Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
350k is a truly spectacular number. De La Hoya only sold 200k his first ppv.
So,Mayweather /Baldomir did spectactular numbers??
Hmmm
That's the first time I heard that..
350,000 are shit numbers for a fighter with a built in fanbase.
Still waiting on those Lara fight numbers...
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Ron Swanson
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Swice
And there it is. Geale is a quality middleweight and Golovkin beat him without ever getting out of first gear.
Exactly why this "cleaning out middleweight" idea should be junked. MW is a morgue, GGG should move up to fight better fighters.
Ugh and he says he wants 160. Time wasted.
Cotto is the only big name left at middleweight with a decent resume and I don't see him making it twelve rounds either. Maybe before the wars and I stress maybe, but not now. Quillin is there as well, but he hasn't even been in the ring with someone the level of Geale, let alone GGG. Just the fact that Quillin is ranked so high with his level of opposition says more about the mw division than any words can.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Gandalf
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Memphis
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Gandalf
Too early. He only had to get through a few seconds. Sure, Golovkin was winning and hurting him, but at the top you give a chance. I don't like these kinds of stoppages.
This is a guy who had never been stopped in a world level career. Ergo a tough fucking guy. He had eight seconds to recover and still felt like he couldn't continue. To me that says more about the power he got clobbered with than anything else.
He did give him a chance Miles, he gave him a chance to say no thanks mate.
It's just my thing, I am never into these count outs when the fighter is up. If he was down and then only up at 8 and falling all over the place, but Geale wasn't at the completely drunk stage to me. Shaken sure, hurt sure, but a few seconds to go and a minute to take a break and then maybe call it quits if his team thinks he is done.
This is a guy who had never been stopped in a world level career. Ergo a tough fucking guy. He had eight seconds to recover and still felt like he couldn't continue. To me that says more about the power he got clobbered with than anything else.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
350k is a truly spectacular number. De La Hoya only sold 200k his first ppv.
So,Mayweather /Baldomir did spectactular numbers??
Hmmm
That's the first time I heard that..
350,000 are shit numbers for a fighter with a built in fanbase.
Still waiting on those Lara fight numbers...
Name one other non heavyweight guy who broke more than 200k the first time he headlined a PPV. You can't. And Alvarez did 350k.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Too early. He only had to get through a few seconds. Sure, Golovkin was winning and hurting him, but at the top you give a chance. I don't like these kinds of stoppages.
He did give him a chance Miles, he gave him a chance to say no thanks mate.
It's just my thing, I am never into these count outs when the fighter is up. If he was down and then only up at 8 and falling all over the place, but Geale wasn't at the completely drunk stage to me. Shaken sure, hurt sure, but a few seconds to go and a minute to take a break and then maybe call it quits if his team thinks he is done.
Dude, what are you on about? Geale shook his head no, the ref didn't stop the fight Geale stopped the fight.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
350k is a truly spectacular number. De La Hoya only sold 200k his first ppv.
I'm in no way agreeing with Cyclone. But you can't compare PPV numbers from then to now. PPV availability has jumped astronomically.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
:vd: Marquez has been cashing 7 figure checks for the last 7 years.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
350k is a truly spectacular number. De La Hoya only sold 200k his first ppv.
So,Mayweather /Baldomir did spectactular numbers??
Hmmm
That's the first time I heard that..
350,000 are shit numbers for a fighter with a built in fanbase.
Still waiting on those Lara fight numbers...
Name one other non heavyweight guy who broke more than 200k the first time he headlined a PPV. You can't. And Alvarez did 350k.
Those are shit numbers for mexico's biggest star...considering they have the style people want to see.
I see those Floyd/Baldomir numbers in a new light.
That was his first PPV and he did better than Oscar's first PPV...without a mexican opponent.
The Lara fight must have bombed because those numbers are kinda' slow getting out.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
350k is a truly spectacular number. De La Hoya only sold 200k his first ppv.
I'm in no way agreeing with Cyclone. But you can't compare PPV numbers from then to now. PPV availability has jumped astronomically.
It's maybe doubled in household numbers since DLHstarted PPVing. But the context of the discussion is just pure numbers. 350k as a debut, especially on Showtime which has 60% of the households that HBO has is a serious number.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
:vd: Marquez has been cashing 7 figure checks for the last 7 years.
At the ass end of his career.
Hell....
Broner cashing 7 figure checks and he's not mexican...or 40 years old..So is Andre Ward.
Mexicans aren't the only fighters people want to see by longshot.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Swice
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Swice
And there it is. Geale is a quality middleweight and Golovkin beat him without ever getting out of first gear.
Exactly why this "cleaning out middleweight" idea should be junked. MW is a morgue, GGG should move up to fight better fighters.
Ugh and he says he wants 160. Time wasted.
Cotto is the only big name left at middleweight with a decent resume and I don't see him making it twelve rounds either. Maybe before the wars and I stress maybe, but not now. Quillin is there as well, but he hasn't even been in the ring with someone the level of Geale, let alone GGG. Just the fact that Quillin is ranked so high with his level of opposition says more about the mw division than any words can.
If Cotto was GGGs size it would be interesting. I'd pick GGG anyway. But Cotto started at 140, he's too small. Quillen is being hidden for a reason. The good fights are at 168. The most money is probably a Cotto fight, Canelo fight or Chavez Jr. I can understand him taking those fights, it's business. But short of getting a payday fight it's time to fight his quality of fighter. He's proven he wrecks guys that are beneath him, it's time to see who all is beneath him. Is Froch beneath him? Ward?
I think he stops Froch. A GGG/Ward fight is probably the fight I most want to see.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Swice
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Swice
And there it is. Geale is a quality middleweight and Golovkin beat him without ever getting out of first gear.
Exactly why this "cleaning out middleweight" idea should be junked. MW is a morgue, GGG should move up to fight better fighters.
Ugh and he says he wants 160. Time wasted.
Cotto is the only big name left at middleweight with a decent resume and I don't see him making it twelve rounds either. Maybe before the wars and I stress maybe, but not now. Quillin is there as well, but he hasn't even been in the ring with someone the level of Geale, let alone GGG. Just the fact that Quillin is ranked so high with his level of opposition says more about the mw division than any words can.
If Cotto was GGGs size it would be interesting. I'd pick GGG anyway. But Cotto started at 140, he's too small. Quillen is being hidden for a reason. The good fights are at 168. The most money is probably a Cotto fight, Canelo fight or Chavez Jr. I can understand him taking those fights, it's business. But short of getting a payday fight it's time to fight his quality of fighter. He's proven he wrecks guys that are beneath him, it's time to see who all is beneath him. Is Froch beneath him? Ward?
I think he stops Froch. A GGG/Ward fight is probably the fight I most want to see.
He's 32 and he's thinking about available paydays for what's left of his career. Cotto would be a huge PPV event. So would Alvarez. Both of those fights are infinitely easier and bigger paydays than Ward or Froch. Although definitely Ward and Froch are mouthwatering fights for us to see.
I'd like to see Floyd fight Golovkin more than anything else. Rather than Floyd fighting endless second rate Haymon clients I'd love to see those two fight each other.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Golovkin knows the Mexican style is what is people want to see.
What people?
If ya'll got the style people want tosee, it would be reflected in the marketplace.
A mexican isn't the biggest draw in boxing.
I don't see JMM cashing any huge checks.
The biggest name in mexican boxing today ....Canelo...sold only $350,000 ppv buys against another Mexican.
Those are Mayweather /Baldomir numbers.
Still waiting on the numbers from the Lara fight.
:vd: Marquez has been cashing 7 figure checks for the last 7 years.
At the ass end of his career.
Hell....
Broner cashing 7 figure checks and he's not mexican...or 40 years old..So is Andre Ward.
Mexicans aren't the only fighters people want to see by longshot.
Have Broner headline a PPV and see what numbers he does. Better yet have Ward headline one. Bernard Hopkins is doing big things for a 50 year old. But they won't dare put him on PPV unless he's the B side player. Mayweather himself knows his numbers shit ain't without Mexicans. It's the reason why he always fight on Cinco de Mayo. And it's the reason why Devon Alexander, Shawn Porter or Keith Thurman are never seriously considered as opponents. Mayweather knows he fights another black fighter and his PPV don't crack 300,000. Mosley is as white washed as they come. So he was the exception.
Re: Golovkin-Geale fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Too early. He only had to get through a few seconds. Sure, Golovkin was winning and hurting him, but at the top you give a chance. I don't like these kinds of stoppages.
He did give him a chance Miles, he gave him a chance to say no thanks mate.
It's just my thing, I am never into these count outs when the fighter is up. If he was down and then only up at 8 and falling all over the place, but Geale wasn't at the completely drunk stage to me. Shaken sure, hurt sure, but a few seconds to go and a minute to take a break and then maybe call it quits if his team thinks he is done.
Dude, what are you on about? Geale shook his head no, the ref didn't stop the fight Geale stopped the fight.
He didn't want to continue? Then fair enough, that's his call to make and I respect that.
