KLITSCHKO vs CHAGAEV

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by jon09

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Wladimir Klitchsko - Same thing over and over.

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And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

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All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

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You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

No but I also make a differentiation between somebody pawing with their left as opposed to working an actual jab. :rolleyes:They are not one and the same.

The issue isn't whether I've seen it countered or whether it will be countered.

Unless he has a third arm I fail to see where the criticisms about his reluctance to throw the right come from.

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What the fukk are you talking about? When did I say anything about his reluctance to throw or not throw the right?

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by jon09

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Wladimir Klitchsko - Same thing over and over.

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And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

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All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

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Don't put the cart in front of the horse bro'. You jinxed Hatton enough already;D JK.

So what are the chances Haye/Klit will renegotiate a fight? If not who does Wlad fight now? Chewbacca?

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

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Originally Posted by jon09

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by jon09

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

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All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

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You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

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Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by jon09

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

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All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

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Don't put the cart in front of the horse bro'. You jinxed Hatton enough already;D JK.

So what are the chances Haye/Klit will renegotiate a fight? If not who does Wlad fight now? Chewbacca?

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Well its difficult as Wlad has Povetkin to deal with by September otherwise he'll lose his title. So Haye will HAVE to fight somebody else before Wladimir. Who that is remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

No but I also make a differentiation between somebody pawing with their left as opposed to working an actual jab. :rolleyes:They are not one and the same.

The issue isn't whether I've seen it countered or whether it will be countered.

Unless he has a third arm I fail to see where the criticisms about his reluctance to throw the right come from.

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What the fukk are you talking about? When did I say anything about his reluctance to throw or not throw the right?

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I wasn't talking about you... :vd: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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How Do I Create A New Thread

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I wouldn't worry about it... keep spamming and you won't last long enough for it to matter.

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Off topic but I hope you like my new avatar. Me and a homie in Pop world (I'm on the right in the brown) ;D

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At least it wasn't Flares. ;)

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

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Don't put the cart in front of the horse bro'. You jinxed Hatton enough already;D JK.

So what are the chances Haye/Klit will renegotiate a fight? If not who does Wlad fight now? Chewbacca?

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Well its difficult as Wlad has Povetkin to deal with by September otherwise he'll lose his title. So Haye will HAVE to fight somebody else before Wladimir. Who that is remains to be soon.

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Oh ok; honestly I forgot about Povetkin. To be truthful I just don't follow the heavies and the furball primate Valuev is the only one I always think of;D Or some of these American guys like Arreola and Chambers. I'm wondering how much longer Wlad is going to fight anyways?

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by piye

Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

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You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

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:vd: he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

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Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

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Originally Posted by piye

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Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

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You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

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lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

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So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

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I'm not in the habbit of putting words or anything else for that matter into guy's mouths vd ;)

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

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Yup... I remember when Kimbo Slice got beat the commentators were going wild about it as if Buster Douglas had just Dethroned Tyson all over again... The guy is an aging back yard boxer who'd had like 2 fights or something... what a joke.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

:vd: he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

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Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.[/quotes]

I'm not in the habbit of putting words or anything else for that matter into guy's mouths vd ;)

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God I'm glad you covered that base or VD would have been all over that;D

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

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:vd: :vd: Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by jon09

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All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

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You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

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Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

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They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Right hand thrown with caution? I can't say I agree with that Adam. I think he was cautious at first in throwing the right hand, he through his 1st with 10 seconds to go in the 1st round and then sparingly through the next couple rounds but when he through them there was no caution involved those were straight shots with a lot on them, he missed and fell in with the right hand one time in that fight, it was pretty much perfection. So yeah he didn't throw a single left hook, he didn't need to and he couldn't have made his punches count for much more.

He's finely tuned and confident right now, Haye better have fast feet because Wlad's balance and footwork won him the fight tonight he was spacing his shots perfectly catching Chagaev on the very end of all of those right hands. Used his feet nicely never let Chagaev inside because he was the better athlete in there.

I got a lot more out of it then I thought I would, definitely exceeded meager expectations. At least one fighter looked good.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

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:vd: he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

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Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

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Originally Posted by piye

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

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lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

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So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

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Ok mate don't swear relax! it's not that serious :p , listen you blatently let your hate for any thing British affect your opinion of fights so why am I discussing this with you? you are not really looking at it with any common sense. Wlad is a terrible champ for a sport that is supposed to be primarily entertaining. ANd what I watched to night was not entertainment. Lesner (No I do not watch UFC) is entertaining and that is why he was given a shot and is now champ.

Wlad is not responsible for his opponents being unable to beat him. But it's clear that as regular as Wlad uses that jab someone fast enough (Not many heavyweights) will counter it and make him pay.

Has Wlad ever fought anyone as fast as Haye?