~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

[CutMeMick]

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

[ICB]

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.

[Diane]

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.

One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? How many refs do you see do that in the middle of their count? Does he have eyes in the back of his head that we don't know about, or maybe someone from Bute's corner was saying something to him?

Andrade was no where near the knock down, in fact he was far enough away that he wasn't visible from the panned out shot with the camera. So he was maybe 3 feet from the corner? So what, the fighters are not required to be leaning up against the posts, no fighter does that. So why was it such a big deal for this fight?

[ICB]

Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.

One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? How many refs do you see do that in the middle of their count? Does he have eyes in the back of his head that we don't know about, or maybe someone from Bute's corner was saying something to him?

Andrade was no where near the knock down, in fact he was far enough away that he wasn't visible from the panned out shot with the camera. So he was maybe 3 feet from the corner? So what, the fighters are not required to be leaning up against the posts, no fighter does that. So why was it such a big deal for this fight?

This might explain it a bit better its the IBF rules.

4. When a contestant has been knocked down, the referee will order the standing contestant to the farthest neutral corner and begin the count. If the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner.

Im not saying what the ref done is right Diane but with hindsight its irrelvant if you think about it, because the time in the round was over so Librado Andrade couldn't have got another chance it was impossible.

[Diane]

That's all well and good, if the fighter is moving toward the center of the ring, but he was standing in the vincinity of the corner, just as all fighters do. The ref clearly used that rule to his advantage to explain his incompetence.

[Diane]

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

[ICB]

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

Good points Diane i'll reply to this tomorrow tired right now can't think.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

I agree too with your assessmnet. I too am a bute fan, but the ref pissed me off so much, throughout the fight, i began to cheer for andrade to knock him out. I like andrade too but i was neutral going into this fight. I expected bute to win because of his boxing skill, but my heart was with andrade also because he epitomizes will over skill.

[OumaFan]

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

That was definitely a glaring omission, Wright should have definitely made him do that. I still don't think it was a horrible call not to stop it before Bute went down (although like I've said its not like it would have been unjustified to do so, I just think that late in the fight he should at least be put down before you stop it or be completely out on his feet) but even though I think it would have been harsh to stop it after he got up and the time ran out still there's no saving a fighter by the bell and he should have made him walk forward and checked him more carefully.

Maybe the outrage seems a bit excessive to me because I didn't see the whole fight and apparently Wright was coddlinig Bute the whole way. Just as far as the end goes, it was bad but I've definitely seen worse.

[ICB]

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

Diane to my knowledge there is nothing in the rules, that states you cannot lean against the ropes after getting up from a knockdown. Also after the fight was finished Bute clearly walked forward to his corner. With no real trouble from my memory so i don't understand what your getting at ?

Bute was in real trouble before the knockdown but Andrade was still struggling, to land clean punches until the last 19 seconds. And in no way shape or form should any ref of stopped the fight before the knockdown.

To answer your other question i believe in the rules, it states that you have to check the other fighter is in the neutral corner. This is where Richard Steele made a mistake in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, because Chavez wasn't in the neutral corner and he didn't bother checking.