Canelo Álvarez v Jermell Charlo September Thirtieth

Ginger won't fight Benavidez, if his Modus Operandi is any indication. He'll hem and haw. (Remember... there's a conga line of undersized fighters "calling out" Canelo and claiming they'll do better than Charlo... LMFAO).

The Cash Cow is still very much in business, and besides... there's at least one or two other undersized, undisputed, or otherwise big names out there to be had.

Eubank wants Canelo. Crawford has been discussed as a possible fight. Inoue can always fatten up a bit... and he'll be firmly on Canelo's radar.

Benavidez may or may not get Canelo.

And if he does... Canelo will have the readymade excuse that he's too old... and Benavidez would've "NEVER" beaten him at his peak.

Then it's off to Hollywood, and "The Canelo Alvarez Story."



Oops... sorry. Forgot about Haney. ;)

For Benavidez I'd like him to stay lasered on Andrade. Especially if they are fighting in Vegas :-X. But clearly, he's the numero uno long existing top challenge for Canelo. But as we've seen "challenge" is not exactly in the lexicon of Canelo and supporters are perfectly fine handing out pass after pass. Want to fight an inactive Jr middle off of of surgery...sure sure just dress it up real nice and use the phrase undisputed a lot...want to take a stay busy where the question is not will he win, but will Ryder make the bell or not...sure sure fine fine...want to even for a second refuse to rule out fighting a fookin welterweight...sure sure just make sure he's covered in belts again and they are all shined up nice. Oh and "undisputed" on the banner. That's important. Rinse repeat.

Sadly and as predicted, where does Charlo go for that matter? His performance or lack thereof burns the bridge to a restructure at 154 at least involving Crawford. Overall and in an instant, he's become a trivia question and no idea where his motivation will be after scoring a lottery and adding the weight. He and Tzsyu from a fans perspective would have been a very entertaining clash but again he played himself.

Charlo whored himself out for the greater "good." Win-win all around. Charlo gets his mega bucks for showing up and punching the clock... Canelo gets his umpteenth miserably meaningless and carefully constructed win for his (cough) legacy. More people now know about Charlo than ever before... because anybody that fights Canelo instantly gets known by Canelo's legions of casuals. I'm sure many Canelo groupies had never even heard of Charlo before this. Professional pride be damned. Charlo made the big bucks, after blustering how he was going to be "different." The same song and dance ALL the Cash Cow applicants utter during their gig interviews. It's a full-blown circus... complete with the shiny crown and flowing cape for "The Face of Boxing."

The thing is... I wish I could say I'm surprised or that I haven't been standing on the same ol' soap box for YEARS now. But I can't. Fact is I HAVE been preaching from the pulpit for a LONG, LONG time now. People want to call me a hater... that's quite alright with me. At least I'm old enough to remember having seen the MAB's, JMM's, and Moraleses of the past live up to the moniker of Mexican warrior. No diva clauses... no marinating of fights... no trinket chasing... no bought judges or boxing orgs... none of the crap we've had to put up with since Ginger became the anointed Face of Boxing. When was the last time there was any suspense surrounding a Canelo fight? Especially about the outcome. They're all foregone conclusions! Did he take a miscalculated risk against Bivol? Damn straight. And the judges came close to robbing that poor bastard as well.

Can't wait for the redhead to retire.

will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

I really don't think that Charlo had a fight plan other than "don't get hurt."
Watch the way he was moving. He would move twice to his left and, when Canelo stepped to his right, Charlo would step to his right and they would be right back where they started. That is how you move when you are just moving to move.
If you are moving to win the fight, maybe you move left to get away from his hook to the body, but you are also looking to land punches- your movement should facilitate that. Charlo wasn't looking to set up punches.
On top of that, Canelo kept throwing his right hand to Charlo's left shoulder. He was doing that to take Charlo's jab but, in my estimation, to make Charlo move back in front of him so that Canelo could hit him with his hook. In the 7th round he altered the course of the punch and hurt Charlo with a pretty good right hand.
All in all, Charlo didn't come to fight and Canelo didn't invest much in taking advantage of that.

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

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IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything. :D

Canelo needs to be admired for being undisputed super middleweight champion. I would never have seen that when he was light middleweight champion and getting beaten up by Golovkin at Middleweight.

Canelo beating Kovalev and facing Bivol needs to be commended. Only special fighter's can go up the weights and be successful.

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

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IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything. :D

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taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

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IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything. :D

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taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

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I saw Floyd as the favorite. I didn't think Canelo deserved a shot at Floyd, and I was proven right. One of the easiest wins Floyd has had against high profile fighters. I also saw GGG as the favorite in their first fight, although it took long enough (way too long) to make the fight. GGG gave Canelo way too much respect... and still I thought he did enough to win the fight. Unfortunately, GGG didn't get the memo that NO ONE gets decisions against Canelo in Vegas. It has to be a total whitewash (Floyd, Bivol)... and even THEN the judges somehow manage to try and screw it up.

Now tell me this. Why do you think Canelo thought up this new excuse about not fighting Mexicans when first approached about Benavidez, when in the past it wasn't a hindrance? (JCC Jr., Angulo, Josesito, etc)

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

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IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything. :D

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IMHO I think the reality is somewhere in the middle of your 2 opinions. Yes, Canelo’s opponents are well thought out to give the gravy train every chance of rolling on. But I think that would be the same with anybody in his position commercially nowadays.
I think Bivol was a judgement error by his team. I don’t like to gloat , but before the fight , I was the only person on this forum that tipped a victory for Bivol. They thought Canelo had enough to walk through Bivol , but didn’t do their homework.
If they had, they would’ve have seen that Bivol is technically very proficient and would give nightmares to Canelo.
But all they saw was that “he’s quite a small SMW.”
Personally I don’t see Canelo fighting Benavidez any time soon. So expect something like Andrade, the other Charlo, Munguia, maybe Eubank Jr! He’s making a lot of noise for it.

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

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IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything. :D

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taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

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I saw Floyd as the favorite. I didn't think Canelo deserved a shot at Floyd, and I was proven right. One of the easiest wins Floyd has had against high profile fighters. I also saw GGG as the favorite in their first fight, although it took long enough (way too long) to make the fight. GGG gave Canelo way too much respect... and still I thought he did enough to win the fight. Unfortunately, GGG didn't get the memo that NO ONE gets decisions against Canelo in Vegas. It has to be a total whitewash (Floyd, Bivol)... and even THEN the judges somehow manage to try and screw it up.

Now tell me this. Why do you think Canelo thought up this new excuse about not fighting Mexicans when first approached about Benavidez, when in the past it wasn't a hindrance? (JCC Jr., Angulo, Josesito, etc)

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so you thought canelo was the underdog against floyd, you saw him as the underdog against ggg in the first fight & thought he lost, who canelo then took an immediate rematch against a guy you & i both thought beat him. beforre that he took on austin trout who was seen as the number one guy at fifty four, he fought erislandy who no one has really dominated, he clearly defeated danny jacobs who many felt had beaten ggg & then unified one sixty eight by beating three undefeated champions in callum, billy joe & caleb. he also challenge two light heavyweight beltholders. sure there are cash grabs, every fighters record has them at this level but canelo has taken on difficult challenges. as to canelo & fighting mexicans i can only speculate. in my opinion he wanted david b & jaime munguia to establish themselves further before fighting them. or it could be that he didn't want to take food/ money off their tables by beating them at that time. i'm sure you would agree that both guys have had decent paydays in that time, having suffered a defeat to canelo at that time may have deminished their standing in the sport & put them to the back off the line

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

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IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything. :D

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taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

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I saw Floyd as the favorite. I didn't think Canelo deserved a shot at Floyd, and I was proven right. One of the easiest wins Floyd has had against high profile fighters. I also saw GGG as the favorite in their first fight, although it took long enough (way too long) to make the fight. GGG gave Canelo way too much respect... and still I thought he did enough to win the fight. Unfortunately, GGG didn't get the memo that NO ONE gets decisions against Canelo in Vegas. It has to be a total whitewash (Floyd, Bivol)... and even THEN the judges somehow manage to try and screw it up.

Now tell me this. Why do you think Canelo thought up this new excuse about not fighting Mexicans when first approached about Benavidez, when in the past it wasn't a hindrance? (JCC Jr., Angulo, Josesito, etc)

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so you thought canelo was the underdog against floyd, you saw him as the underdog against ggg in the first fight & thought he lost, who canelo then took an immediate rematch against a guy you & i both thought beat him. beforre that he took on austin trout who was seen as the number one guy at fifty four, he fought erislandy who no one has really dominated, he clearly defeated danny jacobs who many felt had beaten ggg & then unified one sixty eight by beating three undefeated champions in callum, billy joe & caleb. he also challenge two light heavyweight beltholders. sure there are cash grabs, every fighters record has them at this level but canelo has taken on difficult challenges. as to canelo & fighting mexicans i can only speculate. in my opinion he wanted david b & jaime munguia to establish themselves further before fighting them. or it could be that he didn't want to take food/ money off their tables by beating them at that time. i'm sure you would agree that both guys have had decent paydays in that time, having suffered a defeat to canelo at that time may have deminished their standing in the sport & put them to the back off the line

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I've always let it be known that IMO a guy like Jacobs is one of Canelo's legit victories, with no diva clauses, no marination, no stacking the deck in his favor. Trout was another one. GGG I thought got robbed in their first fight. The second one was more even... a fight in which GGG inexplicably and infuriatingly gave Canelo way too much space and respect. The 3rd fight I thought was a cash grab by a 40-year old blown up GGG. (By the way I'm flattered that I appear on your signature because of my statement on GGG... which I STILL stand by, by the way. But that's another story). ;D

Cash grabs, yeah... many fighters do them. But the shameless chasing of trinkets, like when Canelo had the gall of asking Badou Jack to drain himself 20 pounds so they could fight for some "circus version" of a cruiserweight trinket. Damn. Thank goodness Badou told him to go screw himself (in so many words).

Listen, I know Canelo is a very good fighter. He's a rugged fighter with a great chin... and you know you're always going to get some good action in his fights. Plus hey... he's brought the casual and female fandom to boxing. I guess that's a good thing, right? But I'm a bit more hardcore. I've also said numerous times that this isn't a Mexican thing. I loved MAB and JMM when they were fighting. But more importantly... I respected them. To me they were the epitomy of what a boxing champion is. Maybe the times are changing... and I'm slow to change with them. Look at Ryan. I can't STAND how that kid is being marketed. I jumped for joy when Tank knocked him out with a shot to the body. Ryan's more interested in posing for Instagram than he is in the grind of boxing. At least that's MY perception. But I digress. We'll never see eye to eye on Canelo. I've just seen too much.

i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

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IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything. :D

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IMHO I think the reality is somewhere in the middle of your 2 opinions. Yes, Canelo’s opponents are well thought out to give the gravy train every chance of rolling on. But I think that would be the same with anybody in his position commercially nowadays.
I think Bivol was a judgement error by his team. I don’t like to gloat , but before the fight , I was the only person on this forum that tipped a victory for Bivol. They thought Canelo had enough to walk through Bivol , but didn’t do their homework.
If they had, they would’ve have seen that Bivol is technically very proficient and would give nightmares to Canelo.
But all they saw was that “he’s quite a small SMW.”
Personally I don’t see Canelo fighting Benavidez any time soon. So expect something like Andrade, the other Charlo, Munguia, maybe Eubank Jr! He’s making a lot of noise for it.

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i remember you picking dmitry, i was also saying how difficult the fight would be. to be fair canelo had looked pretty unstoppable mowing through the champions at one sixty eight. you might be right, team canelo might have seen dmitry as a smallish light heavy. david b & demetrius andrade are supposed to be fighting next, so the winner would become the obvious choice to fight canelo for me, although i agree with palmerq that it'll probably be the last fight on the contract & i don't see jermall, jaime or chris jr being a bigger fight all around than david b

I hope that Charlo lame effort will mean that all talk of Crawford, brother Charlo, Eubank ect are off the table and Canelo will face real challenges at his weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Li9nQgHRwA

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i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

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My statement stands, and most everyone would agree with me. Saying GGG has fought all his career at MW, and having you dredge up one fight at 163, which isn't even the next division up... doesn't invalidate the spirit of what I was accurately stating. I don't pick on nitpicky details just to win an argument. So my statement still stands. Prior to Ginger dragging GGG up to 168, GGG had fought his entire career at MW. You know what I mean. ;)

Still... I'm flattered by the attention. ;D

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i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

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My statement stands, and most everyone would agree with me. Saying GGG has fought all his career at MW, and having you dredge up one fight at 163, which isn't even the next division up... doesn't invalidate the spirit of what I was accurately stating. I don't pick on nitpicky details just to win an argument. So my statement still stands. Prior to Ginger dragging GGG up to 168, GGG had fought his entire career at MW. You know what I mean. ;)

Still... I'm flattered by the attention. ;D

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your statement that it's a fact is wrong & anyone agreeing with your made up fact would also be wrong. what has been the middleweight limit for professional boxing during ggg's career? what weight division is one sixty three within? i agree with you that ggg fought most of his career at one sixty & i do know what you were meaning, i have no issue with any of that except that you are trying to say it is a fact & you still refuse to admit it is not a fact. i'm only highlighting your mentality & reasoning. as when other discussions between us occur it must always be taken into consideration that you are the type of person who is happy to make up facts & then contradict them & are unable to acknowledge that you have done so

Really like the Epilogue episode. I do not know when they started the series but like the fight highlights, summary and post fight interviews.

This version of Canelo seems strong and motivated. Can see him dominating the weight and hope he takes on the best at this weight.

The rest of the smaller challengers are wasting their, his and our time.

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i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

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My statement stands, and most everyone would agree with me. Saying GGG has fought all his career at MW, and having you dredge up one fight at 163, which isn't even the next division up... doesn't invalidate the spirit of what I was accurately stating. I don't pick on nitpicky details just to win an argument. So my statement still stands. Prior to Ginger dragging GGG up to 168, GGG had fought his entire career at MW. You know what I mean. ;)

Still... I'm flattered by the attention. ;D

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your statement that it's a fact is wrong & anyone agreeing with your made up fact would also be wrong. what has been the middleweight limit for professional boxing during ggg's career? what weight division is one sixty three within? i agree with you that ggg fought most of his career at one sixty & i do know what you were meaning, i have no issue with any of that except that you are trying to say it is a fact & you still refuse to admit it is not a fact. i'm only highlighting your mentality & reasoning. as when other discussions between us occur it must always be taken into consideration that you are the type of person who is happy to make up facts & then contradict them & are unable to acknowledge that you have done so

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Hey bro, it's no biggie. ;D

I'm a big picture type of guy... and my saying GGG had fought MW his entire career before Ginger dragged him up to 168... only to have you "prove me wrong" by finding the one fight where GGG fought at 163... that's not going to prove that I don't know boxing, nor that I... what is it... "make up facts"? I'm certainly not gonna lose any sleep about what continues to be a difference of opinion between you and me.

Again... if it makes you happy to crow that I'm "happy to make up facts"... go for it. All the more power to you. I'll drink to that. It's certainly not worth continuing to argue about.

I said what I said and that's how it stays. It was a dig at Ginger... a fighter we both know you love and I hate. My point was well made... and still stands. I'm not one to care much about the fine print.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by TIC

i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

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My statement stands, and most everyone would agree with me. Saying GGG has fought all his career at MW, and having you dredge up one fight at 163, which isn't even the next division up... doesn't invalidate the spirit of what I was accurately stating. I don't pick on nitpicky details just to win an argument. So my statement still stands. Prior to Ginger dragging GGG up to 168, GGG had fought his entire career at MW. You know what I mean. ;)

Still... I'm flattered by the attention. ;D

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your statement that it's a fact is wrong & anyone agreeing with your made up fact would also be wrong. what has been the middleweight limit for professional boxing during ggg's career? what weight division is one sixty three within? i agree with you that ggg fought most of his career at one sixty & i do know what you were meaning, i have no issue with any of that except that you are trying to say it is a fact & you still refuse to admit it is not a fact. i'm only highlighting your mentality & reasoning. as when other discussions between us occur it must always be taken into consideration that you are the type of person who is happy to make up facts & then contradict them & are unable to acknowledge that you have done so

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Hey bro, it's no biggie. ;D

I'm a big picture type of guy... and my saying GGG had fought MW his entire career before Ginger dragged him up to 168... only to have you "prove me wrong" by finding the one fight where GGG fought at 163... that's not going to prove that I don't know boxing, nor that I... what is it... "make up facts"? I'm certainly not gonna lose any sleep about what continues to be a difference of opinion between you and me.

Again... if it makes you happy to crow that I'm "happy to make up facts"... go for it. All the more power to you. I'll drink to that. It's certainly not worth continuing to argue about.

I said what I said and that's how it stays. It was a dig at Ginger... a fighter we both know you love and I hate. My point was well made... and still stands. I'm not one to care much about the fine print.

Cheers.

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you didn't just say ggg had fought mw his entire career, you claimed it was a fact. my point is not about proving you wrong, it's that you made up a fact & are unable to admit that it wasn't a fact. i've never tried to prove you don't know boxing, i think you enjoy the sport just as much as i do when it's at its best. it's not a difference of opinion. you claimed something was a fact & it wasn't & you can't admit that it wasn't a fact. i have know feelings about it at all, as i said my signature just highlights your mentality & reasoning & your inability to concede. there is no argument. i don't love canelo. i like many things he's done in the sport & dislike many things he has done as well. your claim that it was a fact was wrong, so nothing stands. i care about how words, language & fine print are used. cheers

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I never envisioned a scenario in which Steve flippin Rolls would be as prevalent in fluffing up Canelo in any fashion. Indirectly of course ;D. Brilliant.

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I never envisioned a scenario in which Steve flippin Rolls would be as prevalent in fluffing up Canelo in any fashion. Indirectly of course ;D. Brilliant.

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I never envisioned a scenario in which Steve flippin Rolls would be as prevalent in fluffing up Canelo in any fashion. Indirectly of course ;D. Brilliant.

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And you Yankees think the Canadians are irrelevant on the world stage.... Check Mate Buddy

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;D the legend lives on.

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I never envisioned a scenario in which Steve flippin Rolls would be as prevalent in fluffing up Canelo in any fashion. Indirectly of course ;D. Brilliant.

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