Canelo Álvarez v Jermell Charlo September Thirtieth

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything.

taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

[TitoFan]

will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything.

taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

I saw Floyd as the favorite. I didn't think Canelo deserved a shot at Floyd, and I was proven right. One of the easiest wins Floyd has had against high profile fighters. I also saw GGG as the favorite in their first fight, although it took long enough (way too long) to make the fight. GGG gave Canelo way too much respect... and still I thought he did enough to win the fight. Unfortunately, GGG didn't get the memo that NO ONE gets decisions against Canelo in Vegas. It has to be a total whitewash (Floyd, Bivol)... and even THEN the judges somehow manage to try and screw it up.

Now tell me this. Why do you think Canelo thought up this new excuse about not fighting Mexicans when first approached about Benavidez, when in the past it wasn't a hindrance? (JCC Jr., Angulo, Josesito, etc)

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything.

taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

I saw Floyd as the favorite. I didn't think Canelo deserved a shot at Floyd, and I was proven right. One of the easiest wins Floyd has had against high profile fighters. I also saw GGG as the favorite in their first fight, although it took long enough (way too long) to make the fight. GGG gave Canelo way too much respect... and still I thought he did enough to win the fight. Unfortunately, GGG didn't get the memo that NO ONE gets decisions against Canelo in Vegas. It has to be a total whitewash (Floyd, Bivol)... and even THEN the judges somehow manage to try and screw it up.

Now tell me this. Why do you think Canelo thought up this new excuse about not fighting Mexicans when first approached about Benavidez, when in the past it wasn't a hindrance? (JCC Jr., Angulo, Josesito, etc)

so you thought canelo was the underdog against floyd, you saw him as the underdog against ggg in the first fight & thought he lost, who canelo then took an immediate rematch against a guy you & i both thought beat him. beforre that he took on austin trout who was seen as the number one guy at fifty four, he fought erislandy who no one has really dominated, he clearly defeated danny jacobs who many felt had beaten ggg & then unified one sixty eight by beating three undefeated champions in callum, billy joe & caleb. he also challenge two light heavyweight beltholders. sure there are cash grabs, every fighters record has them at this level but canelo has taken on difficult challenges. as to canelo & fighting mexicans i can only speculate. in my opinion he wanted david b & jaime munguia to establish themselves further before fighting them. or it could be that he didn't want to take food/ money off their tables by beating them at that time. i'm sure you would agree that both guys have had decent paydays in that time, having suffered a defeat to canelo at that time may have deminished their standing in the sport & put them to the back off the line

[TitoFan]

will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything.

taking on the second best fighter in a division two weights above your last fight is an extremely difficult challenge from the start in my opinion. no miscalculation, just a very big task. can i ask did you see canelo as the favourite going into the floyd & first ggg fights? & who did you have winning the first ggg fight?

I saw Floyd as the favorite. I didn't think Canelo deserved a shot at Floyd, and I was proven right. One of the easiest wins Floyd has had against high profile fighters. I also saw GGG as the favorite in their first fight, although it took long enough (way too long) to make the fight. GGG gave Canelo way too much respect... and still I thought he did enough to win the fight. Unfortunately, GGG didn't get the memo that NO ONE gets decisions against Canelo in Vegas. It has to be a total whitewash (Floyd, Bivol)... and even THEN the judges somehow manage to try and screw it up.

Now tell me this. Why do you think Canelo thought up this new excuse about not fighting Mexicans when first approached about Benavidez, when in the past it wasn't a hindrance? (JCC Jr., Angulo, Josesito, etc)

so you thought canelo was the underdog against floyd, you saw him as the underdog against ggg in the first fight & thought he lost, who canelo then took an immediate rematch against a guy you & i both thought beat him. beforre that he took on austin trout who was seen as the number one guy at fifty four, he fought erislandy who no one has really dominated, he clearly defeated danny jacobs who many felt had beaten ggg & then unified one sixty eight by beating three undefeated champions in callum, billy joe & caleb. he also challenge two light heavyweight beltholders. sure there are cash grabs, every fighters record has them at this level but canelo has taken on difficult challenges. as to canelo & fighting mexicans i can only speculate. in my opinion he wanted david b & jaime munguia to establish themselves further before fighting them. or it could be that he didn't want to take food/ money off their tables by beating them at that time. i'm sure you would agree that both guys have had decent paydays in that time, having suffered a defeat to canelo at that time may have deminished their standing in the sport & put them to the back off the line

I've always let it be known that IMO a guy like Jacobs is one of Canelo's legit victories, with no diva clauses, no marination, no stacking the deck in his favor. Trout was another one. GGG I thought got robbed in their first fight. The second one was more even... a fight in which GGG inexplicably and infuriatingly gave Canelo way too much space and respect. The 3rd fight I thought was a cash grab by a 40-year old blown up GGG. (By the way I'm flattered that I appear on your signature because of my statement on GGG... which I STILL stand by, by the way. But that's another story).

Cash grabs, yeah... many fighters do them. But the shameless chasing of trinkets, like when Canelo had the gall of asking Badou Jack to drain himself 20 pounds so they could fight for some "circus version" of a cruiserweight trinket. Damn. Thank goodness Badou told him to go screw himself (in so many words).

Listen, I know Canelo is a very good fighter. He's a rugged fighter with a great chin... and you know you're always going to get some good action in his fights. Plus hey... he's brought the casual and female fandom to boxing. I guess that's a good thing, right? But I'm a bit more hardcore. I've also said numerous times that this isn't a Mexican thing. I loved MAB and JMM when they were fighting. But more importantly... I respected them. To me they were the epitomy of what a boxing champion is. Maybe the times are changing... and I'm slow to change with them. Look at Ryan. I can't STAND how that kid is being marketed. I jumped for joy when Tank knocked him out with a shot to the body. Ryan's more interested in posing for Instagram than he is in the grind of boxing. At least that's MY perception. But I digress. We'll never see eye to eye on Canelo. I've just seen too much.

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i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

[TitoFan]

i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

My statement stands, and most everyone would agree with me. Saying GGG has fought all his career at MW, and having you dredge up one fight at 163, which isn't even the next division up... doesn't invalidate the spirit of what I was accurately stating. I don't pick on nitpicky details just to win an argument. So my statement still stands. Prior to Ginger dragging GGG up to 168, GGG had fought his entire career at MW. You know what I mean.

Still... I'm flattered by the attention.

[TIC]

i also thought ggg was robbed in the first fight & i had canelo as the underdog entering the first & second fight, which made his win in the second fight that much more impressive to me. it was also a really good fight. my signature just highlights you making up a fact & then contradicting it. if you hadn't of used the word fact or admitted it wasn't a fact i wouldn't have an issue with your statement. most modern fighters chase belts these days & have since the multiple sanctioning bodies introduced all these belts. the times have definitely changed. as for king ry can you blame him or his team for the aggressive marketing? it worked, the tank v king ry fight is one of the biggest pay per views in recent times. king ry may be more interested in posing for instagram than he is in the grind of boxing, he did get in the ring with tank though, he fought the very talented luke campbell & he's coming back after the tank fight against a big punching, rugged fighter next. i could see your point if you were pushing the same perception with guys like jaime munguia or zurdo ramirez & there are others, tank hasn't fought a murderers row himself

My statement stands, and most everyone would agree with me. Saying GGG has fought all his career at MW, and having you dredge up one fight at 163, which isn't even the next division up... doesn't invalidate the spirit of what I was accurately stating. I don't pick on nitpicky details just to win an argument. So my statement still stands. Prior to Ginger dragging GGG up to 168, GGG had fought his entire career at MW. You know what I mean.

Still... I'm flattered by the attention.

your statement that it's a fact is wrong & anyone agreeing with your made up fact would also be wrong. what has been the middleweight limit for professional boxing during ggg's career? what weight division is one sixty three within? i agree with you that ggg fought most of his career at one sixty & i do know what you were meaning, i have no issue with any of that except that you are trying to say it is a fact & you still refuse to admit it is not a fact. i'm only highlighting your mentality & reasoning. as when other discussions between us occur it must always be taken into consideration that you are the type of person who is happy to make up facts & then contradict them & are unable to acknowledge that you have done so