Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
Again I don't think he is so much a quitter. Even so people that have quit in fights before still had great careers or wasn't taken away from them. He fought the wrong style for the fight and acknowledged it. And I think it was smart of him to say he shouldnt be taking punishment or get beat up that way. Max Kellerman is an idiot for trying to put a negative spin on it saying he didn't wanna go out on his shield when thats not at all what he said. He said he would never end a fight on his back and would stay in there. That means he wants to fight it out and just lay on the canvas knocked out. And when he said he shouldnt be getting beat up like that he didn't mean he didn't want to be a boxer because he got hurt, he meant that he should have been fighting his fight and boxing rather then fighting the other guys fight and taking unnessesary punishment. But I wouldnt expect Max to understand that.
Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
I don't know the claim that some make that we can critize them cause we are paying to see the fights...well not really how many of us were in the arena last night, wasn't it just included in your regular hbo package??? I mean people of a lesser chin don't get critized for having no heart but just having a weak chin so why the hell should a guy who has recuperative powers and a decent chin take 3x the punishment and suffer more for it later...again nothing but respect to ortiz and most fighters that step in the ring. People can say he quit, whatever, all I know is that 6 rounds was some of the most exciting six rounds of the past year...if quiters fight like that then lets see more of em.
Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
I just watched it. It's weird the way he quit like that. At the end of the fifth he would have been quite happy if his corner had stopped it. I'm guessing in the next week or two we hear that he had bunch of personal problems, that his mind wasn't on the fight, he'll be back better than ever and so on. If he does come back he'll probably do the same thing again though. Something is just not right in his makeup.
Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
victor ortiz seems like a great fighter actually to me and i think its unfair ppl sayin hes not fit to be a boxer.
wen roberto duran refused to fight against leanord did he deserve to give up boxing??
Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
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It's weird the way he quit like that. At the end of the fifth he would have been quite happy if his corner had stopped it. Something is just not right in his makeup.
On this I agree.
Like I said, I do not blame him for quitting. I'd of quit. However, now that I've read what Liang had to say, I am reminded of Mike Tyson and his strange ways.
Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
I maintain that Ortiz has the skills to beat Maidana. He got carried away trying to slug it out with a stronger fighter. When he quit, it looked like he had a golf ball under his eye and the Teenage Mutant Nina Turtles got a shot at his other eye.
To me it did sound like he was considering quitting boxing altogether. Not that he had made up his mind, but he was considering it. It is easy to imagine the Ortiz was overwhelmed in every sense of the word. GBP talking him up as the next big thing, HBO talking him up as indestructable.
So much pressure inside and outside the ring. Some people can't handle it, it's the way of things.
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Many threads on why people give Khan a hard time already, but it's not down to him being an arrogant prick! :rolleyes:
He's no different to any other boxer hyping himself up.
As for Ortiz I haven't seen the fight, anyone know where it'll get uploaded first? Damn UK TV boxing coverage...
Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those
Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks
“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”
Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com
there is one i can look for more later.
Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
Ortiz bit off more than he could chew but it was the referee that agreed with the ring doctor. Ortiz' only fault was he didn't stick to his original plan.
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Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those
Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks
“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”
Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com
there is one i can look for more later.
Grr! Don't get me started on that prize muppet!
What a wonderful way to get a victory over a legend. A dodgy butt and a shady stoppage only after victory was ensured! Should have been a NC. I sound like an old gramophone on this issue! :mad:
Ortiz sounds like DLH and comes across just as cheesy. It was probably a good thing it ended like it did. He's been getting too much hype and was found sorely lacking in the heart department.
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Ortiz might just need a new trainer and absolutely needs to work more on his defense.
Quite a few people here has mentioned that he had the ability to outbox Maidana but came into the fight the wrong way, which I would agree.
Even though I wasn't quite respectful of what happened to MAB in that Khan fight, but at least with a new trainer Khan showed quite an improvement in his defense and ring smarts.
Ortiz probably needs a new trainer to get him back on track.
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Ortiz might just need a new trainer and absolutely needs to work more on his defense.
Quite a few people here has mentioned that he had the ability to outbox Maidana but came into the fight the wrong way, which I would agree.
Even though I wasn't quite respectful of what happened to MAB in that Khan fight, but at least with a new trainer Khan showed quite an improvement in his defense and ring smarts.
Ortiz probably needs a new trainer to get him back on track.
The problem though is it wasn't his trainer, it was him choosing to deviate from the gameplan.
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Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those
Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks
“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”
Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com
there is one i can look for more later.
Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.
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Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.
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respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>
I'm sure those boxes of doughnuts be giving him a hard
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Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.
Lost
respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>
I'm sure those boxes of doughnuts be giving him a hard
whose side are you on VD?
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Lost respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>
I'm sure those boxes of doughnuts be giving him a hard
whose side are you on VD?
Neither. . But what he's saying is actually true. It's idiotic to lose respect for Ortiz in that fight. I think Ortiz was speaking like a biitch in the interview. But to lose respect for him after that fight, I can't do that
