Honestly I have never read any of the books, I swear on my own life.
I have no clue what happens in any of them.
You posted this:
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Alright trucking right along, finished Game of Thrones, and I'm about 150 pages into Clash of Kings. I noticed they took a few chapters from Clash of Kings and put them in the Game of Thrones mini-series. I feel they could have left out those things and instead spent more time on the battles, although I'm sure that would have been a much more expensive way to go.
Have Catelyn and Robb died yet or have you not read that far? :p
And then you also said something about it being scientifically proven that people enjoy books more when they know what is going to happen. I can't find that post, but Killer referred to it a couple of days ago.
Well now you have just spoiled it for me! I have no idea if that happens or not I just made it up! Again, on my life, I have no idea about what happens.
You posted it twice and have no idea if it actually happens? You should get your own 1-800 number. And you were told it was a spoiler in the past too, I think, that's why you posted that bullshit about people finding books more enjoyable when they know what is going to happen after Killersheep got pissed off at you. I think. Now I'm confused.
Sorry for spoiling things for you :p
02-02-2012, 05:59 AM
Kev
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
Oh, the scientifically proven thing was indeed something I read at the time. It's why film trailers usually feature the best bits.
But I swear to you and Killersheep I honestly know nothing at all about the series beyond Season 1.
Surely you have known me long enough by now to know I'm not a total asshole like that? I moan on the main board when people post boxing spoilers, I'd certainly never be so dickish and to deliberately post spoilers on the main board.
If that really happens then I am truly sorry, but honestly I had no idea, it was just a guess as to what I reckoned would happen in Season 2.
This isn't a spoiler here, as I have no idea. But it seems to me the most important characters in the tv show are John Snow, Arya Stark, Daenerys and the dwarf. I just guessed everybody else is expendable.
I mused on the idea that John Snow and Daenerys are brother and sister but that is not a spoiler as I have no idea whatsoever. Just Ned Stark clearly didn't cheat on his wife, and so John Snow is no whore's son. He's the rightful heir to the throne imo but it's a total guess, based on nothing but what the first season showed and a conversation with Ouma who also seemed to think along those lines.
But honestly I know nothing and read nothing about the shows as I like to not know anything.
I don't even read the books for that reason, which I regard as one big collection of spoilers, yet you all seem to think they are fine to read.
02-02-2012, 06:16 AM
CFH
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Oh, the scientifically proven thing was indeed something I read at the time. It's why film trailers usually feature the best bits.
But I swear to you and Killersheep I honestly know nothing at all about the series beyond Season 1.
Surely you have known me long enough by now to know I'm not a total asshole like that? I moan on the main board when people post boxing spoilers, I'd certainly never be so dickish and to deliberately post spoilers on the main board.
If that really happens then I am truly sorry, but honestly I had no idea, it was just a guess as to what I reckoned would happen in Season 2.
This isn't a spoiler here, as I have no idea. But it seems to me the most important characters in the tv show are John Snow, Arya Stark, Daenerys and the dwarf. I just guessed everybody else is expendable.
I mused on the idea that John Snow and Daenerys are brother and sister but that is not a spoiler as I have no idea whatsoever. Just Ned Stark clearly didn't cheat on his wife, and so John Snow is no whore's son. He's the rightful heir to the throne imo but it's a total guess, based on nothing but what the first season showed and a conversation with Ouma who also seemed to think along those lines.
But honestly I know nothing and read nothing about the shows as I like to not know anything.
I don't even read the books for that reason, which I regard as one big collection of spoilers, yet you all seem to think they are fine to read.
Well, I apologize then. I was certain you did it on purpose.
I started reading the books because I loved the first series so much that I couldn't wait to know what happened next. To be perfectly honest, I'm not all that big a fan of the last two books and I don't think Martin is a very good writer, but he tells a great story.
02-02-2012, 06:29 AM
Kev
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
No worries, I feel bad for Killer if he thought I was really spoiling his books for him. No wonder he got so wound up. Sorry mate!
02-02-2012, 06:52 AM
Kev
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Oh, the scientifically proven thing was indeed something I read at the time. It's why film trailers usually feature the best bits.
But I swear to you and Killersheep I honestly know nothing at all about the series beyond Season 1.
Surely you have known me long enough by now to know I'm not a total asshole like that? I moan on the main board when people post boxing spoilers, I'd certainly never be so dickish and to deliberately post spoilers on the main board.
If that really happens then I am truly sorry, but honestly I had no idea, it was just a guess as to what I reckoned would happen in Season 2.
This isn't a spoiler here, as I have no idea. But it seems to me the most important characters in the tv show are John Snow, Arya Stark, Daenerys and the dwarf. I just guessed everybody else is expendable.
I mused on the idea that John Snow and Daenerys are brother and sister but that is not a spoiler as I have no idea whatsoever. Just Ned Stark clearly didn't cheat on his wife, and so John Snow is no whore's son. He's the rightful heir to the throne imo but it's a total guess, based on nothing but what the first season showed and a conversation with Ouma who also seemed to think along those lines.
But honestly I know nothing and read nothing about the shows as I like to not know anything.
I don't even read the books for that reason, which I regard as one big collection of spoilers, yet you all seem to think they are fine to read.
Well, I apologize then. I was certain you did it on purpose.
I started reading the books because I loved the first series so much that I couldn't wait to know what happened next. To be perfectly honest, I'm not all that big a fan of the last two books and I don't think Martin is a very good writer, but he tells a great story.
Sounds a lot like Tolkien in that regard.
02-02-2012, 07:40 AM
CFH
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Oh, the scientifically proven thing was indeed something I read at the time. It's why film trailers usually feature the best bits.
But I swear to you and Killersheep I honestly know nothing at all about the series beyond Season 1.
Surely you have known me long enough by now to know I'm not a total asshole like that? I moan on the main board when people post boxing spoilers, I'd certainly never be so dickish and to deliberately post spoilers on the main board.
If that really happens then I am truly sorry, but honestly I had no idea, it was just a guess as to what I reckoned would happen in Season 2.
This isn't a spoiler here, as I have no idea. But it seems to me the most important characters in the tv show are John Snow, Arya Stark, Daenerys and the dwarf. I just guessed everybody else is expendable.
I mused on the idea that John Snow and Daenerys are brother and sister but that is not a spoiler as I have no idea whatsoever. Just Ned Stark clearly didn't cheat on his wife, and so John Snow is no whore's son. He's the rightful heir to the throne imo but it's a total guess, based on nothing but what the first season showed and a conversation with Ouma who also seemed to think along those lines.
But honestly I know nothing and read nothing about the shows as I like to not know anything.
I don't even read the books for that reason, which I regard as one big collection of spoilers, yet you all seem to think they are fine to read.
Well, I apologize then. I was certain you did it on purpose.
I started reading the books because I loved the first series so much that I couldn't wait to know what happened next. To be perfectly honest, I'm not all that big a fan of the last two books and I don't think Martin is a very good writer, but he tells a great story.
Sounds a lot like Tolkien in that regard.
Maybe. I find he tends to latch on to certain phrases or idiosyncrasies in each book (like the phrases 'sweet sister', 'make water', and 'nunckle' in books 1, 2, and 3 respectively) and he's just not that great of a writer. I don't find his words to really give me a picture of what things/people look like. But, up until book 4 at least where everything got ridiculously fragmented, I really like the story he was telling.
02-02-2012, 06:26 PM
Diane
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
awwww....... seems like a group hug is needed in here. :grouphug:
;D
02-02-2012, 07:51 PM
killersheep
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Oh, the scientifically proven thing was indeed something I read at the time. It's why film trailers usually feature the best bits.
But I swear to you and Killersheep I honestly know nothing at all about the series beyond Season 1.
Surely you have known me long enough by now to know I'm not a total asshole like that? I moan on the main board when people post boxing spoilers, I'd certainly never be so dickish and to deliberately post spoilers on the main board.
If that really happens then I am truly sorry, but honestly I had no idea, it was just a guess as to what I reckoned would happen in Season 2.
This isn't a spoiler here, as I have no idea. But it seems to me the most important characters in the tv show are John Snow, Arya Stark, Daenerys and the dwarf. I just guessed everybody else is expendable.
I mused on the idea that John Snow and Daenerys are brother and sister but that is not a spoiler as I have no idea whatsoever. Just Ned Stark clearly didn't cheat on his wife, and so John Snow is no whore's son. He's the rightful heir to the throne imo but it's a total guess, based on nothing but what the first season showed and a conversation with Ouma who also seemed to think along those lines.
But honestly I know nothing and read nothing about the shows as I like to not know anything.
I don't even read the books for that reason, which I regard as one big collection of spoilers, yet you all seem to think they are fine to read.
Well, I apologize then. I was certain you did it on purpose.
I started reading the books because I loved the first series so much that I couldn't wait to know what happened next. To be perfectly honest, I'm not all that big a fan of the last two books and I don't think Martin is a very good writer, but he tells a great story.
Sounds a lot like Tolkien in that regard.
Maybe. I find he tends to latch on to certain phrases or idiosyncrasies in each book (like the phrases 'sweet sister', 'make water', and 'nunckle' in books 1, 2, and 3 respectively) and he's just not that great of a writer. I don't find his words to really give me a picture of what things/people look like. But, up until book 4 at least where everything got ridiculously fragmented, I really like the story he was telling.
Just curious, who do you think is a great writer? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find I have a very good idea of what places and characters look like based on his descriptions.
02-02-2012, 07:55 PM
killersheep
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
No worries, I feel bad for Killer if he thought I was really spoiling his books for him. No wonder he got so wound up. Sorry mate!
Well, not only was I pissed at you, but also my mother-in-law who actually spoiled book 4 for me (which has a lot to do with your guess). I can't neg rep her so here we are. I don't know what her problem is, even after my wife and I explicitly tell her "don't tell us anything we don't want it spoiled" she reveals the conclusive twist ending to any book, movie or TV series we may be interested in at any given time.
So yeah I suppose I can accept your apology.
02-02-2012, 08:24 PM
El Kabong
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
I didn't make it very far in the series (tv), but I must say that blonde girl is amazing....her being nude several times over almost makes up for all the elves and witches and magical whatnot that goes on in the show. The little dude is pretty cool too, gave a hell of a speech at some award ceremony.
02-02-2012, 09:26 PM
killersheep
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
I didn't make it very far in the series (tv), but I must say that blonde girl is amazing....her being nude several times over almost makes up for all the elves and witches and magical whatnot that goes on in the show. The little dude is pretty cool too, gave a hell of a speech at some award ceremony.
Spoken like a true southern gentleman.
02-02-2012, 09:39 PM
Kev
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
No worries, I feel bad for Killer if he thought I was really spoiling his books for him. No wonder he got so wound up. Sorry mate!
Well, not only was I pissed at you, but also my mother-in-law who actually spoiled book 4 for me (which has a lot to do with your guess). I can't neg rep her so here we are. I don't know what her problem is, even after my wife and I explicitly tell her "don't tell us anything we don't want it spoiled" she reveals the conclusive twist ending to any book, movie or TV series we may be interested in at any given time.
So yeah I suppose I can accept your apology.
That's cool, thanks. And kind of ironic that the only person I really ended up spoiling with my spoiler was myself as you and CFH have now revealed it to be true :D
Although I think the very nature of the books and this game of thrones means that very few will ultimately make it out alive.
02-03-2012, 03:10 AM
CFH
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Oh, the scientifically proven thing was indeed something I read at the time. It's why film trailers usually feature the best bits.
But I swear to you and Killersheep I honestly know nothing at all about the series beyond Season 1.
Surely you have known me long enough by now to know I'm not a total asshole like that? I moan on the main board when people post boxing spoilers, I'd certainly never be so dickish and to deliberately post spoilers on the main board.
If that really happens then I am truly sorry, but honestly I had no idea, it was just a guess as to what I reckoned would happen in Season 2.
This isn't a spoiler here, as I have no idea. But it seems to me the most important characters in the tv show are John Snow, Arya Stark, Daenerys and the dwarf. I just guessed everybody else is expendable.
I mused on the idea that John Snow and Daenerys are brother and sister but that is not a spoiler as I have no idea whatsoever. Just Ned Stark clearly didn't cheat on his wife, and so John Snow is no whore's son. He's the rightful heir to the throne imo but it's a total guess, based on nothing but what the first season showed and a conversation with Ouma who also seemed to think along those lines.
But honestly I know nothing and read nothing about the shows as I like to not know anything.
I don't even read the books for that reason, which I regard as one big collection of spoilers, yet you all seem to think they are fine to read.
Well, I apologize then. I was certain you did it on purpose.
I started reading the books because I loved the first series so much that I couldn't wait to know what happened next. To be perfectly honest, I'm not all that big a fan of the last two books and I don't think Martin is a very good writer, but he tells a great story.
Sounds a lot like Tolkien in that regard.
Maybe. I find he tends to latch on to certain phrases or idiosyncrasies in each book (like the phrases 'sweet sister', 'make water', and 'nunckle' in books 1, 2, and 3 respectively) and he's just not that great of a writer. I don't find his words to really give me a picture of what things/people look like. But, up until book 4 at least where everything got ridiculously fragmented, I really like the story he was telling.
Just curious, who do you think is a great writer? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find I have a very good idea of what places and characters look like based on his descriptions.
Maybe it is just the way I read it then.
I almost never read fiction and haven't for probably a decade, so I don't have a lot of Martin's peers that I can compare him to. I used to really love Robert Jordan when I was a kid and seem to remember having vivid images of his characters and settings.
02-03-2012, 03:11 AM
CFH
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Diane
awwww....... seems like a group hug is needed in here. :grouphug:
;D
Mayweather is going to knock Cotto out :lickish:
02-03-2012, 03:36 AM
Gandalf
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
02-03-2012, 03:38 AM
CFH
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
Not everything has to be completely serious all the time you know...
02-03-2012, 03:47 AM
Gandalf
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
Not everything has to be completely serious all the time you know...
I'm all for humour in books. Naked Lunch is hilarious satire. However, I do draw the line at some things. Lord of the rings is the only fantasy I would tolerate and that is because I read it when I was young. Any 31 year old suddenly getting into Harry Potter would be silly. They should be finding richness in literature rather than juvenile thrills all magical and gay. I like games too, but none of that "hocus pocus I will cast a spell on you" madness.
Great writers generally avoid it, though Burroughs got a little weird in his career sometimes. But he was off his head a lot of the time.
02-03-2012, 03:59 AM
Diane
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Diane
awwww....... seems like a group hug is needed in here. :grouphug:
;D
Mayweather is going to knock Cotto out :lickish:
:hair_up:
:mad:
:slap:
;D
02-03-2012, 04:16 AM
killersheep
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
02-03-2012, 07:07 AM
Gandalf
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.
02-03-2012, 11:17 AM
Gandalf
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
Actually I want to apologize to all the people who are into goblins and dwarf Queens and all of that. People are free to enjoy whatever they like and I just took issue with the daft name and my general perceptions of the fantasy genre. I like The Empire Strikes Back and call myself Gandalf. I should be nice to people liking their fantasy to be a little bit different.
I'm sorry. Bilbo is now going to call me a cunt for posting in response to myself. :rolleyes:
02-03-2012, 03:48 PM
killersheep
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.
You're such a Gradgrind. ;D
02-03-2012, 03:49 PM
Gandalf
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.
You're such a Gradgrind. ;D
I know, and I said sorry. I mean it.
02-03-2012, 03:51 PM
killersheep
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.
You're such a Gradgrind. ;D
I know, and I said sorry. I mean it.
As a point of context "Gradgrind" was my word of the day and I had to use it. It kind of applied to this conversation on a few levels. Thanks for the help bro!
02-03-2012, 03:57 PM
Gandalf
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.
You're such a Gradgrind. ;D
I know, and I said sorry. I mean it.
As a point of context "Gradgrind" was my word of the day and I had to use it. It kind of applied to this conversation on a few levels. Thanks for the help bro!
You are too intellectual for an decadent old dead fool such as myself. I am glad I was of help. ;)
02-03-2012, 04:01 PM
killersheep
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.
You're such a Gradgrind. ;D
I know, and I said sorry. I mean it.
As a point of context "Gradgrind" was my word of the day and I had to use it. It kind of applied to this conversation on a few levels. Thanks for the help bro!
You are too intellectual for an decadent old dead fool such as myself. I am glad I was of help. ;)
Oh come now, I know I'm the village idiot. No illusions about that.
02-03-2012, 04:07 PM
Gandalf
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.
Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.
You're such a Gradgrind. ;D
I know, and I said sorry. I mean it.
As a point of context "Gradgrind" was my word of the day and I had to use it. It kind of applied to this conversation on a few levels. Thanks for the help bro!
You are too intellectual for an decadent old dead fool such as myself. I am glad I was of help. ;)
Oh come now, I know I'm the village idiot. No illusions about that.
I would rather be the village idiot than me. He has an easy life.
02-03-2012, 08:17 PM
OumaFan
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the fifth book certainly lagged in the middle but overall I thought it was better than Crows. I liked both books but more in the sense of comparing them to other books. They don't stand up as well compared to the first three.
There are certain things that annoyed me about the fifth but it would be extremely spoiler-ish to discuss it. I could start another thread for readers only but really that would be geek overload. Its not as bad as talking about Lost (but what about the polar bear?), but its a bit much.
02-03-2012, 08:21 PM
El Kabong
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....which page is the naked blonde girl on???
02-03-2012, 09:26 PM
CFH
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the fifth book certainly lagged in the middle but overall I thought it was better than Crows. I liked both books but more in the sense of comparing them to other books. They don't stand up as well compared to the first three.
There are certain things that annoyed me about the fifth but it would be extremely spoiler-ish to discuss it. I could start another thread for readers only but really that would be geek overload. Its not as bad as talking about Lost (but what about the polar bear?), but its a bit much.
I'm about 150 pages into the 5th book. It's better than Crows, but it still hasn't grabbed me like book 1-3. I just think the story has become too bloated, fragmented, and disconnect. Martin has lost control.
Also, knowing the fat old bastard is going to die before it ever gets finished may also have helped kill my enthusiasm.
02-04-2012, 09:11 PM
OumaFan
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He's got to stick to 7 books. And the next one needs to be like 2 years from now, not 5 or 6.
I've never read those wheel of time books and don't have any plans to do so (way too many books to read). But from all I've heard they turned to absolute shit for the last four or five books before the guy died, but now they've got this new guy writing them with the previous author's help and they're supposedly much better. So maybe that will happen.
I don't think the last two have been absolute shit though.
02-04-2012, 09:52 PM
CFH
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He's got to stick to 7 books. And the next one needs to be like 2 years from now, not 5 or 6.
I've never read those wheel of time books and don't have any plans to do so (way too many books to read). But from all I've heard they turned to absolute shit for the last four or five books before the guy died, but now they've got this new guy writing them with the previous author's help and they're supposedly much better. So maybe that will happen.
I don't think the last two have been absolute shit though.
I think the last WoT book I read was number 6 or 7.
The difference between Jordan and Martin is that Jordan had everything planned out well in advance. He knew exactly where his story was going, so it was relatively easy for another author to pick it up for him. Martin openly admits he is just winging it.
03-14-2012, 01:19 AM
AdamGB
Re: Game of Thrones (spoilers)
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For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant? :rolleyes:
Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.
Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?! ;)
If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.
03-14-2012, 05:35 AM
Gandalf
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For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant? :rolleyes:
Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.
Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?! ;)
If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.
Oh dear. Lord of the rings is mainly read by children for good reason. Yes, there are themes but there are also characters like Tom Bombadil, dwarves and goblins. That stuff is gay and as far as I am aware, pure fantasy land. If you hold that as mighty literature then good for you, but I would much rather read something like 1984 or Crime and Punishment to get my insights into character and overriding 'themes'.
'Fucking genocide'? A strange way to put it IMO. You should probably calm down. Lord of the rings is what it is. It is fun, but hardly the pinnacle of all that is great in literature.
03-14-2012, 06:33 AM
killersheep
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For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant? :rolleyes:
Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.
Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?! ;)
If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.
Oh dear. Lord of the rings is mainly read by children for good reason. Yes, there are themes but there are also characters like Tom Bombadil, dwarves and goblins. That stuff is gay and as far as I am aware, pure fantasy land. If you hold that as mighty literature then good for you, but I would much rather read something like 1984 or Crime and Punishment to get my insights into character and overriding 'themes'.
'Fucking genocide'? A strange way to put it IMO. You should probably calm down. Lord of the rings is what it is. It is fun, but hardly the pinnacle of all that is great in literature.
You could go with reading a book for fun once in a while.
03-14-2012, 06:41 AM
killersheep
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I'm about 500 pages into the DwD now, trying to finish before season 2 starts.
03-14-2012, 06:48 AM
Gandalf
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For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.
Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant? :rolleyes:
Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.
Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?! ;)
If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.
Oh dear. Lord of the rings is mainly read by children for good reason. Yes, there are themes but there are also characters like Tom Bombadil, dwarves and goblins. That stuff is gay and as far as I am aware, pure fantasy land. If you hold that as mighty literature then good for you, but I would much rather read something like 1984 or Crime and Punishment to get my insights into character and overriding 'themes'.
'Fucking genocide'? A strange way to put it IMO. You should probably calm down. Lord of the rings is what it is. It is fun, but hardly the pinnacle of all that is great in literature.
You could go with reading a book for fun once in a while.
I did, that's why I decided to become a Jack the Ripper expert! :p
Lord of the Rings is fun enough and I have no qualms with people enjoying it. I just don't regard it as masterful literature.
03-14-2012, 10:43 AM
AdamGB
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How much of 1984 would you miss if you read it when you were 9?
A book that can be enjoyed by younger and older readers alike on different levels is masterful.
03-14-2012, 11:12 AM
Gandalf
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How much of 1984 would you miss if you read it when you were 9?
A book that can be enjoyed by younger and older readers alike on different levels is masterful.
Younger people can enjoy Orwell, I first got into him through my school library. Every kid has read Animal Farm. That is a book that can be enjoyed as a fairy story for kids or a critique of Soviet Communism as an adult. 1984 emerges when you enter your teens.
As I keep repeating Tolkien can be fun, but it isn't higher literature. People don't study it on English courses for good reason. There are better books to analyze. It is correct that kids study To Kill a Mockingbird, Great Expectations and King Lear over LoTR.
But if you like it then that is COOL. I don't have an issue with you and others liking it a lot, I just don't elevate it like you do. I like it too, but it simply isn't anything I would put in my list of top 100 books to read in my final month to live or anything like that. I am not Christopher Lee.
03-14-2012, 11:14 AM
Gandalf
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Not that I read 100 books a month. Let's change that to final year rather than month. I am not Chomsky.
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