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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
As a pacfan we're used to that, PAC will never get credited for his greatness. Old or dehydrated ODLH's natural height/size advantage warrants him to win but he didnt. Hatton OLD:o
it dosent take a genius to figure out that Berto is thicker, has blinding handspeed and combos to go with a 160lb fight night weigh in even though he is a welterweight. You actually think Pac could beat Berto? Seriously how????? You dont even know what the hell your talking about.Quote:
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Your such a loser JT, do you ever make sense?:rolleyes: Find a new forum please, where someone cares what you say! How can you make those claims, Berto hasn't even been tested yet? What an idiot!
You are typical... Instead of refuting my point with some intelligence, you call me a loser and tell me to find a new forum:confused: Really son, this my house been here 3 + years and almost 8000 posts, you are a gutter twat who insight is... Pac will beat Berto beacause he is Pac, and thats it... the Chuck norris facts were really for Pac:rolleyes: Kindly piss off and shine my shoes junior :beat:
that he went after the two weakest "champs" at 147 , if he was to do it at 147, against Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather, then i'd give him all the credit in the world, same as i did against HattonQuote:
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxinglol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto? ;)
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Poor talent pool ........ once again !!!! earning Belts vs. one of these guys as in when he fought the lesser Diaz, . great "cautious" path too gaining belts !!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxinglol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto? ;)
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No, Hatton no "SKILL"Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxinglol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
As a pacfan we're used to that, PAC will never get credited for his greatness. Old or dehydrated ODLH's natural height/size advantage warrants him to win but he didnt. Hatton OLD:o
i give Pacquiao full credit for the Hatton win, but sorry, the DLH fight is utter bullshit dude, even Roach has stated they took the fight because he knew that DLH would be weight drained, and you could be as good as Ray Robinson, but if you're too weak from making weight, the healthier guy is gonna beat youQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingNo, Hatton no "SKILL"Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
As a pacfan we're used to that, PAC will never get credited for his greatness. Old or dehydrated ODLH's natural height/size advantage warrants him to win but he didnt. Hatton OLD:o
I'm sick of this catch weight bullshit. Either fight at proper weights or don't fight at all. A Mosley fight should be 147 and no lighter. If Manny Pac wants to be a WW then so be it. But forget all this catch weight bullshit. And that is what it is. :rolleyes:
Exactly. I weighted 120 at 16 in condition enough to play varsity soccer. In similar condition in my late 20's and early 30's, I weighted 180. If I had been looking to make boxing or wrestling weight at 16, I would have been 112 or 115. With my filled out adult frame, I would have boxed at 160 or 168. So basically, I would have gone from a flyweight/bantamweight to a middleweight/super middle. And like JT says, I'm just an average guy with full time job average athletic ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
It's amazing that Pac was able to make 130 for as long as he did. Did he look like the smaller man against Hatton? Not by much, if at all. If Pac wants Mosley, let him go to 147 to do it, same with Cotto. It's smart business with Roach, but I won't give Pac a bit of credit if he beat a weight drained 39 y.o. Mosley.
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Originally Posted by RozzySeanExactly. I weighted 120 at 16 in condition enough to play varsity soccer. In similar condition in my late 20's and early 30's, I weighted 180. If I had been looking to make boxing or wrestling weight at 16, I would have been 112 or 115. With my filled out adult frame, I would have boxed at 160 or 168. So basically, I would have gone from a flyweight/bantamweight to a middleweight/super middle. And like JT says, I'm just an average guy with full time job average athletic ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
It's amazing that Pac was able to make 130 for as long as he did. Did he look like the smaller man against Hatton? Not by much, if at all. If Pac wants Mosley, let him go to 147 to do it, same with Cotto. It's smart business with Roach, but I won't give Pac a bit of credit if he beat a weight drained 39 y.o. Mosley.
I agree,I'd give him very very little credit and if he thinks he's big enough let him go to 147.
I don't think he is.
I agree, winner of Urango-Berto could be the weakest champ at 147... But Urango or Berto could probably give PAC a much tougher fight than Hatton and Hoya... This is not a given fight... Could be 60-40 in favor for PAC...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat he went after the two weakest "champs" at 147 , if he was to do it at 147, against Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather, then i'd give him all the credit in the world, same as i did against HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto? ;)
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it would be David Diaz all over again, and if Manny was to do it, i'd say that everyone should be entitled to bash him same way Mayweather has been for "cherry picking" cause that's just what it would beQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI agree, winner of Urango-Berto could be the weakest champ at 147... But Urango or Berto could probably give PAC a much tougher fight than Hatton and Hoya... This is not a given fight... Could be 60-40 in favor for PAC...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat he went after the two weakest "champs" at 147 , if he was to do it at 147, against Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather, then i'd give him all the credit in the world, same as i did against HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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Largly its become one big glamore show of 'p4p mega fights' that are fueled by the major networks on super star familuarity.Ive been waaaay too cynical on this for the longest,back to HBO clamoring for a Norris vs.Whitaker,Jones jr vs. Whitaker, Tito Trinidad or all of that Jones fighting Mike Tyson hype.Imo,it has everything to do with stardom attached to calling oneself "P4P" in the sport and the coin that gos along with it.I miss dominate Champions!All the while we miss Champions cleaning out a division of as of yet discovered talents,some dismissed because 'we dont know the name' as a major player or serious threat :cwm13:.Sort of a vicious catch 22.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Undefeated Diego Corrales comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd is getting the criticism because there are a ton of elite, tough welterweights out there and he chose to fight Marquez, whose last fight was at 135, and has made a career at 130 and below. Floyd has five fights where he could fight boxers who won't be smaller and won't be weight drained. And on that note, other than Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitYou're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
It is more that from a fan's perspective, I want to see Floyd challenged. I'm bored seeing him fight smaller men so he can showcase his skills.
Catch weights should not be allowed period.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I'm not sure how serious PAC is considering a 7th division title for building up his legacy further more... Imagine he will be the only boxer with titles in 7 different weight divisions if he gets that... That's still very amazing even if he gets his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto... PAC can slap his 7th division belt to PBF's face...;D (PBF got titles in 5 divisions)...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit would be David Diaz all over again, and if Manny was to do it, i'd say that everyone should be entitled to bash him same way Mayweather has been for "cherry picking" cause that's just what it would beQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI agree, winner of Urango-Berto could be the weakest champ at 147... But Urango or Berto could probably give PAC a much tougher fight than Hatton and Hoya... This is not a given fight... Could be 60-40 in favor for PAC...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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