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Yyyyyeah what's funny about that is that it doesn't matter. I keep telling you, you keep spouting off about it....again it doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Largest popular vote margin in history and???? Senate remains Republican....how does that make you feel?
Was it a blue wave? Let's see if The Young Turks believe that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2dFP6h9b4
....They called for 45 (Trotsky look alike contest winner Ben Mankiewicz) and 55 (Cenk Uygur)......the Democrats ended up winning like what 27? :dontknow:
And Kirk's all "Muh Popular vote".....it doesn't mean shit Kirk. Might mean that Republicans have left the big cities, but that is all. You celebrating that?
The Democrats will either win 40 or 41 seats in the House*. I already explained the Senate to you. I don't know how to explain it any more simply than I already have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
*Depending on the outcome of an election in North Carolina that looks to have been won by some actual voter fraud. Although it was the GOP candidate allegedly responsible for the fraud so this could be the Democrats' 41st seat. If the voter fraud allegations are proved then the fraud would dwarf all the proven voter fraud (44 cases out of over a billion votes in national elections since 2000) in modern history.
What a lovely heritage and set of traditional values you have in North Carolina:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/...-carolina.html
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingYes Lyle, it happens to every president that their personal lawyer at some point turns state's evidence against them and gives seventy odd hours of testimony to the FBI about crimes their boss was involved in. This is nothing out of the ordinary at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongLOL ..... Robert Mueller "Here's my KEY witness against Trump, he's going to sink him soooo bad"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Average Joe "OK, what do you have him on?"
Robert Mueller "He lied to the FBI!"
Average Joe "Trump?"
Mueller "No, Cohen"
Average Joe "So we're supposed to trust an ADMITTED liar?"
But hey, far be it from me to poke holes in your fantasyland story ;D
Let's watch this all play out shall we? That's all I've ever asked....if Cohen goes to jail hell maybe he earned it. As I always say We shall see what happens.....but I'm thinking Trump will be just fine.
OK Mr. "if ALL the Senate seats were being voted on" ...... :11fb8::LOLATYOU::lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat I know is you have no idea what you're on about. No fucking clue at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong.....so you don't understand why you should feel humiliated about that or what? I don't get it :dontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Just don't even ATTEMPT to talk civics or American politics with me anymore, go watch some fucking Schoolhouse Rock and learn a few things about our actual political system and not your fairy tale wishin' and a hopin' and a dreamin' nonsense.
"But muh popular vote"......yeah yeah we got it, 53-47 Senate remains Republican, no Blue wave, no gigantic overwhelming Earth shattering REEEEEEEsistance victory, no impeachment oh hey I wonder if Trump will just pummel the bejesus out of Nancy Pelosi on the daily now....oh that'll be fun to watch, you have won watching THAT and that's about it.
Hit the books son, study up on American politics and civics because my God... your lack of knowledge about it is impressive, I must say, I was ASTONISHED at it.
Cohen admitting to the various crimes is only part of the evidence Mueller has. The whole thing is backed up with contemporaneous emails, various other electronic documentation, phone records and other peoples' testimony. So far we maybe know about ten or fifteen percent of what Mueller knows. The story is dribbling out in the various charging documents. Since I last posted we've discovered that Cohen was coordinating his lies to Congress with Trump's legal people and Trump and there's documentation and other testimony to prove it. It's looking like the theory that Trump agreed to drop sanctions on Russia in return for business opportunities in Russia like a Moscow apartment skyscraper could be accurate. It would confirm another part of the Steele dossier too. We'll see eventually if Mueller has enough evidence to prove it in court.
Just out of interest Lyle, why is every single person on the Trump side of this lying? Every fucking one of them. Trump, Trump Junior, Attorney General Sessions, National Security Advisor Flynn, Trump's personal lawyer (his tax attorney just got raided by the Feds too, staff sent home and the Feds took over the office), Kushner, Manafort (campaign head), Gates (replacement campaign head), Giuliani and half a dozen other campaign advisors. They've all told proven, documented lies Lyle. And then Trump hires a crooked failed hot tub salesman as the fucking Attorney General. It's impossible that all these people are independently lying, not to mention the fact that the Kremlin also repeated and provided false corroboration for things which we now know to be lies. It can be demonstrated that there has to be somebody coordinating all these lies. There's no other way it could have happened.
And you don't always say we'll see what happens. You started saying that when reality started dawning that the crazy conspiracy shit you were coming out with might not be true. But I've got all the crazy stuff you came out with bookmarked.
And the Democrats won the biggest midterm popular vote margin in history. Res ipsa loquitur.
Come on Lyle, nothing to say about the Mueller investigation?
The Latest Midterm Results: Democrats Win U.S. House of RepresentativesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
http://time.com/5446274/midterm-election-results/
After two years of Republican control in Congress, the Democrats gained 27 seats in the House, guaranteeing a majority of at least two seats. Winners were undetermined in 23 House races, with Democrats likely to claim nine of those seats, according to Associated Press projections.
So again.....not 55, not 45, MAYBE 40 or 41 like you say IF things hold up but even then Kirkland Democrats, the media, etc were saying "Blue Wave" winning the House and Senate.
Ummm YOU explained to ME? Uh dude you're apparently still painfully unaware that Senate elections are staggered 1/3rd voted on 2/3rds remain....EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It's like that on purpose, it's like the Founding Fathers PLANNED FOR THAT TO BE THE CASE......oh but I'm sorry YOU were explaining what to ME about the Senate you fucking idiot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Yes as a North Carolinian I cannot tell you oh how many times we oft talk about the Wilmington Race Riot and refer to them as "The Good old days". What the actual fuck do you think that article accomplishes? Even the likes of Jesse Helms is "ancient" when discussing today's politics and the article goes back to the fucking 1890's.....typical ignorant Yankees, they like to try and focus on all the problems of the South and the racism that is (according to them) ONLY located here and yet they act as though there's 0 problems for anyone up in New York.....typical.
Waddell was a Democrat...the racists always are: LBJ, Bull Connor, George Wallace, David Duke...Hillary Clinton.
As for voter fraud, never you worry, there's going to be a report on that soon....nationwide report on it ;)
T? Are you Corey Booker's imaginary friend T-Bone? YAY.....Hey T-Bone! :wavey:
As for Mueller.....what the fuck does he have? I'm asking, list it out, what does he have? Every single person he's relying on has lied, each fucking one of them. You think Mueller is going to do ANYTHING to harm Trump? I don't. In fact I'm betting after all of this Mueller is in for bigger trouble than Trump.
If they had ANYTHING damning on Trump it would have come out before the election #1 and #2 the more they stall the more it looks like Mueller is the one with something to hide......and yeah he's got something weighing heavy on him, but I'm just going to let you twist in the wind wondering about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It's more fun this way T-Bone ;D
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Originally Posted by El KabongThe Latest Midterm Results: Democrats Win U.S. House of RepresentativesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
http://time.com/5446274/midterm-election-results/
After two years of Republican control in Congress, the Democrats gained 27 seats in the House, guaranteeing a majority of at least two seats. Winners were undetermined in 23 House races, with Democrats likely to claim nine of those seats, according to Associated Press projections.
So again.....not 55, not 45, MAYBE 40 or 41 like you say IF things hold up but even then Kirkland Democrats, the media, etc were saying "Blue Wave" winning the House and Senate.
Ummm YOU explained to ME? Uh dude you're apparently still painfully unaware that Senate elections are staggered 1/3rd voted on 2/3rds remain....EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It's like that on purpose, it's like the Founding Fathers PLANNED FOR THAT TO BE THE CASE......oh but I'm sorry YOU were explaining what to ME about the Senate you fucking idiot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Yes as a North Carolinian I cannot tell you oh how many times we oft talk about the Wilmington Race Riot and refer to them as "The Good old days". What the actual fuck do you think that article accomplishes? Even the likes of Jesse Helms is "ancient" when discussing today's politics and the article goes back to the fucking 1890's.....typical ignorant Yankees, they like to try and focus on all the problems of the South and the racism that is (according to them) ONLY located here and yet they act as though there's 0 problems for anyone up in New York.....typical.
Waddell was a Democrat...the racists always are: LBJ, Bull Connor, George Wallace, David Duke...Hillary Clinton.
As for voter fraud, never you worry, there's going to be a report on that soon....nationwide report on it ;)
T? Are you Corey Booker's imaginary friend T-Bone? YAY.....Hey T-Bone! :wavey:
As for Mueller.....what the fuck does he have? I'm asking, list it out, what does he have? Every single person he's relying on has lied, each fucking one of them. You think Mueller is going to do ANYTHING to harm Trump? I don't. In fact I'm betting after all of this Mueller is in for bigger trouble than Trump.
The Tome magazine link is from election night Lyle. Lots of results come in after election night. The Democrats' 40th seat was won only a few days ago:
California Democratic win solidifies 40th House seat
The last midterm congressional race was also decided Nov. 28 in Fresno County, with Democrat T.J. Cox finally knocking off incumbent Republican Rep. David Valadao to become the 40th House seat secured by the promised Big Blue Wave.
https://www.losangelesblade.com/2018...th-house-seat/
And it could be forty one with the voter fraud thing in your state still to be decided. If anybody out there is reading these posts then they're welcome to go back and have a look and see who knows what they're talking about. The fact you even mentioned the Senate in the first place shows you don't have a clue what you're on about.
Except you're not betting. You won't put any money up at all. You're still believing that crazy conspiracy stuff. If you want to bet that Mueller has more legal worries than Trump, that Mueller will face more legal sanction than Trump will then let's have a bet. As it is I have another two posts bookmarked to laugh at in the future. Mueller has nothing at all to worry about. Trump on the other hand is acting like an obviously guilty man. I'll bet you any amount of money you want. The loser sends the money to charities or a charity of the other's choice and provided verifiable reciepts to prove they paid the money. I bet you won't make a bet. You don't have the balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe Latest Midterm Results: Democrats Win U.S. House of RepresentativesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
http://time.com/5446274/midterm-election-results/
After two years of Republican control in Congress, the Democrats gained 27 seats in the House, guaranteeing a majority of at least two seats. Winners were undetermined in 23 House races, with Democrats likely to claim nine of those seats, according to Associated Press projections.
So again.....not 55, not 45, MAYBE 40 or 41 like you say IF things hold up but even then Kirkland Democrats, the media, etc were saying "Blue Wave" winning the House and Senate.
Ummm YOU explained to ME? Uh dude you're apparently still painfully unaware that Senate elections are staggered 1/3rd voted on 2/3rds remain....EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It's like that on purpose, it's like the Founding Fathers PLANNED FOR THAT TO BE THE CASE......oh but I'm sorry YOU were explaining what to ME about the Senate you fucking idiot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Yes as a North Carolinian I cannot tell you oh how many times we oft talk about the Wilmington Race Riot and refer to them as "The Good old days". What the actual fuck do you think that article accomplishes? Even the likes of Jesse Helms is "ancient" when discussing today's politics and the article goes back to the fucking 1890's.....typical ignorant Yankees, they like to try and focus on all the problems of the South and the racism that is (according to them) ONLY located here and yet they act as though there's 0 problems for anyone up in New York.....typical.
Waddell was a Democrat...the racists always are: LBJ, Bull Connor, George Wallace, David Duke...Hillary Clinton.
As for voter fraud, never you worry, there's going to be a report on that soon....nationwide report on it ;)
T? Are you Corey Booker's imaginary friend T-Bone? YAY.....Hey T-Bone! :wavey:
As for Mueller.....what the fuck does he have? I'm asking, list it out, what does he have? Every single person he's relying on has lied, each fucking one of them. You think Mueller is going to do ANYTHING to harm Trump? I don't. In fact I'm betting after all of this Mueller is in for bigger trouble than Trump.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And you're putting money up? You going to put money up on all 100 Senate seats being up for election in the same year? Because I'll bet 100% of all my current and future earnings including my home, car, and hell I'll throw my dog in there too for that one.....deal???? I mean YOU did say that you explained the Senate to me so you seem pretty confident......do we have a deal? ;D
Oh ok on Bob Mueller, how much would you care to lose?
.....well ok then
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Ooooh seems as though General Flynn has been helping with an investigation outside of Mueller's purview and it's recommended that he serve 0 jail time.....huh what are the odds :dontknow:
Whatever could he be helping with that's so important the details are heavily redacted?
I had to explain your own electoral system to you. It's not the first time either.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And you're putting money up? You going to put money up on all 100 Senate seats being up for election in the same year? Because I'll bet 100% of all my current and future earnings including my home, car, and hell I'll throw my dog in there too for that one.....deal???? I mean YOU did say that you explained the Senate to me so you seem pretty confident......do we have a deal? ;D
Oh ok on Bob Mueller, how much would you care to lose?
I'll bet whatever amount you want to bet. I actually checked on twitter and the Q anon idiots belive that Mueller is somehow facing legal issues due to the Uranium One thing. No the wonder you didn't want to come out and say it in public. If there are any indictments against Mueller for Uranium One or anything else I'll give you ten to ine against however much money you put up. If you put a thousand dollars up I'll give you a thousand to one. If it turns out Mueller is indicted for anything criminal and you've pledged a thousand dollars that would mean a million dollars going to the charity of your choice. Less than a thousand and it's ten to one. If Mueller doesn't face and charges you have to give however much money you pledged to the charity/ies of my choosing.
And again, I'll bet that whatever crazy shit the Q anon people think this would be (something against the deep state) turns out to be nonsense. It's probably to do with him being an undeclared agent of the Turkish government or something similar. Mueller isn't investigating any non-Trump people here and this redacted stuff isn't anything to do with the non-Trump side of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
https://twitter.com/BowTiePolitics/s...31637062184960
This is the biggest voter fraud scandal in modern history. It's going to dwarf the kind of in person voter fraud that the GOP say voter ID is necessary for to stop it happening (44 cases of in person voter ID fraud out of over a billion votes since 2000).
And more GOP voter fraud! :
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/l...ing-signatures
And more GOP voter suppression!
https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298
Kirk u are so full of poo it’s not even funny. Many instances of voter fraud brought up here u dismiss when it’s democratic, this time u see a mention of repub and you do the old twatter links. It would be funny if it wasn’t so troll ishQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Was this before or after all 100 Senate seats were voted on? You absolute retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Kirkland I will bet you a BILLION dollars. I will send you my motherfucking kidney along with the deed to my house, my car, and my dog. I don't want any of your money AT ALL. That fair enough? That high enough stakes for you?
Gen. Flynn isn't spending time in jail, Robert Mueller WILL or hell maybe he'll mysteriously die suddenly as folk are wont to do these days.
Do you know ANYTHING about who exactly Mueller is relying on to get these folks to roll on Trump?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Justices Unanimously Overturn Conviction of Arthur Andersen
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/b...-andersen.html
What's that? Unanimous? That's good right? Right @Kirkland Laing to have the conviction you fought for unanimously overturned...good thing?
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
If anything fishy is found it'll open up the floodgates....but I don't think you'll like where that ends up going.
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Mueller has lied to Congress in the past, maybe that’s why he is so god at getting people to lie.
Well whatever the case may be we'll see how things go in 2020 when all 100 Senate seats are up for grabs :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Forty four documented cases of in person voter fraud since the start of the century.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusKirk u are so full of poo it’s not even funny. Many instances of voter fraud brought up here u dismiss when it’s democratic, this time u see a mention of repub and you do the old twatter links. It would be funny if it wasn’t so troll ishQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I'm not the one who thought all hundred Senate seats were up for election! You were!Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas this before or after all 100 Senate seats were voted on? You absolute retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Kirkland I will bet you a BILLION dollars. I will send you my motherfucking kidney along with the deed to my house, my car, and my dog. I don't want any of your money AT ALL. That fair enough? That high enough stakes for you?
Gen. Flynn isn't spending time in jail, Robert Mueller WILL or hell maybe he'll mysteriously die suddenly as folk are wont to do these days.
Do you know ANYTHING about who exactly Mueller is relying on to get these folks to roll on Trump?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Justices Unanimously Overturn Conviction of Arthur Andersen
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/b...-andersen.html
What's that? Unanimous? That's good right? Right @Kirkland Laing to have the conviction you fought for unanimously overturned...good thing?
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
If anything fishy is found it'll open up the floodgates....but I don't think you'll like where that ends up going.
WE
SHALL
SEE
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...48#post1503648
Are you actually offering to bet that Mueller will be convicted of something? You're not getting my money and I'm not getting yours. The loser sends the money to the charity/ies of the other's choice. How much would you like to bet on this?
OK so the Democrats won OMG the greatest biggest most amazing popular vote EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MAN!!!!! But also failed to win Senate elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So enlighten me Kirk, just who exactly votes on Senators? I mean does popular vote not apply to them? You trying to say maybe it's WHERE the Senate seats WERE that made a difference? That it? Then I guess that whole "OMG popular vote so huge!!!!" deal ain't all it's cracked up to be is it?
Fucking whatever Kirkland, you badger me about betting and then you're all "Are ya sure? Are ya super sure?" ....WHAT DO YOU WANT? Choose an amount. I don't fucking care because Mueller's bullshit investigation is just about wrapped up and it won't prove jack shit and after that he'll be charged for his dealings with Uranium 1.
Corker and Graham are spot on concerning the Presidents reaction and handling of the Saudi prince. But Un American..holy shit balls! A lot of weird wind blowing these last few weeks, some vile stuff. What Wisconsin is doing to a dually elected incoming Administration is the stuff of banana Republics and a turn to the dark side. Kelly acknowledging Russia was meddling in the mid terms and now North Carolina. Our systems I fear are teetering and all we do is dig in deeper trenches and rage tribal fires. This Republic better get its shit together and have something to pass on to the next.
The issue with Saudi Arabia and their leader is a bit deeper than "OMG he had a reporter murdered!!!!" ....there are other leaders who have done far far worse. What is the deal with Kashoggi anyway? Why is everyone so hot on him? I mean it sucks he was murdered but because he was murdered it should ruin our relationship with the current leader of Saudi Arabia? I don't quite get it. Someone explain to me why Kashoggi is worth being this upset about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
NC may well have a "do-over" which will be quite fun and a waste of money.
@Spicoli, define "meddle"/"meddling" because Russia (and others) have attempted to impact our elections since we became a nation. I mean well at that point Russia wasn't really a thing, but post WW1/Russian Revolution 100% absolutely they have been involved in pushing a narrative (which some folks follow no questions asked)...look at Hollywood right now, where's there money coming from more and more? Starts with a CH ends with an INA ....worth thinking about.
I like how Kirkland blindly assumes there's 0 voter fraud because people don't get charged with it.....ever think that the folks who are elected and IN CHARGE of such things might have a vested interest in that fraud being concealed? Also Illegal Immigrants can get Welfare and go to Public Schools and use our Emergency Rooms and all that shit but won't go vote to decide on WHO is running and funding the shit their using?!?! I guess it's just more bigotry of low expectations
I believe their problem and the problem would seem to be Trumps complete denial and refusal to take a stand in the first place. Initially he showed some spine or taking a moral stand and the next he's boiling it all down to a price tag about weapon systems, a false amount also apparently. We should not tolerate being mislead by repugnant thugs and renowned murders. People argue well they've done so much worse..but here they are again doing it and we shrug our shoulders and stick out fingers in our ears refusing to listen to fellow party leaders, Intelligence findings and literal texts and audio evidence. I mean Bolton with "I don't want to listen because I don't speak Arabic" ???. What is the actual flying fook is that shat! I think it's another case of given ground and coddling very bad operators. And it will come back on us, it always does.
And it was Defense Secretary James Mattis not Kelly, my bad. He was short on specifics but if we put 2 and 2 together do we get 5. Mattis goes on with "There is no doubt the relationship has worsened. He tried again to muck around in our elections this last month,". "We are seeing a continued effort around those lines." I would have liked to see Trump stand up at the G 20 and at the very least look Putin in the eye and acknowledge what Putin did with the ships and sailors of Crimea or the mucking around. But..nothing. Zilch on a public stage. He couldn't turn his back get out of their fast enough, be bigger than his personal grievances and it's unfortunate. And that high five bro hug with the Saudi prince and Putin as he comes in shuffling in the background? They might as well have their middle fingers firmly planted on the Presidents forehead. I don't like it.
OK I guess you'll have to school me as to where you individually draw the line on which nation. Saudi Arabia has a new leader, a new leader who just entered into a deal to buy arms from the US (ABOVE BOARD...an absolutely brand new concept for them) and they happen to also have had a reporter murdered. OK, we could say "Hey Saudi Arabia fuck you and we're not doing business with you ever again!" or we could be more nuanced in our approach seeing how there's no lack of business partners waiting to get that Saudi $$$$$ including our direct rivals Russia and China....would you want us to hurt ourselves AND help our enemies AND alienate a new leader in a nation which COULD be steered into the right direction? I think most situations at that level have a lot more moving parts than you or I could deal with...now you can sit here and SAY "I would have done this! And they can just fuck right off!!!" but actually doing it would likely have negative repercussions on you and your White House. Now I'm not saying "Give them a slap on the wrist and let them go" I'm more of the mind to leverage the power they've just given you by getting caught doing stupid shit...but I guess that's just me, i guess I'm alone in that.Quote:
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So you want IMMEDIATE vengeance? Isn't that how the Iraq War part 2 started? I mean there's "gee I wish something would happen like this" and then there's reality...let Putin and Muhammad Bin Salman do their bro hug and whatever...there will be a time and a place when Trump will act. But I guess it's not good enough.
I guess Trump doesn't know what he's doing, he called Kim Jong Un "Little Rocket Man" and it was OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
Trump meets with Kim Jong Un and helps end the Korean War and it's OH MY GOD HOW COULD HE MEET WITH THAT TERRIBLE DICTATOR!!!!
He's damned if he does he's damned if he doesn't at the end of that people were seemingly disappointed the Korean War didn't heat back up and it's the same shit with Putin. What the fuck do you want Trump to do to the man in public? Punch him? Give him a wedgie? If he did people would go back to the OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! stance but now, Trump is standing firm with Putin, he's said he's not happy with how things in Crimea are being handled...but it takes a delicate touch, unless of course we want a shooting war with Russia, you want that? I don't much care for the idea, I wouldn't back down from it, but I don't see it as being in our best interests as a nation to do that.
No see those are the extremes that we've become conditioned to default to..no one is saying all or nothing, nuclear decimation or unicorns and rainbows. But their has to be a steady consistent hand in our response to these wiffle dicks. I'm not saying tear up contracts or self sabotage our interests in the big picture but we have to stand for something and leverage OUR power. Trump did nothing, he shrugged his shoulders and took the side of an obvious butcher over his own intel and a key party members, both parties for that matter. Over us. He was mute and indifferent and consequently worse will happen.
The media and democrats have made it damn near impossible for trump to deal with Putin. If he talks to him, it’s signs that he owns him, if he doesn’t talk to him, it’s signs he owns him. Putin must revel in this shit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtxnGgJU0AA0qmG.jpg
;D
Ok then....so your problem with Trump's handling of these situations is????Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yeah he tweets and yeah he can attack people verbally, but I think he's run a pretty steady ship thus far. He nipped the North Korea situation in the bud, he's been firm with Russia but people don't want to see or accept that, they want to see him as weak on Russia because they want to tie him to Putin....if Trump played into that little game the Democrats are so eager to start then we'd be in a fucking shooting war with Russia and whose fault would it be? TRUMP's!!!
As for MBS, what would YOU do? Would you arrest him? Would you have him killed? What is the right answer to the problem of the man who runs Saudi Arabia? I mean yeah we COULD do any number of things but there are consequences and repercussions to those and China and/or Russia might could swoop in and leave us out in the cold....that going to help matters?
Judge orders Justice and State departments to reopen part of Hillary Clinton email inquiry
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...206-story.html
At best, Lamberth said the government's actions reflect "negligence born of incompetence," adding, "At worst, career employees in the State and Justice departments colluded to scuttle public scrutiny of Clinton, skirt FOIA, and hoodwink this court."
Hmmmm......at BEST "negligence born of incompetence," vs at WORST "career employees in the State and Justice departments colluded to scuttle public scrutiny of Clinton, skirt FOIA, and hoodwink this court."
Hmmmm....which is more plausible from Hillary Clinton's group :scratchchin: which is more plausible :scratchchin: .....hmmmmm
I mean it's HIGHLY unlikely that the Smartest Woman in the World/Most Qualified person for the position of President EVER would have been or her entourage would have been "incompetent" right?
I suspect the Dems will move for impeachment if enough proof exists trump did direct those payments to the women he had consensual sex with. Hush money out of campaign money is not a major thing, especially when it’s not covering up crimes but if he directed the payments and denied it that is an issue. The Russian business deals that fell through don’t seem like anything. Any international billionaire has financial shit that can be looked at funny. These hush payments seem to be common in US politics so most of the house and senate should be impeached. Shitty thing is there is a lot of financial issues right now, fear of a recession and the market hates uncertainty. The Dems have been hoping for a financial mess, they were talking this shit before trump took office. I see a lot of joy on the left, it’s a shame, this guy didn’t have a chance. Our system is built not to change. Trump came in wanting to do things and found blocks at every turn. Be prepared to see 401ks and portfolios to take a hit. The left has made clear they don’t care how we do as long as they get trump. What a fucked up system we have. Non western world leaders must be looking at this and be saying WTF. Imagine if they tried this shit with Xi, he would lock everyone up. I know the majority here hate trump but the hypocrisy that exists in our system is way too much for me.
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Originally Posted by El KabongOK so the Democrats won OMG the greatest biggest most amazing popular vote EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MAN!!!!! But also failed to win Senate elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So enlighten me Kirk, just who exactly votes on Senators? I mean does popular vote not apply to them? You trying to say maybe it's WHERE the Senate seats WERE that made a difference? That it? Then I guess that whole "OMG popular vote so huge!!!!" deal ain't all it's cracked up to be is it?
Fucking whatever Kirkland, you badger me about betting and then you're all "Are ya sure? Are ya super sure?" ....WHAT DO YOU WANT? Choose an amount. I don't fucking care because Mueller's bullshit investigation is just about wrapped up and it won't prove jack shit and after that he'll be charged for his dealings with Uranium 1.
Yes Lyle, that's exactly it! You've got it! This was the most unfavourable Senate map for either party, according to Nate Silver who got the midterm election exactly right, in history. The projections said that even if the Democrats won an eight percent popular vote margin (the biggest in history in a midterm) they would win forty seats in the House and lose four on the Senate which is close to how it worked out.
I keep asking you what you want to bet on and how much you want to bet. I've already told you I'm willing to bet any amount. You need to tell me how much you want to bet and what you want to bet on. I'll give you a thousand to one odds if you want to bet the Mueller will be charged with any criminal offence. I'll bet any amount you want that he won't. Loser pays the other's charity/ies with verifiable receipts.
By the way the court filings from Friday show the investigation won't be wrapping up anytime soon.
North Carolina did the same thing as Wisconsin previously when a Democrat won the Governor race there. Now the voter fraud thing.Quote:
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Celebrating ownership of America's president.
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Originally Posted by El KabongOK I guess you'll have to school me as to where you individually draw the line on which nation. Saudi Arabia has a new leader, a new leader who just entered into a deal to buy arms from the US (ABOVE BOARD...an absolutely brand new concept for them) and they happen to also have had a reporter murdered. OK, we could say "Hey Saudi Arabia fuck you and we're not doing business with you ever again!" or we could be more nuanced in our approach seeing how there's no lack of business partners waiting to get that Saudi $$$$$ including our direct rivals Russia and China....would you want us to hurt ourselves AND help our enemies AND alienate a new leader in a nation which COULD be steered into the right direction? I think most situations at that level have a lot more moving parts than you or I could deal with...now you can sit here and SAY "I would have done this! And they can just fuck right off!!!" but actually doing it would likely have negative repercussions on you and your White House. Now I'm not saying "Give them a slap on the wrist and let them go" I'm more of the mind to leverage the power they've just given you by getting caught doing stupid shit...but I guess that's just me, i guess I'm alone in that.Quote:
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So you want IMMEDIATE vengeance? Isn't that how the Iraq War part 2 started? I mean there's "gee I wish something would happen like this" and then there's reality...let Putin and Muhammad Bin Salman do their bro hug and whatever...there will be a time and a place when Trump will act. But I guess it's not good enough.
I guess Trump doesn't know what he's doing, he called Kim Jong Un "Little Rocket Man" and it was OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
Trump meets with Kim Jong Un and helps end the Korean War and it's OH MY GOD HOW COULD HE MEET WITH THAT TERRIBLE DICTATOR!!!!
He's damned if he does he's damned if he doesn't at the end of that people were seemingly disappointed the Korean War didn't heat back up and it's the same shit with Putin. What the fuck do you want Trump to do to the man in public? Punch him? Give him a wedgie? If he did people would go back to the OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! stance but now, Trump is standing firm with Putin, he's said he's not happy with how things in Crimea are being handled...but it takes a delicate touch, unless of course we want a shooting war with Russia, you want that? I don't much care for the idea, I wouldn't back down from it, but I don't see it as being in our best interests as a nation to do that.
Saudi weapon buying is a tiny insignificant amount of money for the US. Not only that, the US has the power over Saudi in the arms buying relationship. Should the US withdraw support and mantenance for existing Saudi weapons systems they'd be defenceless in a couple of weeks. It would take them 25 years at current expenditures to replace their weapons systems with those of other countries and they wouldn't be as good. And Saudi can't afford to do it even if they wanted. They're now spending more than they're earning and are currently due to blow through their entire capital reserves in six years. They just can't afford an entire about turn on their arms buying.
Saudi clearly have something on Trump. We may be find out what it is via the Mueller investigation.
Nobody ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist. What Democrats are saying is that the kind of voter fraud that GOP voter ID laws are supposedly there to prevent, in person voter fraud, basically doesn't exist. Forty four cases this century out of over a billion votes. As far as absentee ballot voting fraud and other fraud goes then there are more examples. Picking a state at random I see they're including voter registration fraud which isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Even then they only find less than two thousand examples over a couple of decades which is basically nothing at all. The current North Carolina case might be bigger than all of them put together.Quote:
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Meanwhile voter suppression is in the millions. If you're really concerned about the democratic process then you should be outraged at voter suppression. One example:
https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298
Oh yeah Kirk we need to show ID for beer and cigarettes. Voter ID laws are horribly racist. Some races are too dumb to get a free ID. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If u don’t have ID you shouldn’t vote. Identity theft is enough of an issue here. I don’t want anyone taking my voteQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingNobody ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist. What Democrats are saying is that the kind of voter fraud that GOP voter ID laws are supposedly there to prevent, in person voter fraud, basically doesn't exist. Forty four cases this century out of over a billion votes. As far as absentee ballot voting fraud and other fraud goes then there are more examples. Picking a state at random I see they're including voter registration fraud which isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Even then they only find less than two thousand examples over a couple of decades which is basically nothing at all. The current North Carolina case might be bigger than all of them put together.Quote:
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Meanwhile voter suppression is in the millions. If you're really concerned about the democratic process then you should be outraged at voter suppression. One example:
https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298