Marquez-Naz? Why did Marquez blatantly refuse to fight Naz? Fact.

I too have a simple question, why did Hamed blatantly duck the remainder of his career after being spanked like a unruley soiled toddler. Hmmmm???

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I too have a simple question, why did Hamed blatantly duck the remainder of his career after being spanked like a unruley soiled toddler. Hmmmm???

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He had passed his peak, like a flame who shines brightly for a small time.

He had left Ingle, he had got very rich quick and he lost his discipline and fell in love with his power - with no plan B.

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I too have a simple question, why did Hamed blatantly duck the remainder of his career after being spanked like a unruley soiled toddler. Hmmmm???

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He had passed his peak, like a flame who shines brightly for a small time.

He had left Ingle, he had got very rich quick and he lost his discipline and fell in love with his power - with no plan B.

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One trick pony with no versitilty who got fat mentally and physically after defeat. Kinda how I read him too.

I'm still scratching my head wondering who he faced that came remotely close to showing the countering and boxing capability a Marquez had, aside from Barrera of course.

Hamed beat some very good fighters convincingly, Tom Johnson and Vasquez were good victories.

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Seriously though, you like your threads like your boxers - full of words, low on substance and totally deluded. ;)

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I agree, that's why he's a massive Joe Calzaghe fan.

Christ, I can't believe this obvious wind-up thread has gone 80+ posts...

Very good, Fenster, very good - hats off. Cheap though, Adam is easy bait.

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Obvious wind up thread? Bait? Jesus... You don't say. It's not like several posters had said this BEFORE I EVEN STARTED POSTING. :rolleyes: :vd:

I might have noticed.

Honestly, I'm just enjoying explaining to Fenster why Hamedis garbage, if thinking I'm wound up or that I didn't know Fenster was fishing help you get over the rod calzaghe shoved up your arse then good for you.

Even talking about him in a thread about how bollocks hamed was? Pathetic, you are truely infatuated with him.

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See, told ya..easier than a 2 dollar whore ;D

If you decide to believe I'm wound up then I doubt I'll manage to stop you. So yeah, just enjoy it. :)

I've found the whole thing (and you) amusing.

To be honest I'm just happy you managed to post without crying over Joe Calzaghe this time. Well done, big first step.

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Hamed beat some very good fighters convincingly, Tom Johnson and Vasquez were good victories.

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Im with you on them as good names but honestly as far as top quality fighters both had recent blemish. Johnson was straight up shop worn and getting hurt and dropped by Beleno and Badillo. I just never bought Vasquez as a feather. His Rojas title win was a helluva ko but he had an obligation to give Rios who boxed his ears clean off in a robbery a rematch instead of ditching strap but yeh money talks.

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If you decide to believe I'm wound up then I doubt I'll manage to stop you. So yeah, just enjoy it. :)

I've found the whole thing (and you) amusing.

To be honest I'm just happy you managed to post without crying over Joe Calzaghe this time. Well done, big first step.

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Actually, I cry about him every post now technically as he's a part of my sig ;) hold your applause

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Hamed beat some very good fighters convincingly, Tom Johnson and Vasquez were good victories.

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Hamed never beat a good fighter who was still in the prime of his career. Every good name he beat came in with considerable mileage.

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Hamed beat some very good fighters convincingly, Tom Johnson and Vasquez were good victories.

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Im with you on them as good names but honestly as far as top quality fighters both had recent blemish. Johnson was straight up shop worn and getting hurt and dropped by Beleno and Badillo. I just never bought Vasquez as a feather. His Rojas title win was a helluva ko but he had an obligation to give Rios who boxed his ears clean off in a robbery a rematch instead of ditching strap but yeh money talks.

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Naz can only beat the fighters in front of him and Tom Johnson was like Holfield, no matter if they put him down he got up and beat them. Naz decisively stopped Johnson, Vasquez (who and recently beat Orando Canizales).

Naz beat the fighters convincingly even if they had mileage on them which to me means he would have beaten them anyway at that time. Hat was his peak, he stopped Medina who was rarely stopped.

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Hamed beat some very good fighters convincingly, Tom Johnson and Vasquez were good victories.

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I'm with you on them as good names but honestly as far as top quality fighters both had recent blemish. Johnson was straight up shop worn and getting hurt and dropped by Beleno and Badillo. I just never bought Vasquez as a feather. His Rojas title win was a helluva ko but he had an obligation to give Rios who boxed his ears clean off in a robbery a rematch instead of ditching strap but yeh money talks.

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Naz can only beat the fighters in front of him and Tom Johnson was like Holfield, no matter if they put him down he got up and beat them. Naz decisively stopped Johnson, Vasquez (who and recently beat Orando Canizales).

Naz beat the fighters convincingly even if they had mileage on them which to me means he would have beaten them anyway at that time. Hat was his peak, he stopped Medina who was rarely stopped.

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:-X No. Thats a stretch my porno Yoda homie ;D. Holyfield was beating hof'rs and 'known' solid names...Johnson was beating Troy Dorsey and the same Medina, respectfully. Vasquez beat (?) Canizales 3 plus yrs earlier in a lighter weight class...right after a 10 fight pro Sergio Reyes had arguably done the same in a crappy hometown decision. Vasquez doesn't get his props all around imo, he was an awesome fighter but I thought Orlando even beat him by a couple.

Not saying Hamed doesn't get the due for knocking around guys that were passed the expiration date but cant forget perspective. Shit looking at it, considering where each was at time and aftermath you might say he deserves more props for ko'ing a Medina and went on to have some solid 'wins' ???

That is what I was implying stopping Medina, who went on to be champion a couple of times later shows what a good performance that was. OK may have exaggerated Ton Johnson ability, but the man just refused to be beaten. That Naz would have done better against Barrera and he would not have been afraid to take on JMM.

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That is what I was implying stopping Medina, who went on to be champion a couple of times later shows what a good performance that was. OK may have exaggerated Ton Johnson ability, but the man just refused to be beaten. That Naz would have done better against Barrera and he would not have been afraid to take on JMM.

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That's a fact.

If you offer a fighter a career high payday and home advantage and no rematch clause and they can choose the gloves and pick the referee yet they point blank REFUSE to fight what can you do?

With hindsight, Marquez knowing he goes on to be an all-time great, there's no doubt whatsoever he would have took a stunning one round KO loss to Naz just for the money. Fact.

Taking a loss? The price of glory eh?... ;D

Nothing wrong with a loss.

In pro boxing, let's face it, the name of the game is how much you make - not how many honours won. - Reg Gutteridge