The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Master]

True, we all want the fight made and do not particularly care how much they get. They have representatives who are paid to negotiate the best deal. I just hope the fight is made before Wilder loses.

[Fenster]

@TitoFan

I understand you think 60-40 split is fair, that Wilder is not just a bit part player, I get that. The problem I have understanding your logic is why does Wilder deserve a ginormous payrise yet Joshua gets his bog standard fee?

I honestly can't recall a single major fight in history where someone took a paycut/got their norm for a bigger, more dangerous fight.

[TitoFan]

@TitoFan

I understand you think 60-40 split is fair, that Wilder is not just a bit part player, I get that. The problem I have understanding your logic is why does Wilder deserve a ginormous payrise yet Joshua gets his bog standard fee?

I honestly can't recall a single major fight in history where someone took a paycut/got their norm for a bigger, more dangerous fight.

Ok, because as I said before, we're looking at it from different angles. You're looking at past earnings as a way to divvy up the pot. If that's the measure to be used, then yeah... I guess Wilder should just accept the $12.5 million and be grateful. I'm looking at the event and what each brings to the ring. Wilder might be a jerk (his "body" comment didn't endear him to many). Wilder might have begun his career with a bunch of tomato cans. Wilder might not be the rock star in the U.S. that Joshua is in the UK. Wilder might even have an ugly style in the ring.... some say he can't box, which I think is a bit unfair and exaggerated. But make no mistake about it. Wilder brings excitement to this potential matchup, as well as that X-factor. No matter what the "experts" think, it's not a given that Joshua is going to beat Wilder. This could be an ugly knockout for either.

So whereas you think of it as a "paycut" for Joshua, I think of it as a ginormous event that if promoted properly could very well surpass all previous Joshua fight purses. Hey who knows..... Wilder might even end up accepting a 65-35 split. But c'mon....... everybody knows Hearn basically threw a bone at a hungry dog and expected him to drool all over it.

[powerpuncher]

I’m hoping this doesn’t become one of those fights that marinated too long. This is the best time to do it. I am skeptical that either will do anything to make the fight more anticipated if they wait. It’s more likely one of them loses or even just looks awful. Right now is the time. I’ve seen fights happen past their best time too many times in boxing.

[Fenster]

Hearn's flat fee offer was for the media/public, he was calling Wilder's bluff, it was in responce to Wilder's claim that Joshua is ducking him, the idea that 12.5m would be accepted and these professional spiel merchants discuss their real business in public is ridiculous. So then Wilder's team claim it's a 100 million fight to make 12.5 look like chump change. So then Eddie/Joshua say make us an offer, knowing full well Wilder's team can't stage the fight, it really is the Anthony Joshua show, regardless of the factor Wilder brings, whether we like it or not.

However, what it does give us is some general ball park figures, which combined with past events means we have an idea of the numbers.

So with a 50 million pot, 40% means Wilder gets 20m to Joshua's 30m. Now that's fair enough, however, when put into perspective it means Joshua is getting nothing for the risk whereas Wilder is getting a huge, massive increase on anything he's ever earned before. So what is the first thing Joshua's manager is going to say? Err.. fuck off Eddie.

Wilder deserves the biggest payday he's ever had by miles, such is the magnitude of the fight, however, the very same applies to Joshua. Remember, $50 million, which Joshua said he'd gladly accept if Wilder produces the 100 million, is not even double Joshua's best purse.

[TitoFan]

Hearn's flat fee offer was for the media/public, he was calling Wilder's bluff, it was in responce to Wilder's claim that Joshua is ducking him, the idea that 12.5m would be accepted and these professional spiel merchants discuss their real business in public is ridiculous. So then Wilder's team claim it's a 100 million fight to make 12.5 look like chump change. So then Eddie/Joshua say make us an offer, knowing full well Wilder's team can't stage the fight, it really is the Anthony Joshua show, regardless of the factor Wilder brings, whether we like it or not.

However, what it does give us is some general ball park figures, which combined with past events means we have an idea of the numbers.

So with a 50 million pot, 40% means Wilder gets 20m to Joshua's 30m. Now that's fair enough, however, when put into perspective it means Joshua is getting nothing for the risk whereas Wilder is getting a huge, massive increase on anything he's ever earned before. So what is the first thing Joshua's manager is going to say? Err.. fuck off Eddie.

Wilder deserves the biggest payday he's ever had by miles, such is the magnitude of the fight, however, the very same applies to Joshua. Remember, $50 million, which Joshua said he'd gladly accept if Wilder produces the 100 million, is not even double Joshua's best purse.

Your opening assessment seems plausible enough. My only issue is your saying that Joshua gets "nothing" for the risk. Actually, two issues with that. We're so jaded as fans to the millions earned by fighters nowadays that we can actually and flippantly call $30 million nothing. Hmmm... Second, you mention the risk. Isn't Team Joshua confident in their man? This seems almost like "let's get all the money we can, in case we get KTFO'ed and never get here again." I know that's not the case, but then again...

I'm leaning away from the $100 million claim, mostly because the time difference, were the fight to be held in the UK, is going to make it rather impossible to generate significant PPV revenue in the States. So going with the $50 million for argument's sake. It may get down to splitting hairs. Maybe 60/40 isn't enough for Joshua and too much for Wilder. So hopefully they'll work their way down from there. What I think is unreasonable and probably will not be accepted by Wilder is the premise that, because Joshua fans feel AJ needs a hefty raise, and the pot is foreseeably $50 million, then Wilder's take approaches that 25% neighborhood.

[Fenster]

I'm speaking purely from the respected parties perspective not mine "Nothing" - as in he wouldn't be getting an advance on previous purses, I was playing his manager to try to clarify the situation.

Personally I couldn't give a flying funk what either make, they mean not a jot to me. In fact I find it ridiculous that fans argue about what fighters "deserve" or use dough as a measuring stick for achievements. They can get a billion dollars or zilch for all I care. Means nothing.

I agree fully that fans are so blase when discussing millions of dollars it's ridiculous, that's been the whole point of my involvement in this topic. 100 million that nobody can account for. 12.5 million chump change. Millions of PPV buys for a guy that's not PPV.

[Batman]

This fight is getting more posts than it would if it was a done deal

[Alpha]

True, we all want the fight made and do not particularly care how much they get. They have representatives who are paid to negotiate the best deal. I just hope the fight is made before Wilder loses.

Or AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.

[Master]

True, we all want the fight made and do not particularly care how much they get. They have representatives who are paid to negotiate the best deal. I just hope the fight is made before Wilder loses.

Or AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.

You said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.

[Alpha]

True, we all want the fight made and do not particularly care how much they get. They have representatives who are paid to negotiate the best deal. I just hope the fight is made before Wilder loses.

Or AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.

You said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.

So AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.

Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.

[Master]

True, we all want the fight made and do not particularly care how much they get. They have representatives who are paid to negotiate the best deal. I just hope the fight is made before Wilder loses.

Or AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.

You said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.

So AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.

Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.

Parker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.

[Primo Carnera]

True, we all want the fight made and do not particularly care how much they get. They have representatives who are paid to negotiate the best deal. I just hope the fight is made before Wilder loses.

Or AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.

You said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.

So AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.

Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.

Parker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.

I like AJ as much as the next man. But I reckon it’s a bit blasé to think he’s “too skilled” for Povetkin.
I honestly believe Povetkin of 5 years ago would probably beat the AJ of now.
Maybe Povetkin has gone slightly over the hill and the (deserved) drugs bans have fucked up his momentum, but I still think he gives AJ Problems.

[Master]

True, we all want the fight made and do not particularly care how much they get. They have representatives who are paid to negotiate the best deal. I just hope the fight is made before Wilder loses.

Or AJ, a win over Povetkin is no sure thing.

You said the same thing about Parker. AJ beats Povetkin just as easily.

So AJ is invincible now? Anything can happen in a fight, especially with heavyweights, but I never once thought AJ would lose, barring something bizarre happening.

Povetkin, even this old version is a much tougher fight, styles make fights. Look back at my posts about Parker before the fight, I kept saying he needs to stop going backwards, backing up to the ropes and corners. When he stood his ground and lead he had success in that fight. Povetkin will be much more aggressive.

Parker did nothing really in the fight, AJ laughed at his basic attack. AJ is not invincible but he is too big and skilled for Parker and Povetkin's of the world.

I like AJ as much as the next man. But I reckon it’s a bit blasé to think he’s “too skilled” for Povetkin.
I honestly believe Povetkin of 5 years ago would probably beat the AJ of now.
Maybe Povetkin has gone slightly over the hill and the (deserved) drugs bans have fucked up his momentum, but I still think he gives AJ Problems.

The Povetkin version that fought Wlad would give AJ problems but that was 5 yaers ago and he is not the same fighter as he was then. He has slowed down and looks more vulnerable.