a pay rise and ordinary working people are told there is no money. No money for doctors or nurses or veterans or the disabled or teachers or schools or hospitals, but millions of pounds of tax payers money in private developers pockets and bank accounts who could not even be bothered to use materials for a few pounds extra that would resist fire.
It has nothing to do with Welfare and that is why being worried about the property rights of some rich bastard who does not want the working poor living NEXT DOOR is so offensive. In the grand scheme of things it matters little and they have no right to dictate such nonsense.
I will answer for you even though neither has fuck all to do with the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
a) Not really...but
What does that have to do with anything? Gay people don't want to bum you or other straight people, and many probably have no wish to bum each other.(most lesbians for starters) Plenty of straight men bum their wives and lovers and they have other options, so using your rational they must be even more "abnormal". Many straight men will stick their Johnson in anything including water melons, chopped meat and apple pie so are they "abnormal".
b) I have had some great neighbours and some truly horrendous ones. The worst were those in privately owned houses and the best were those who lived in Council housing. Who cares? It's quite an offensive post though and I will tell you why. It assumes that they are somehow representative of people living on council estates and the disabled. The vast majority of the disabled in this country are genuine. They have died in large numbers over the last few years because of austerity measures imposed by those who think like you. So much so that I have actually seen a blind person with their guide dog having to fight for their allowance so that they could carry on working. It's beyond callous, and the worry of what is a tiny percentage of shysters ripping off the system has seen scores of genuinely disabled people fucked over. Not only throwing out the baby with the bath water but paying medically untrained American companies to overturn doctors decisions and actually cost the tax payer more in overturned appeal decisions, than the money they could have saved if they simply helped more disabled to work.
I am not going to go into great detail but you have said this for years because you seem to have no genuine understanding of what it's like to be disabled or how dearly most disabled people would love to work.
I feel passionately about this because ATOS an American company, declared me unfit to work and I lost my job in the civil service and then the same American company 6 weeks later ruled that I was fit to work and should receive no help.I found work myself by retraining to be a student support worker and funding the qualifications myself. Technically according to most criteria ( my GP and several consultants) I would be considered disabled, but not according to the company the government use to asses. I don't claim disability and never have.
I am not alone there are many much worse off than me and sweeping generalizations like you used above do not help things.
Well ACTUALLY the thread was started by smashup who compared 9/11 to Grenfell tower and pondered as to why one kept standing and the other collapsed, the other being the WTC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
But the thread was hijacked to talk only about the poor people in 1 event and not a comparison of the two events....IF we're being honest and not playing revisionist history about this, but I suppose I'll be lectured about this response as well.
Uh...OkQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell ACTUALLY the thread was started by smashup who compared 9/11 to Grenfell tower and pondered as to why one kept standing and the other collapsed, the other being the WTC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
But the thread was hijacked to talk only about the poor people in 1 event and not a comparison of the two events....IF we're being honest and not playing revisionist history about this, but I suppose I'll be lectured about this response as well.
Don't know what happened to the other Grenfell thread. Don't think there is a lot of mileage in comparing the WTC and Grenfell events though.
What toss pot rubbish from a crumpet wanking sod.
Actually I made an error in one of my previous posts. It turns out that it's not virtually every building tested that has failed the fire safety tests. It is actually EVERY building of the 65 checked so far
"Sixty high-rise buildings in 25 local authority areas have failed cladding fire tests, with every sample so far assessed falling short of the safety threshold.
Substandard cladding has been found on social housing across England, from Plymouth, Norwich and Manchester to Sunderland and Stockton-on-Tees.
Last week Theresa May promised an emergency assessment of up to 100 buildings a day, but the alarming results, and the 100 per cent failure rate of the high-priority samples so far, have prompted calls for the testing process to be accelerated....."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...test-2shpk0ddw
What is your obsession with this? There are fires everyday in all urban and other areas? What has touched off your activism.so hotly with this? Ffs 79 people??? FUCK!!! 440.Chinese were.just.crushed by faulty construction in Fujian Province and NOT A FUCKING PEEP FROM YOUR ASS. #ChineseLivesMatter
I'M SO VERY VERY SORRY IF MY QUESTION OFFENDS YOU PLEASE DON'T BE ANGRY I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS OK TO DO THESE DAYS
So the "borough councils" they have money due to taxes or what?
Wow
How can the pair of you be so offended by the reporting of facts ? What is wrong with you both that you would want so badly to start a fight in a thread like this. It's all just a joke for you two then is it?
Yes it's called "council tax" and everyone pays it whether they are in private or council housing but at different rates. Rebates were given to the rich. Rob from the poor give to the rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The Conservative council responsible for the tower block where at least 79 people died in a fire described by the mayor of London as preventable has stockpiled £274m of reserves and offered rebates to residents paying the top rate of council tax.
According to the latest accounts, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ran a budget surplus, which Labour councillors have claimed was being used as a slush fund to bribe voters with a rebate close to elections.
A draft statement of Kensington and Chelsea’s accounts for 2016-17 disclosed that the council has an “AA” credit rating and a financial standing described as robust, with “usable reserves at 31 March 2017 of £274m (£300m at 31 March 2016
The council has been relieved of responsibility for taking care of the survivors of the disaster, having struggled to cope with the aftermath of the deadly blaze. A new Grenfell fire response team, made up of representatives from central government, the British Red Cross, the Metropolitan police, London-wide local and regional government and the London fire brigade, will now coordinate efforts.....
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...budget-surplus
Only asking a question thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I'm not offended you shmuck I'm asking a fucking question and you just can't wait to clutch your fucking pearls every single fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I asked the question BECAUSE.....you know what, forget it, forget I asked anything, I am fucking finished communicating with you at all, I've had it you're too much of a pussy to be talked to.
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Originally Posted by BeanzYes it's called "council tax" and everyone pays it whether they are in private or council housing but at different rates. Rebates were given to the rich. Rob from the poor give to the rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The Conservative council responsible for the tower block where at least 79 people died in a fire described by the mayor of London as preventable has stockpiled £274m of reserves and offered rebates to residents paying the top rate of council tax.
According to the latest accounts, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ran a budget surplus, which Labour councillors have claimed was being used as a slush fund to bribe voters with a rebate close to elections.
A draft statement of Kensington and Chelsea’s accounts for 2016-17 disclosed that the council has an “AA” credit rating and a financial standing described as robust, with “usable reserves at 31 March 2017 of £274m (£300m at 31 March 2016
The council has been relieved of responsibility for taking care of the survivors of the disaster, having struggled to cope with the aftermath of the deadly blaze. A new Grenfell fire response team, made up of representatives from central government, the British Red Cross, the Metropolitan police, London-wide local and regional government and the London fire brigade, will now coordinate efforts.....
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...budget-surplus
Too late
go fuck yourself
I've reported you to the Mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalfa) Hey, no buts....or do you mean no butts? Either way thank you for confirming that you do think it is somewhat irregular behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzI will answer for you even though neither has fuck all to do with the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
a) Not really...but
What does that have to do with anything? Gay people don't want to bum you or other straight people, and many probably have no wish to bum each other.(most lesbians for starters) Plenty of straight men bum their wives and lovers and they have other options, so using your rational they must be even more "abnormal". Many straight men will stick their Johnson in anything including water melons, chopped meat and apple pie so are they "abnormal".
b) I have had some great neighbours and some truly horrendous ones. The worst were those in privately owned houses and the best were those who lived in Council housing. Who cares? It's quite an offensive post though and I will tell you why. It assumes that they are somehow representative of people living on council estates and the disabled. The vast majority of the disabled in this country are genuine. They have died in large numbers over the last few years because of austerity measures imposed by those who think like you. So much so that I have actually seen a blind person with their guide dog having to fight for their allowance so that they could carry on working. It's beyond callous, and the worry of what is a tiny percentage of shysters ripping off the system has seen scores of genuinely disabled people fucked over. Not only throwing out the baby with the bath water but paying medically untrained American companies to overturn doctors decisions and actually cost the tax payer more in overturned appeal decisions, than the money they could have saved if they simply helped more disabled to work.
I am not going to go into great detail but you have said this for years because you seem to have no genuine understanding of what it's like to be disabled or how dearly most disabled people would love to work.
I feel passionately about this because ATOS an American company, declared me unfit to work and I lost my job in the civil service and then the same American company 6 weeks later ruled that I was fit to work and should receive no help.I found work myself by retraining to be a student support worker and funding the qualifications myself. Technically according to most criteria ( my GP and several consultants) I would be considered disabled, but not according to the company the government use to asses. I don't claim disability and never have.
I am not alone there are many much worse off than me and sweeping generalizations like you used above do not help things.
b) You are speaking a lot about the disabled there. The fact that she has so many children and no father figure is also problematic too. I have known people who have claimed disability for years and there has been nothing seriously wrong or anything stopping them getting a job. A lot of people don't want to work Beanz and given the choice many wouldn't. I don't think it is offensive to say that. I think many able bodied people given the choice of working or not working would probably prefer not to be working too. You have people with anxiety disorders saying that they cannot work, but are they even getting the CBT they need, have they considered giving up alcohol, have they even looked for a job not dealing with the general public? I have an anxiety disorder, but I get out there and work in front of lots of people. Not sure why this particular woman would be getting a free pass to do nothing, while others have to earn money then pay their taxes towards her lifestyle choices.
Before you call me a selfish Tory, I am obviously not a selfish Tory, I just think society is about everyone working hard and making better choices together. It isn't just about giving to people no questions asked. Obviously more serious conditions like having brain damage, or missing limbs complicates issues and I am far more understanding. I am not callous, just quite aware that some take the mickey as with teenage Mums and some on disability.
In terms of what is going on with the buildings around the UK. Well, it is quite shocking. What kind of country do you have going on there? No money but 1.5 billion to buy a handful of DUP votes? There should be an immediate election to get this sorted once and for all. The public should be in outrage and protesting about the buying of DUP votes while people around the country are put in danger and told 'There is no money tree'. The Tories are done.
You're clearly making a play for me, I won't abide this while you're still with walrus....you can't play with a person's heart like that!