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Lets be honest the major reason we'll tune into Wilder v Breazeale is to see if he can do better than AJ did in knocking him out. Talk about low hanging fruit.
Or AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
So AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.
Parker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSo AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.
I like AJ as much as the next man. But I reckon it’s a bit blasé to think he’s “too skilled” for Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterParker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSo AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.
I honestly believe Povetkin of 5 years ago would probably beat the AJ of now.
Maybe Povetkin has gone slightly over the hill and the (deserved) drugs bans have fucked up his momentum, but I still think he gives AJ Problems.
The Povetkin version that fought Wlad would give AJ problems but that was 5 yaers ago and he is not the same fighter as he was then. He has slowed down and looks more vulnerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI like AJ as much as the next man. But I reckon it’s a bit blasé to think he’s “too skilled” for Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterParker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSo AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.
I honestly believe Povetkin of 5 years ago would probably beat the AJ of now.
Maybe Povetkin has gone slightly over the hill and the (deserved) drugs bans have fucked up his momentum, but I still think he gives AJ Problems.
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Originally Posted by MasterThe Povetkin version that fought Wlad would give AJ problems but that was 5 yaers ago and he is not the same fighter as he was then. He has slowed down and looks more vulnerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI like AJ as much as the next man. But I reckon it’s a bit blasé to think he’s “too skilled” for Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterParker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSo AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.
I honestly believe Povetkin of 5 years ago would probably beat the AJ of now.
Maybe Povetkin has gone slightly over the hill and the (deserved) drugs bans have fucked up his momentum, but I still think he gives AJ Problems.
The Povetkin version that fought Wlad would ask AJ to jump on his back repeatedly throughout the fight, just for old times sake.
I believe that AJ rose to the height of his career when he defeated Vladimir. He will never be able to Eclipse that performance.
He is right for the taken especially after two piss poor performances
That may be true, but you are beginning to sanctify AJ Like is the second coming of Muhammad Ali when you say he’s too skilled for an experienced guy like Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Povetkin version that fought Wlad would give AJ problems but that was 5 yaers ago and he is not the same fighter as he was then. He has slowed down and looks more vulnerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI like AJ as much as the next man. But I reckon it’s a bit blasé to think he’s “too skilled” for Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterParker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSo AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.
I honestly believe Povetkin of 5 years ago would probably beat the AJ of now.
Maybe Povetkin has gone slightly over the hill and the (deserved) drugs bans have fucked up his momentum, but I still think he gives AJ Problems.
Like I said, I like AJ, but he has a lot of improving to do . At this moment, he is a physically chiselled best of a bad bunch.
Yea @Master is starting to enter AJ fan boy territory.
If you think that Povetkin of five years ago would beat AJ today then you either think that AJ is awful or you are really overrating Povetkin.
I've been saying for a long time Povetkin will iron Wilder and is Joshua's biggest threat. He's not flashy, has no bells and whistles but he's the most rock solid all-round fundamentally, easily proven to be the toughest, years of top-class experience, certainly has the pop (explosive slip inside left hook has got the big boys names written all over it) and although methodical, produces enough bursts to always be dangerous.
The Wlad fight is basically irrelevant (styles and all.. plus he didn't look like he had the supercow pumping through his veins then), however, Wlad should have been DQ'd in the first round, needed to make in a non-fight and still couldn't get rid of him.
Wilder and Joshua will try to take his head off which inturn gives him a great chance of taking theirs
Will AJ try and do that or will AJ stick to the more cautious approach that we saw against Parker?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yeah AJ will most definitely show the refined maturity he did against Parker, rightly so, however, that still makes it a boxing/punchers match, he wont spoil, smother on the inside and constantly climb on top of Povetkin like Wlad did.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanWill AJ try and do that or will AJ stick to the more cautious approach that we saw against Parker?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Granted AJ has improved big time from the amateurs, however, anyone that thinks Povetkin isn't a threat needs to watch some of those eastern euros giving AJ kittens back then. Styles... left hooks.
Stop that! I am just saying AJ beats Povetkin as easily as he did Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Say it all you want, it’s just wrong. Why not make it simple and offer him 35%. You and I both know the answer. FTR Wilder has responded offering the flat 50 AJ said he wanted. Bet AJ doesn’t accept, why, we both know why, not because AJ is scared, because NOBODY accepts a flat fee when a percentage is worth moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Flat 50 ? Did I miss this? I may have done. Link please . Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSay it all you want, it’s just wrong. Why not make it simple and offer him 35%. You and I both know the answer. FTR Wilder has responded offering the flat 50 AJ said he wanted. Bet AJ doesn’t accept, why, we both know why, not because AJ is scared, because NOBODY accepts a flat fee when a percentage is worth moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Regarding the “offer him 35%” smokescreen, read my post And stop choosing to ignore it. (I’ve put it in bold to help you. Don’t mention it.);):cool:
Fucking hell Ron, I just noticed , your reply just now was to my post from 5 DAYS AGO!
Suppose I won’t hold my breath waiting for a reply to my post above this one! ;D;D
I’ve read it “Eddie says it is worth...” Eddie is a liar. You’ll be reading all about Wilders flat 50 offer in the next day, it’s made. And they won’t accept because they won’t risk upside, nobody does. Flat offers are fake offers. PAC didn’t accept from Floyd, Floyd didn’t accept from PAC, GGG LAUGHED at the flat offer from Canelo even though it was a career high. Because NOBODY accepts a flat offer, it’s stupid to do so in a potential large grossing fight. Again, a flat offer is a fake offer. They’re made to get people to fall for “well it’s a career high” “well it’s XXX much more than they make” duuuuh, it’s a bigger fight than ever before. Of course it’s more money. AJ will make more than he has ever made too. When they finally agree on a percentage, how fights are done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraFlat 50 ? Did I miss this? I may have done. Link please . Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSay it all you want, it’s just wrong. Why not make it simple and offer him 35%. You and I both know the answer. FTR Wilder has responded offering the flat 50 AJ said he wanted. Bet AJ doesn’t accept, why, we both know why, not because AJ is scared, because NOBODY accepts a flat fee when a percentage is worth moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Regarding the “offer him 35%” smokescreen, read my post And stop choosing to ignore it. (I’ve put it in bold to help you. Don’t mention it.);):cool:
And again, there is absolutely no risk in offering 35%. None!
Already trickling our, I haven’t read this yet but the headline suggests...
https://www.boxingscene.com/team-wil...cation--127535
Keep in mind this is 50 million plus 50/50 on the upside. If it does 200 AJ gets 100. If it does 20 AJ still gets 50.
Why so quiet in here?
AJ has 24 hours to sign... just there's no contract let alone money.
AJ tweeted "lets roll"
Hearn said they're interested if it's legit, they have no problem going to Vegas if that's where they want it, although you'll be pleased to hear he thinks it's all nonsense, he called it a nice publicity stunt considering they have a meeting scheduled Friday, they haven't got the money and they know AJ has existing contracts which would have to remain intact.
It's for after Wilder fights Breazeale, there's no rematch clause and they get 50% of everything, all the British PPV etc.
Now carry on claiming AJ is ducking Wilder and Hearn is a bullshitter, you'll be claiming it all through the Breazeale fight even though they always planned to fight him.
Typical Fenster coming in with deception, show one time I said AJ was ducking Wilder. Hint, you can’t because I’ve never said it. For once be f’n honest
I’m waiting liester, man up and show it
Also typical of Fenster’s deception it is not 24 hours to sign as he says. It is 24 hours to respond. These are very different things. But he knows that and is just deceiving
I was talking to the entire thread, Ron, not just you. So, so paranoid. Relax young man, relax.
Was you especially waiting for someone to have a go at? ;D
I'm not your enemy.
Whatever you say i'll agree with it to make you feel better. Go on...
Could just say “what I said wasn’t true”, that’s the way to squash beefs
I haven't got any beef.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Lets talk about Wilder and Joshua.
Where do you think they've got $50m from for AJ? You was adamant that Hearn's flat fee was a sign he was deceiving everyone, right?
It wasn’t just a flat fee. It was no date, no venue, no restrictions on fights before it was enacted. It would have only been Wilder signing on to fight when Eddie chose to fight for 12.5 flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI haven't got any beef.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Lets talk about Wilder and Joshua.
Where do you think they've got $50m from for AJ? You was adamant that Hearn's flat fee was a sign he was deceiving everyone, right?
Frankly the information I had been given was bad too. I was told they were putting together a flat 50 offer. Which as I said before I saw that was wrong I considered a fake offer as well. Flat offers usually are fake.
I have no love for Wilder but Eddie has been caught lying repeatedly in this. As far as I was told Haymon was coming up with the money because Dibella didn’t have it(why I’ve went silent on this matter for 5 days, was hearing things I couldn’t say). I hope AJ smashes him to bits. But hearing Eddie BS was driving me crazy. Actually hearing people repeat Eddie’s BS was what was driving me crazy. “Nobody knows Wilder”, well then how has he got the best ratings in the US for years? But despite the evidence people repeated it.
I just want to see the fight and when I see people pretend to try to make a fight it irks me. Like Eddie not taking Dibella’s calls, lying about that then getting caught in his lie on the radio when Wilder and Dibella called in. Then he goes to meet them and fake negotiates for a day, a frickin day. Even Parker said he wasn’t worried, he was getting the fight because Eddie didn’t want the fight yet. Hell, even Eddie said he didn’t want the fight yet. It would have to be demanded. Well, it has been demanded, I hope Eddie gets out of the way because I have faith in AJ(although he blatantly lied too with the whole he can’t get in the ring, I didn’t say he can’t get in the ring just he needs a contract, Fury can get in the ring week of lies)
59 million quids just for Joshua. ... amazing if it's true, I am doubtful though, joshuav parker viewing figures was under half a million, klitschko v jennings got over 1.5 million and Americans have no idea who jennings is. I can't believe they can make enough money from this to even pay joshua that let alone make money and pay wilder too :S wilder ortiz was around 1.1 million viewers which is nice but still that's not going to make hundreds of millions, unless it's on the undercard of Brock lesnar v Rhoda rousey :S
I would think povetkin team will push for the fight, and then both guys have an excuse for it not to happen, wilder gets to ramble "well I want all the belts" and offer a lower number, joshua and Hearn repeat there goal is to own all four belts. Wilders goes to fight breazeale instead, and we reopen this thread in 6 months or so.
It’s not instead, the contract is for the end of the year. Wilder fights Breazeale, AJ fights Povetkin, then they meet at the end of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
My bad palmerq, it would indeed be the next fight
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ification-bout
I’m already reading Eddie put on a spin “we have to accept by Thursday”, making it seem like they must sign. No, you can accept in principle, on good faith. If you then read a contract that doesn’t make sense you don’t sign.
“We need to know where the money is coming from”, why? The acting partners are responsible for the contracts fulfillment. If you get paid, which you would or Haymon, Finkell and Dibella get sued and then pay plus court costs. What does it matter where it comes from.
“We need to know where the fight will be” that will be in the contract. Why act like it wouldn’t? Dude is reaching
Here we have AJ “let’s go” and Eddie but but but but but
This interview includes a lot of spin doctoring
“The money is important but we think AJ has earned the right to have it in the UK” umm, not if it’s only worth 40 in the UK as you say. Which Americans won’t buy an afternoon fight. But UK fans will buy this fight at any time so...
He keeps talking about the offer being from Wilder as if we all know Dibella has confirmed it but he doesn’t, sure
He also says we have to consider it but this isn’t the only way it gets done, it could be our offer our splits. Wait, wut?!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yFlWizD6YOI
Fat Dan ripped off the IFL interview then passed it off like Eddie had personally told him the score. :D
Ron, they need to employ you to sort these deals out. Effing joke ain't it mate, Eddie now stalling over nothing, making out it's important to know where the money is coming from, where and when the fight takes place, a venue, commision, what US broadcaster, do AJ's existing contracts clash with anything, is the UK end sorted, is AJ, his managers and laywers and agents and sponsors and training outfit and whatnot all on board
I'm not making it out like everything he says isn't true. But notice in those 15 minutes he never once said "If this is legit we'll take it". Notice he never said "If we can come to terms on tv contracts and venue and all the details we'll make it"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I get what you're doing but why say "this isn't the only way it gets done, maybe our offer, our split"? Seriously, why is he talking about a worse deal where everyone is paid less? Answer that and we have a starting point for the snark. Otherwise it's just as I always say, just a distraction from the truth of the details.