Valuev Won That Fight!

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

Although i felt the giant edged it. I have no problem with the punches haye did throw. They were very accurate and hard. The problem i have is when he only landed maybe 8 punches a round and people want to give him rounds. Valuev landed more than haye, but what comes around goes around, valuev has won fights he didn't deserve too.

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Are you sure?

Valuev landed more punches on thin air than Haye, that I did see

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

Although i felt the giant edged it. I have no problem with the punches haye did throw. They were very accurate and hard. The problem i have is when he only landed maybe 8 punches a round and people want to give him rounds. Valuev landed more than haye, but what comes around goes around, valuev has won fights he didn't deserve too.

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Wait... wait... Valuev landed punches?
What, were you streaming the fight through your Atari 2600 or something?

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Great thread by Amat, although I have to say when I first read it I missed the point & was planning to call him a hypocrite until my headache from catching too many left hands in sparring subsided.

Anyway, I can't see how anyone could justify last night's win for Haye & not Dirrell's against Froch or vice-versa. While Dirrell pissed about complaining, he had a far better punch output. The size of Valuev is no excuse, that's the issue with the HW division, any man above is in your weightclass. I thought Haye took it 116-113, was an awful fight but glad to see my boxing club get our first HW Champ ;D

Haye fought a very good tactical fight & in that 12th showed he has serious power, but must glad he was in Nuremburg & not Nottingham ;)

End of the day, Haye won, but he had no worries on the cards because Sauerland & Don King know who is worth more money to them in the future (Sauerland have some options on Haye for definite). I thought it was pretty fairly judged. Hopefully Haye now gets rid of the quietman & sets up a clash with a Klit (no pun intended). :)

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I scored the fight for Haye but not for Dirrell. Tough one and I've seen the comparisons on many sites.

The main differences seem to be that Haye didn't spend his time diving on the floor, holding on for dear life, getting a point deducted and complaining to the referee. Froch closed the gap (sometimes) where as Valuev couldn't.

Was Haye running? He moved when he needed too but that is not running. His eyes were constantly focused on the prize and his upper body movement was key to evading shots - he also was setting his feet to throw shots - Dirrell was just running.

As for your hint that the fight was fixed. Well the press conferences in London didn't have Team Sauerland there or Don King but Goldenboy Promotions. While Sauerland will have some say in his next fight it is Goldenboy who are in control - not King.

And King has never given away control of a Heavyweight belt. He maybe getting old but he is not about to change the habits of a lifetime.

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None of those have any effect on how you score a fight. Dirrell threw far more & did a lot less running than Haye. Froch didn't close the gap any better, but he did land more shots on thin air & to the back of Dirrell's head in a clinch if we're now scoring fights on what they almost did.

Oh & Sauerland do now have options on David Haye's next fights. I wouldn't be surprised if King does as well, he seemed happy enough at the end for Haye to get the decision in what appeared a close fight.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Great thread by Amat, although I have to say when I first read it I missed the point & was planning to call him a hypocrite until my headache from catching too many left hands in sparring subsided.

Anyway, I can't see how anyone could justify last night's win for Haye & not Dirrell's against Froch or vice-versa. While Dirrell pissed about complaining, he had a far better punch output. The size of Valuev is no excuse, that's the issue with the HW division, any man above is in your weightclass. I thought Haye took it 116-113, was an awful fight but glad to see my boxing club get our first HW Champ ;D

Haye fought a very good tactical fight & in that 12th showed he has serious power, but must glad he was in Nuremburg & not Nottingham ;)

End of the day, Haye won, but he had no worries on the cards because Sauerland & Don King know who is worth more money to them in the future (Sauerland have some options on Haye for definite). I thought it was pretty fairly judged. Hopefully Haye now gets rid of the quietman & sets up a clash with a Klit (no pun intended). :)

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I scored the fight for Haye but not for Dirrell. Tough one and I've seen the comparisons on many sites.

The main differences seem to be that Haye didn't spend his time diving on the floor, holding on for dear life, getting a point deducted and complaining to the referee. Froch closed the gap (sometimes) where as Valuev couldn't.

Was Haye running? He moved when he needed too but that is not running. His eyes were constantly focused on the prize and his upper body movement was key to evading shots - he also was setting his feet to throw shots - Dirrell was just running.

As for your hint that the fight was fixed. Well the press conferences in London didn't have Team Sauerland there or Don King but Goldenboy Promotions. While Sauerland will have some say in his next fight it is Goldenboy who are in control - not King.

And King has never given away control of a Heavyweight belt. He maybe getting old but he is not about to change the habits of a lifetime.

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None of those have any effect on how you score a fight. Dirrell threw far more & did a lot less running than Haye. Froch didn't close the gap any better, but he did land more shots on thin air & to the back of Dirrell's head in a clinch if we're now scoring fights on what they almost did.

Oh & Sauerland do now have options on David Haye's next fights. I wouldn't be surprised if King does as well, he seemed happy enough at the end for Haye to get the decision in what appeared a close fight.

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Yes whats he deal with that Jaz?? We have Hayemaker,Goldenboy,Sauerland and Don King all taking some of the pie.

Im certain I heard Haye say prior to the fight that he took this fight rather than Vitali because there was no options just one fight. Do you think Sauerland has just got some rites on Haye when it comes to the German TV?? You seem to no more mate but I cant see Goldenboy agreeing to them having some of his rites.

I did not see the fight. Still, I have a feeling I would think Valuev won. I'm one of the few who think he beat Chagaev, so if the fight Saturday went anything like that then...

Despite that, I do think valuev is a hindrance to the sport and not beating him is meaningless.

It's like a wheelchair-bound man trying to arm tackle Barry Sanders. It's not going to happen.

i goto aggree with the original poster........hayes been saying for over a year how the klit brothers are borring and that the division needs him he's goner set it alight hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

Although i felt the giant edged it. I have no problem with the punches haye did throw. They were very accurate and hard. The problem i have is when he only landed maybe 8 punches a round and people want to give him rounds. Valuev landed more than haye, but what comes around goes around, valuev has won fights he didn't deserve too.

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Nikolai Valuev did not land more punches, he was missing most of his punches and the only punch he was really throwing was the jab. David Haye wasn't no windmill himself, but he did what he had to do.

And he landed the more eye catching punches, aswell as more punches overall. And as you just said even if you thought Nikolai Valuev won, you can't really argue with the decision, considering the gifts Nikolai Valuev has got.

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

He did what he needed to do to win.... That is the number one aim of being in boxing

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I thought the number one aim of boxing was to 'hit and not be hit'. Seems to me Haye's mantra that night was 'not be hit' without caring too much about the 'hit' part of it.

I've never seen so much praise heaped on a fighter that refused (for 95% of the fight) to engage..