~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

Oh yeah, and Bute held more than John Ruiz

You sure got the right name... BOOOTAY.

Well just saw it for the first time. I don't think it should have been stopped before the knockdown at the very end but obviously the count looked BS.

I actually was expecting worse to be honest because of all the talk about it but it obviously was some home cooking.

If anything Wright was too late to stop the Berrio fight. Bute was "out on his feet" but Berrio was pretty much unconscious.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Been stewing on this at work earlier.They do have a standing 8 in Canada as well right??Would have been a perfect time with Bute prior to the KD.

One thing,The Bell was late as can be.Bute hit the deck with 1 or 2 seconds left in the round and No bell sounded what so ever,surley Bute's corner new the clock expired?It only rang once the Ref finished 8 count,wiped the gloves and turned to let it continue.......I believe it was Bute's corner man that worked the ref and pointed too Andrade near the corner.

I fully think the ref was biased,calling breaks after Andrade landed clean on a few occasions,B.S KD called on him and not calling the hugging by Bute but.......truth be told Imo And I have no interest at all in Bute and really like Andrade but Bute beat the count,all the ref had to do was ignore Andrade,toll an 8 count,and the fight was well over...no dispute ???

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That's what I was thinking too. I didn't see the fight so I don't know how bad Wright was besides that.

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

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Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

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Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.

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One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? How many refs do you see do that in the middle of their count? Does he have eyes in the back of his head that we don't know about, or maybe someone from Bute's corner was saying something to him? :dontknow:

Andrade was no where near the knock down, in fact he was far enough away that he wasn't visible from the panned out shot with the camera. So he was maybe 3 feet from the corner? So what, the fighters are not required to be leaning up against the posts, no fighter does that. So why was it such a big deal for this fight? :dontknow:

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Originally Posted by Diane

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

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Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.

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One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? How many refs do you see do that in the middle of their count? Does he have eyes in the back of his head that we don't know about, or maybe someone from Bute's corner was saying something to him? :dontknow:

Andrade was no where near the knock down, in fact he was far enough away that he wasn't visible from the panned out shot with the camera. So he was maybe 3 feet from the corner? So what, the fighters are not required to be leaning up against the posts, no fighter does that. So why was it such a big deal for this fight? :dontknow:

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This might explain it a bit better its the IBF rules.

4. When a contestant has been knocked down, the referee will order the standing contestant to the farthest neutral corner and begin the count. If the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner.

Im not saying what the ref done is right Diane but with hindsight its irrelvant if you think about it, because the time in the round was over so Librado Andrade couldn't have got another chance it was impossible.

That's all well and good, if the fighter is moving toward the center of the ring, but he was standing in the vincinity of the corner, just as all fighters do. The ref clearly used that rule to his advantage to explain his incompetence.

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

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Originally Posted by Diane

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

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Good points Diane i'll reply to this tomorrow tired right now can't think.

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Originally Posted by Diane

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

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I agree too with your assessmnet. I too am a bute fan, but the ref pissed me off so much, throughout the fight, i began to cheer for andrade to knock him out. I like andrade too but i was neutral going into this fight. I expected bute to win because of his boxing skill, but my heart was with andrade also because he epitomizes will over skill.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

OK, 1st things 1st.

FUCK YOU Marlon B. Wright... You piece of shit.

Andrade WAS in his corner, of course he wasn't glued to the fucken post but which fighter is? Most fighters hang out there not literally in the fucken corner with the back on the post. He was in the neutral corner and VIDEO proves that.

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