Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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hitmandonny
[He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
Duddy is there for the taking if a half decent puncher with a decent chin ever steps in with him.
If you could box john duddys heart and guts you would make a small fortune.
Though i suspect your pavliks, mirandas or abrahams of this world would see duddy as an open target.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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hattonthehammer
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hitmandonny
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
Duddy is there for the taking if a half decent puncher with a decent chin ever steps in with him.
If you could box john duddys heart and guts you would make a small fortune.
Though i suspect your pavliks, mirandas or abrahams of this world would see duddy as an open target.
All the names you mentioned would beat Duddy.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
Duddy wont do much better than Lockett did.
He'll just take more of a sick beating.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Fenster
Duddy wont do much better than Lockett did.
He'll just take more of a sick beating.
agreed;)
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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hattonthehammer
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hitmandonny
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
Duddy is there for the taking if a half decent puncher with a decent chin ever steps in with him.
If you could box john duddys heart and guts you would make a small fortune.
Though i suspect your pavliks, mirandas or abrahams of this world would see duddy as an open target.
I think you could add quite a few names to the list also:-\
All the names you mentioned would beat Duddy.
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Fenster
Duddy wont do much better than Lockett did.
He'll just take more of a sick beating.
Well pointed out. Duddy will attempt to stand up to it and have himself disfigured as a result.
Refe has mercy on Duddy around 5 or 6 I'll say.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
It's always easy to be swayed by the figter we just recently seen and forget the big picture but i still see pavlik as too young and strong right now. Joe would have to seriously hurt pavlik to keep him from coming forward and i don't see that happening. I think a couple of good shots from pavlik and calzaghe will probably try to stay away most of the fight.
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Thats all it took for Calzaghe fans to be convinced. He only has a couple of great wins. One of them or two was controversial with Hopkins and Robin Ried.
THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT BEFORE I DID!! Pavlik's supposed 2-3 decent wins are arguably better than Calzaghe's 2-3 decent wins...
This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA
UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF
UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe. Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
Although a flawed way of thinking, Calzaghe's best win was against BHop... Kelly's were against JT, who he KO'd once and outboxed second... Oh and JT Beat Joe C's best op. twice... Although flawed it is true...
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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southakron314
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Fenster
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caleoh12
THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT BEFORE I DID!! Pavlik's supposed 2-3 decent wins are arguably better than Calzaghe's 2-3 decent wins...
This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA
UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF
UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe.
Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
care to explain how you scored the contest to hopkins when calzaghe clearly won in every sane persons opinion???
And you keep mentioning the robin reid fight
reid fought the fight of his life that night and was always a very underrated boxer. he took joe out of his gameplan and dictated the pace of the fight for the majority of the rounds yet still JC was able to land big. The very best of fighters come a cropper every so often.
Manny pac has a few losses to nobodys on his CV, Mayweather almost came on the wrong end of a loss to victoriano sosa as did hatton when he fought thaxton.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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southakron314
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Fenster
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caleoh12
THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT BEFORE I DID!! Pavlik's supposed 2-3 decent wins are arguably better than Calzaghe's 2-3 decent wins...
This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA
UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF
UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe. Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
You clearly have never heard of Chris Eubank.
Only a top class fighter could possibily register wins over half those names. It would take an EXCEPTIONAL talent to have beaten all of them.
Without Pavlik having faced any, it's impossible to say. But wins against Hopkins, Eubank and Kessler - Pavlik would be odds against (KO is a ridiculous notion for Eubank.. and Hopkins). Lacy, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall and Sheika - Pavlik would have a strong chance, but it's highly UNLIKELY he would face all without suffering defeat. Fact.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Although a flawed way of thinking, Calzaghe's best win was against BHop... Kelly's were against JT, who he KO'd once and outboxed second... Oh and JT Beat Joe C's best op. twice... Although flawed it is true...
Yes, extremely flawed reasoning, my friend.
For the argument to hold any weight Calzaghe would have needed to have lost. But as we know.. He won.
All you're left with is - Taylor beat Hopkins. Cazlaghe beat Hopkins. Pavlik beat Taylor. In this scenario, there is no formline that elevates Pavlik above Calzaghe ;)
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The calzaghe/reid fight was one of the worst fights i've seen in my life. Punch 2 times then hold, repeat for the rest of the fight. Terrible fight. How you guys thought Reid beat Calzaghe is mind boggling.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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hattonthehammer
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southakron314
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This is ridiculous. You guys can't honestly believe their records are comparable?
Pavlik's THREE best wins are Taylor - middleweight champ. Miranda - failed "world" title challenger and ?? ... There isn't even a 3rd
Calzaghe's best wins... (in no particular order)
1. Hopkins - Middleweight "great," Lightheavy champ
2. Eubank - Top 5 best ever supermiddle
3. Kessler - WBC/WBA UNBEATEN champ
4. Lacy - IBF UNBEATEN champ
5. Reid - WBC champ
6. Brewer - IBF champ
7. Mitchell - WBA champ
8. Woodhall - WBC champ
Calzaghe's win over Omar Sheika is on a par with Pavlik's 2nd best ever win.
Come on boys, get real ;)
Every one you mentioned Pavlik would most likely knockout. Not hanging on to shady split dicisions by the skin of his scrotum like Joe.
Sorry but I still think he lost to Hopkins. The Reid and Hopkins should have been loses draws if not loses. Hopkins was a loss.
care to explain how you scored the contest to hopkins when calzaghe clearly won in every sane persons opinion???
And you keep mentioning the robin reid fight
reid fought the fight of his life that night and was always a very underrated boxer. he took joe out of his gameplan and dictated the pace of the fight for the majority of the rounds yet still JC was able to land big. The very best of fighters come a cropper every so often.
Manny pac has a few losses to nobodys on his CV, Mayweather almost came on the wrong end of a loss to victoriano sosa as did hatton when he fought thaxton.
Yes I do care to. I would score in the favor of Hopkins because he knocked Joe on his ass. He hurt him several times as well. Hopkins looked like he just got done with a brisk jog after the fight. Look at Taylors face , Lockets after 2.5 rounds, Miranda was unreconnizable. I would not score punches (slaps) to the arms and shoulders. I would have deducted a piont of the second low blow. Hopkins was never hurt or even introuble in the fight. Pavlik is longer , faster , throws harder and quicker punches. He throws the same amount as Clazaghe. Thus Pavlik throws twice as many because half of his shit is pitter slaps. I dont even know how someone can like him or be a fan. He is a slapper and he tried to be a canal pal to Hopkins when he got hit in the nutts.
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The calzaghe/reid fight was one of the worst fights i've seen in my life. Punch 2 times then hold, repeat for the rest of the fight. Terrible fight. How you guys thought Reid beat Calzaghe is mind boggling.
I do recall it close enough for a split. If it was such a one sidded affiar it would have been all three cards.
