Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[markb018]

Many threads on why people give Khan a hard time already, but it's not down to him being an arrogant prick!

He's no different to any other boxer hyping himself up.

As for Ortiz I haven't seen the fight, anyone know where it'll get uploaded first? Damn UK TV boxing coverage...

Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those

Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks

“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”

Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com

there is one i can look for more later.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Ortiz bit off more than he could chew but it was the referee that agreed with the ring doctor. Ortiz' only fault was he didn't stick to his original plan.

[BoxingGorilla]

Ortiz bit off more than he could chew but it was the referee that agreed with the ring doctor. Ortiz' only fault was he didn't stick to his original plan.

I'm positive that Ortiz looked like he was going to climb out of the ring before the ref called the doc over.

That's how I remember it. Ortiz turning sideways and acting sheepish, then the ref calling in the doctor.

[Gandalf]

Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those

Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks

“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”

Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com

there is one i can look for more later.

Grr! Don't get me started on that prize muppet!

What a wonderful way to get a victory over a legend. A dodgy butt and a shady stoppage only after victory was ensured! Should have been a NC. I sound like an old gramophone on this issue!

Ortiz sounds like DLH and comes across just as cheesy. It was probably a good thing it ended like it did. He's been getting too much hype and was found sorely lacking in the heart department.

[generalbulldog]

Ortiz might just need a new trainer and absolutely needs to work more on his defense.

Quite a few people here has mentioned that he had the ability to outbox Maidana but came into the fight the wrong way, which I would agree.

Even though I wasn't quite respectful of what happened to MAB in that Khan fight, but at least with a new trainer Khan showed quite an improvement in his defense and ring smarts.

Ortiz probably needs a new trainer to get him back on track.

[killersheep]

Ortiz might just need a new trainer and absolutely needs to work more on his defense.

Quite a few people here has mentioned that he had the ability to outbox Maidana but came into the fight the wrong way, which I would agree.

Even though I wasn't quite respectful of what happened to MAB in that Khan fight, but at least with a new trainer Khan showed quite an improvement in his defense and ring smarts.

Ortiz probably needs a new trainer to get him back on track.

The problem though is it wasn't his trainer, it was him choosing to deviate from the gameplan.

[CFH]

Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those

Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks

“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”

Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com

there is one i can look for more later.

Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.

[markb018]

Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks

“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”

Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com

there is one i can look for more later.

Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.

well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.

[HattonTheHammer]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

[HattonTheHammer]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

[ElTerribleMorales]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

i've seen the fight already 4 times, and there were NO flash knock downs from either fighter, they all came from hard, solid shots, and both were hurt

[JT Rock]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,

hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.

But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time

[HattonTheHammer]

Stick to sucking Hatton. Those weren't flash knock downs. I doubt you even saw the fight

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,

hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.

But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

[CFH]

“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”

Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com

there is one i can look for more later.

Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.

well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.

That quote could mean anything. Maybe "the way I did" means to come back after a devestating KO loss and defeat a legend (albeit one who is well past his best), winning every round.

I'm just saying that the quote is ambiguous as best, and nowhere does he call himself great or say anything out of the ordinary. In fact, in terms of boxers talking themselves up that quote is very tame and I see no reason to get bent out of shape about it.

[OumaFan]

There's nothing wrong with what Ortiz did, it was his choice and its not like he pulled a Derrick Gainer during the fight.

But face it part of the fascination with boxing is seeing guys who are willing to lay everything on the line, who are wired like most people aren't really. Diego Corrales, Morales, etc. We have some internet warriors who post with bad intentions regularly but that's not really the same thing. And Ortiz doesn't seem to be wired like a Corrales either. It doesn't mean he's a coward, he gave a good effort, just wilted under the pressure and didn't react well to the cut.