Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"

[Pavlik]

Manny becoming a 7 division champ will make him one of the most envied fighter of all time.

lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!

As a pacfan we're used to that, PAC will never get credited for his greatness. Old or dehydrated ODLH's natural height/size advantage warrants him to win but he didnt. Hatton OLD

[JT Rock]

Pac and Roach are showing what a bunch of pussies they really are, what a gotdam joke.

If you want to fight these guys than fight them at their weight where they are their strongest and best. Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.

When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.

So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.

Also if Roach was saying what a phenom Pac was at 147 with speed and combos, why fear Shane and Cotto then? I smell piss and its coming from roaches pants! By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.

Saddoboxer you crack me up... you honestly think Pac would pick Bertos pocket for a 7th championship? You must be joking !! pac is all wrong for Berto, Andres hands are signifigantlly faster and more powerful. Pac would last 6 with Berto before getting blown out. Berto would outmuscle and outclass pac in every category

Your such a loser JT, do you ever make sense? Find a new forum please, where someone cares what you say! How can you make those claims, Berto hasn't even been tested yet? What an idiot!

it dosent take a genius to figure out that Berto is thicker, has blinding handspeed and combos to go with a 160lb fight night weigh in even though he is a welterweight. You actually think Pac could beat Berto? Seriously how?? You dont even know what the hell your talking about.

You are typical... Instead of refuting my point with some intelligence, you call me a loser and tell me to find a new forum Really son, this my house been here 3 + years and almost 8000 posts, you are a gutter twat who insight is... Pac will beat Berto beacause he is Pac, and thats it... the Chuck norris facts were really for Pac Kindly piss off and shine my shoes junior

[ElTerribleMorales]

Manny becoming a 7 division champ will make him one of the most envied fighter of all time.

lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!

What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto?
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that he went after the two weakest "champs" at 147 , if he was to do it at 147, against Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather, then i'd give him all the credit in the world, same as i did against Hatton

[Addicted to_boxing]

Manny becoming a 7 division champ will make him one of the most envied fighter of all time.

lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!

What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto?
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Poor talent pool ........ once again !!!! earning Belts vs. one of these guys as in when he fought the lesser Diaz, . great "cautious" path too gaining belts !!

[Addicted to_boxing]

Manny becoming a 7 division champ will make him one of the most envied fighter of all time.

lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!

As a pacfan we're used to that, PAC will never get credited for his greatness. Old or dehydrated ODLH's natural height/size advantage warrants him to win but he didnt. Hatton OLD

No, Hatton no "SKILL"

[ElTerribleMorales]

lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!

As a pacfan we're used to that, PAC will never get credited for his greatness. Old or dehydrated ODLH's natural height/size advantage warrants him to win but he didnt. Hatton OLD

No, Hatton no "SKILL"

i give Pacquiao full credit for the Hatton win, but sorry, the DLH fight is utter bullshit dude, even Roach has stated they took the fight because he knew that DLH would be weight drained, and you could be as good as Ray Robinson, but if you're too weak from making weight, the healthier guy is gonna beat you

[Gandalf]

I'm sick of this catch weight bullshit. Either fight at proper weights or don't fight at all. A Mosley fight should be 147 and no lighter. If Manny Pac wants to be a WW then so be it. But forget all this catch weight bullshit. And that is what it is.

[RozzySean]

Pac and Roach are showing what a bunch of pussies they really are, what a gotdam joke.

If you want to fight these guys than fight them at their weight where they are their strongest and best. Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.

When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.

So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.

Also if Roach was saying what a phenom Pac was at 147 with speed and combos, why fear Shane and Cotto then? I smell piss and its coming from roaches pants! By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.

Saddoboxer you crack me up... you honestly think Pac would pick Bertos pocket for a 7th championship? You must be joking !! pac is all wrong for Berto, Andres hands are signifigantlly faster and more powerful. Pac would last 6 with Berto before getting blown out. Berto would outmuscle and outclass pac in every category

Exactly. I weighted 120 at 16 in condition enough to play varsity soccer. In similar condition in my late 20's and early 30's, I weighted 180. If I had been looking to make boxing or wrestling weight at 16, I would have been 112 or 115. With my filled out adult frame, I would have boxed at 160 or 168. So basically, I would have gone from a flyweight/bantamweight to a middleweight/super middle. And like JT says, I'm just an average guy with full time job average athletic ability.

It's amazing that Pac was able to make 130 for as long as he did. Did he look like the smaller man against Hatton? Not by much, if at all. If Pac wants Mosley, let him go to 147 to do it, same with Cotto. It's smart business with Roach, but I won't give Pac a bit of credit if he beat a weight drained 39 y.o. Mosley.

[pacman79]

Pac and Roach are showing what a bunch of pussies they really are, what a gotdam joke.

If you want to fight these guys than fight them at their weight where they are their strongest and best. Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.

When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.

So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.

Also if Roach was saying what a phenom Pac was at 147 with speed and combos, why fear Shane and Cotto then? I smell piss and its coming from roaches pants! By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.

Saddoboxer you crack me up... you honestly think Pac would pick Bertos pocket for a 7th championship? You must be joking !! pac is all wrong for Berto, Andres hands are signifigantlly faster and more powerful. Pac would last 6 with Berto before getting blown out. Berto would outmuscle and outclass pac in every category

Exactly. I weighted 120 at 16 in condition enough to play varsity soccer. In similar condition in my late 20's and early 30's, I weighted 180. If I had been looking to make boxing or wrestling weight at 16, I would have been 112 or 115. With my filled out adult frame, I would have boxed at 160 or 168. So basically, I would have gone from a flyweight/bantamweight to a middleweight/super middle. And like JT says, I'm just an average guy with full time job average athletic ability.

It's amazing that Pac was able to make 130 for as long as he did. Did he look like the smaller man against Hatton? Not by much, if at all. If Pac wants Mosley, let him go to 147 to do it, same with Cotto. It's smart business with Roach, but I won't give Pac a bit of credit if he beat a weight drained 39 y.o. Mosley.

I agree,I'd give him very very little credit and if he thinks he's big enough let him go to 147.
I don't think he is.

[XaduBoxer]

lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!

What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto?
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that he went after the two weakest "champs" at 147 , if he was to do it at 147, against Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather, then i'd give him all the credit in the world, same as i did against Hatton

I agree, winner of Urango-Berto could be the weakest champ at 147... But Urango or Berto could probably give PAC a much tougher fight than Hatton and Hoya... This is not a given fight... Could be 60-40 in favor for PAC...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto?
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that he went after the two weakest "champs" at 147 , if he was to do it at 147, against Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather, then i'd give him all the credit in the world, same as i did against Hatton

I agree, winner of Urango-Berto could be the weakest champ at 147... But Urango or Berto could probably give PAC a much tougher fight than Hatton and Hoya... This is not a given fight... Could be 60-40 in favor for PAC...
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it would be David Diaz all over again, and if Manny was to do it, i'd say that everyone should be entitled to bash him same way Mayweather has been for "cherry picking" cause that's just what it would be

[Spicoli]

I'm sick of this catch weight bullshit. Either fight at proper weights or don't fight at all. A Mosley fight should be 147 and no lighter. If Manny Pac wants to be a WW then so be it. But forget all this catch weight bullshit. And that is what it is.

Largly its become one big glamore show of 'p4p mega fights' that are fueled by the major networks on super star familuarity.Ive been waaaay too cynical on this for the longest,back to HBO clamoring for a Norris vs.Whitaker,Jones jr vs. Whitaker, Tito Trinidad or all of that Jones fighting Mike Tyson hype.Imo,it has everything to do with stardom attached to calling oneself "P4P" in the sport and the coin that gos along with it.I miss dominate Champions!All the while we miss Champions cleaning out a division of as of yet discovered talents,some dismissed because 'we dont know the name' as a major player or serious threat .Sort of a vicious catch 22.

[killersheep]

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
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You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

Floyd is getting the criticism because there are a ton of elite, tough welterweights out there and he chose to fight Marquez, whose last fight was at 135, and has made a career at 130 and below. Floyd has five fights where he could fight boxers who won't be smaller and won't be weight drained. And on that note, other than Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger fighter?

It is more that from a fan's perspective, I want to see Floyd challenged. I'm bored seeing him fight smaller men so he can showcase his skills.

Undefeated Diego Corrales comes to mind.

[killersheep]

I'm sick of this catch weight bullshit. Either fight at proper weights or don't fight at all. A Mosley fight should be 147 and no lighter. If Manny Pac wants to be a WW then so be it. But forget all this catch weight bullshit. And that is what it is.

Catch weights should not be allowed period.

[XaduBoxer]

that he went after the two weakest "champs" at 147 , if he was to do it at 147, against Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather, then i'd give him all the credit in the world, same as i did against Hatton

I agree, winner of Urango-Berto could be the weakest champ at 147... But Urango or Berto could probably give PAC a much tougher fight than Hatton and Hoya... This is not a given fight... Could be 60-40 in favor for PAC...
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it would be David Diaz all over again, and if Manny was to do it, i'd say that everyone should be entitled to bash him same way Mayweather has been for "cherry picking" cause that's just what it would be

I'm not sure how serious PAC is considering a 7th division title for building up his legacy further more... Imagine he will be the only boxer with titles in 7 different weight divisions if he gets that... That's still very amazing even if he gets his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto... PAC can slap his 7th division belt to PBF's face... (PBF got titles in 5 divisions)...
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