KLITSCHKO vs CHAGAEV

[jon09]

Wladimir Klitchsko - Same thing over and over.

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

[leftylee]

Wladimir Klitchsko - Same thing over and over.

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

[jon09]

Wladimir Klitchsko - Same thing over and over.

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

[leftylee]

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

[Violent Demise]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

[leftylee]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

[LEGION]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

For Haye's sake I'd think it would need to be sooner.

My main problem with Wlad is his propensity to get stuck in the same repetitive patterns, and his lack of killer instinct, and knowing how to finish a fight.

Now as has been stated, it's not his fault his opponents can't beat him; but he doesn't seem to evolve, imo, fight after fight. That jab he has, when used as a jab and not a lion cub pawing, is a beautiful thing and powerful. But fortunately for him no one is talented enough to go over that paw and make him pay.

It's just frustrating to see him do the same things over and over and no one can seem to learn how to deal with it after so long; though why fix something if it ain't broke I guess one could say.

He just comes across, to me, as someone who is scared. I hate saying this, it's so cliche, but he would have gotten buried by the 80's-90's heavies. I'm not saying I want to see him get beat; I like him, but I like to see a little more heart in there. That's why I always liked VItali better.

With that said he still gets the wins.

[Hunter]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

You just dont get it, I dont care how fast Haye is, Wlad is a master at using his height, the ring, and the left jab to stop people in their tracks. Wlad has fought fast fighters and he totally negates the advantage. Wlad has lightening quick reflexes. When Haye shoots in he is going to be met with a STIFF jab and either a hook off the jab or a straight right....Eventually it will be lights out for Haye.....

Haye is lucky he supposedly hurt himself (Wald still hasnt received any medical report), cause Wlad looked so relaxed in there they would have been taking Haye out on a stretcher.....

[AdamGB]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

A true champ doesn't neglect to use his attributes to their fullest and win a safe and clean fight... they dominate and excite.

For somebody who just told me to read between the lines it's funny how you will look at things in black and white when it suits you.

So he can either win clean or win close? the manner in which he does it in means nothing to fans, casual and hardcore a like? Where are the shades of grey.

Like I said there's a reason that his Aura as a champ is none existant compared to a guy like Tyson or Jones.

[Mr140]

Well think people are being harsh on the guy hes no Tyson, Ali or Holyfeild. But he is so effective that people pretty much cant touch him. I think Haye like Hatton will fail when he fights the tops guys because like Mayweather people hate Wald so much they think anyone can beat him. I dont like Wald that much but he wins ever time and we have a champion. Hes not a like a said before a Tyson, Ali or Holyfeild but hes not that bad i mean he clearing the division up not much else you can ask right.

[Violent Demise]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

A true champ doesn't neglect to use his attributes to their fullest and win a safe and clean fight... they dominate and excite.

For somebody who just told me to read between the lines it's funny how you will look at things in black and white when it suits you.

So he can either win clean or win close? the manner in which he does it in means nothing to fans, casual and hardcore a like? Where are the shades of grey.

Like I said there's a reason that his Aura as a champ is none existant compared to a guy like Tyson or Jones.

Because anybody can be Tyson or Jones if they really wanted to right? Jesus christ. LOL. Those guys come around once in a lifetime. Wlad couldn't be them no matter how many risks he takes

[amat]

Right hand thrown with caution? I can't say I agree with that Adam. I think he was cautious at first in throwing the right hand, he through his 1st with 10 seconds to go in the 1st round and then sparingly through the next couple rounds but when he through them there was no caution involved those were straight shots with a lot on them, he missed and fell in with the right hand one time in that fight, it was pretty much perfection. So yeah he didn't throw a single left hook, he didn't need to and he couldn't have made his punches count for much more.

He's finely tuned and confident right now, Haye better have fast feet because Wlad's balance and footwork won him the fight tonight he was spacing his shots perfectly catching Chagaev on the very end of all of those right hands. Used his feet nicely never let Chagaev inside because he was the better athlete in there.

I got a lot more out of it then I thought I would, definitely exceeded meager expectations. At least one fighter looked good.

[LEGION]

Wladimir Klitchsko - Same thing over and over.

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

Don't put the cart in front of the horse bro'. You jinxed Hatton enough already JK.

So what are the chances Haye/Klit will renegotiate a fight? If not who does Wlad fight now? Chewbacca?

[leftylee]

And the heavyweights still continue to fall for it over and over again.

All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

Don't put the cart in front of the horse bro'. You jinxed Hatton enough already JK.

So what are the chances Haye/Klit will renegotiate a fight? If not who does Wlad fight now? Chewbacca?

Well its difficult as Wlad has Povetkin to deal with by September otherwise he'll lose his title. So Haye will HAVE to fight somebody else before Wladimir. Who that is remains to be seen.

[LEGION]

All but one. And that one will come soon enough, David Haye.

Don't put the cart in front of the horse bro'. You jinxed Hatton enough already JK.

So what are the chances Haye/Klit will renegotiate a fight? If not who does Wlad fight now? Chewbacca?

Well its difficult as Wlad has Povetkin to deal with by September otherwise he'll lose his title. So Haye will HAVE to fight somebody else before Wladimir. Who that is remains to be soon.

Oh ok; honestly I forgot about Povetkin. To be truthful I just don't follow the heavies and the furball primate Valuev is the only one I always think of Or some of these American guys like Arreola and Chambers. I'm wondering how much longer Wlad is going to fight anyways?