FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

you're not gunna start crying are you? :( :( :(

seriously, you are such a fucking fan boy. I've never known someone as bias towards english fighters as you.

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LOL. I never been much of a Taylor fan. I just thought he'll beat Fraud. And if he had any stamina he would of.

I don't know if your stream (LOL) was fukked up or not. But you can't seriously tell me Fraud is actually good and believe it. Tell me your not just a lame UK groupie who can't see reality. Are you?

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Do you think Librado Andrade is shit as well then because this was a better version of his fight with Bute.

How about James Toney when he fought Michael Nunn or Chavez against Meldrick Taylor?

It was a great win for Froch, he showed an iron resolve and the self belief of a true champ who thinks he can't be beat.

Yes he uses his face as his main form of defense but that's part of his appeal.

A KO of Jermain Taylor on his resume doesn't look bad, Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright wern't able to do it.

Everyone praised Pavlik when he came back from being almost out in the third to Taylor to knock him out.

Why shouldn't Carl get the same credit?

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He gets credit for getting up and taking it to Taylor to force the stoppage. But he was pretty much everything I expected. Which wasn't much. If Taylor had any stamina or had an idea how to clinch this would of been a lopsided loss for Fraud. He would of been laughed at and bad mouthed by everybody. Including the UK.

I will be honest with you all. I have not seen the fight, my internet broke after the 2nd round so I had to go to my other mates house to catch the result. Sounds exactly as I thought it would go, I knew Taylor would tire down the straight and Carls power would be too much for him. How close was the fight?

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

I will be honest with you all. I have not seen the fight, my internet broke after the 2nd round so I had to go to my other mates house to catch the result. Sounds exactly as I thought it would go, I knew Taylor would tire down the straight and Carls power would be too much for him. How close was the fight?

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Taylor was winning by 4 rounds on 2 cards going into the 12th. Froch needed the stoppage to win.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

I will be honest with you all. I have not seen the fight, my internet broke after the 2nd round so I had to go to my other mates house to catch the result. Sounds exactly as I thought it would go, I knew Taylor would tire down the straight and Carls power would be too much for him. How close was the fight?

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Taylor was winning by 4 rounds on 2 cards going into the 12th. Froch needed the stoppage to win.

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so glad he did it though, i will watch the fight on itv tommorow night. I knew this fight would end late in favour of Carl though

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

I will be honest with you all. I have not seen the fight, my internet broke after the 2nd round so I had to go to my other mates house to catch the result. Sounds exactly as I thought it would go, I knew Taylor would tire down the straight and Carls power would be too much for him. How close was the fight?

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Taylor was winning by 4 rounds on 2 cards going into the 12th. Froch needed the stoppage to win.

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so glad he did it though, i will watch the fight on itv tommorow night. I knew this fight would end late in favour of Carl though

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It was pretty damn late. He stopped him with 15 seconds left. All Taylor had to do was finish the fight and the belt was his.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

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Taylor was winning by 4 rounds on 2 cards going into the 12th. Froch needed the stoppage to win.

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so glad he did it though, i will watch the fight on itv tommorow night. I knew this fight would end late in favour of Carl though

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It was pretty damn late. He stopped him with 15 seconds left. All Taylor had to do was finish the fight and the belt was his.

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Froch always had it under control, he was just creating a cliffhanger to entertain the crowd and make sure they remembered him :cool::rolleyes:

Froch Your The Man And You Have Proved A Lot Of People Wrong, Get In So Happy, Buzzing!

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah the trouble with Froch is he's a bit like a more skilled Andrade. He's more talented than Andrade and has the same granite chin

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Granite chin?

I thought I saw a done middle weight drop him hard, im sure of it?

Froch will now have sphincter spasms everytime he hears Kesslers name;)

Oh and still Froch is to face a top super middle;D

I give Froch much respeect....and Taylor for really bringing the fight. But it was hisconditioning that got to him once again I think. Good job to both fighters

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Froch Your The Man And You Have Proved A Lot Of People Wrong, Get In So Happy, Buzzing!

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Sorry Tam, he confirmed what I knew.

Hes to big for Taylor and would be made to look a fool on the way to Taylor gassing, oh and his chin isnt great either;D

At 31 I ddont see him getting any quicker and Kessler would rip him apart, Mikkel wouldnt have stood off when Carl had that stupid look on his face while he was sat on his ass on the canvas;D The fight would have ended that round;)

rematch?

Hell of a fight. This IMO is up there for Fight of the Year challenging Marquez-Diaz.

I think there should be a rematch between them.

It must be gutting for Taylor knowing all he had to do was stay on his feet for 15 more seconds and he was the champ. Hopefully it doesn't have a bad mental effect on him.

But I'd like to see a rematch of this one. If Holt and Torres had a rematch there's no reason Taylor and Froch shouldn't imo.

Of course I doubt that it will happen. Would be nice if it did. But what will probably happen is Froch will fight lower tier people then Taylor and Taylor will be fighting on ESPN somewhere until Froch fights Kessler and loses.

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah the trouble with Froch is he's a bit like a more skilled Andrade. He's more talented than Andrade and has the same granite chin

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Granite chin?

I thought I saw a done middle weight drop him hard, im sure of it?

Froch will now have sphincter spasms everytime he hears Kesslers name;)

Oh and still Froch is to face a top super middle;D

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Ross you are a fucking moron. Froch took some tremendous shots in that round and got straight back up to win the fight.

How many fighters in history go through their entire careers without getting dropped especially by a great shot.

The three fighters considered to have the best chins in the sport, Margarito, Andrade and James Toney have all been dropped and in Margarito's case knocked out.

He went down, but kept his composure and came back to win the fight, he's got one hell of a chin.

And Taylor can hit, just ask Kelly Pavlik.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I see you online Smash. Why you so quiet?

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I was watching it fella glued to it infact.

Froch looked slow and lazy to me but i knew he had it in him to fuck JT up.

Hand on heart i think Froch could lose to a Kessler or B-Hop.

Great fight and Froch is laughing all the way to the bank now:cool:

2 top notch fights on the spin now and he showed a huge pair to get up and go on to do that in the 12th.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

I think there should be a rematch between them.

It must be gutting for Taylor knowing all he had to do was stay on his feet for 15 more seconds and he was the champ. Hopefully it doesn't have a bad mental effect on him.

But I'd like to see a rematch of this one. If Holt and Torres had a rematch there's no reason Taylor and Froch shouldn't imo.

Of course I doubt that it will happen. Would be nice if it did. But what will probably happen is Froch will fight lower tier people then Taylor and Taylor will be fighting on ESPN somewhere until Froch fights Kessler and loses.

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I'd be surprised is Froch fights too many lower tiered opponents from now on. He's been waitin for any opportunity to show up, he got it, not many gave him a chance, and he took it. He has always said he doesn't want to hang around fightin people nobody has heard of. I guess he would look the total fool if he were to start fightin lower tier after sayin that. As much as i admire him as a boxer, he is a knockout waitin to happen i think. Kessler will punch harder than taylor, but won't be as quick.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Ross you are a fucking moron. Froch took some tremendous shots in that round and got straight back up to win the fight.

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Grow up

Froch was dropped hard by a middle weight who was only 166, even Carl said himself after seeing that weight that Jermain isnt a real supermiddle.

Wait till Kessler or Andrade is catching that chin

Truth of the matter is, Taylor is the first real known quantity we can guage Carl off, Jermains last few performances havent been great, hes been kod by Pavlik and dropped by Lacy, hes moved up to avoid Pavlik and if it wasnt for his stamina would have whitewashed Carl and if Taylor wasnt gunshy he would have finished off Carl in that Third round seeing as there was a good half a minute left.

Wait till he fights a top supermiddle because as yet he hasnt.

I agree with Ross a bit here, i dont think Froch has got anywhere near a granite chin and another fighter would of ended him early if they had him in that trouble in the third, but Bilbo called it right, but Froch looked alot bigger than Taylor Kessler wouldsmash Froch imo.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I agree with Ross a bit here, i dont think Froch has got anywhere near a granite chin and another fighter would of ended him early if they had him in that trouble in the third, but Bilbo called it right, but Froch looked alot bigger than Taylor Kessler wouldsmash Froch imo.

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Who cares what Kessler would do? Kessler won't be fighting anyone of note for another year because of his legal troubles.

The question is does Froch have it in him to beat Bute? He is the lone major player at super middleweight.

Froch called out Pavlik and Calzahge, but Pavlik is busy for the rest of the year and Calzaghe is retired.

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I agree with Ross a bit here, i dont think Froch has got anywhere near a granite chin and another fighter would of ended him early if they had him in that trouble in the third, but Bilbo called it right, but Froch looked alot bigger than Taylor Kessler wouldsmash Froch imo.

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Who cares what Kessler would do? Kessler won't be fighting anyone of note for another year because of his legal troubles.

The question is does Froch have it in him to beat Bute? He is the lone major player at super middleweight.

Froch called out Pavlik and Calzahge, but Pavlik is busy for the rest of the year and Calzaghe is retired.

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Well Kessler is number one in the division so sort of makes sense :rolleyes:


I think you will find alot of people care and it has been brought up many times, since Frochs victory.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Shut the fukk up Taylor. You don't deserve a fukking rematch.

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you're not gunna start crying are you? :( :( :(

seriously, you are such a fucking fan boy. I've never known someone as bias towards english fighters as you.

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LOL. I never been much of a Taylor fan. I just thought he'll beat Fraud. And if he had any stamina he would of.

I don't know if your stream (LOL) was fukked up or not. But you can't seriously tell me Fraud is actually good and believe it. Tell me your not just a lame UK groupie who can't see reality. Are you?

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you've clearly got things wrong (not for the first time..). I'm in no way a froch groupie, I don't even like the guy, I think his defense is piss poor and his so called granite chin isn't so granite. But I give credit where due.. he came to america for his first defense (something we very rarely see) and survived being outworked for the better part of 9 rounds then slowly edged his way back into it, and finally knocked him down. I don't care if Taylor was out of steam, out of guts or out of oxygen I'm still gunna give Froch credit where due.

You on the other hand... you are probably one of the most bitter and arogant people on this forum. You rip into fighters so much coming up to a fight, and even give them your own little cute nicknames (con, fraud, etc..) and when they win you are so upset that you rip into their opponents and label it a 'fake win' or whatever you wanna call it.. ffs dude, why don't you give a english fighter some credit where due? If Taylor had won this fight you would be going on about it for decades to come, how the 'fraud' finally got exposed. :-\

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

you're not gunna start crying are you? :( :( :(

seriously, you are such a fucking fan boy. I've never known someone as bias towards english fighters as you.

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LOL. I never been much of a Taylor fan. I just thought he'll beat Fraud. And if he had any stamina he would of.

I don't know if your stream (LOL) was fukked up or not. But you can't seriously tell me Fraud is actually good and believe it. Tell me your not just a lame UK groupie who can't see reality. Are you?

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you've clearly got things wrong (not for the first time..). I'm in no way a froch groupie, I don't even like the guy, I think his defense is piss poor and his so called granite chin isn't so granite. But I give credit where due.. he came to america for his first defense (something we very rarely see) and survived being outworked for the better part of 9 rounds then slowly edged his way back into it, and finally knocked him down. I don't care if Taylor was out of steam, out of guts or out of oxygen I'm still gunna give Froch credit where due.

You on the other hand... you are probably one of the most bitter and arogant people on this forum. You rip into fighters so much coming up to a fight, and even give them your own little cute nicknames (con, fraud, etc..) and when they win you are so upset that you rip into their opponents and label it a 'fake win' or whatever you wanna call it.. ffs dude, why don't you give a english fighter some credit where due? If Taylor had won this fight you would be going on about it for decades to come, how the 'fraud' finally got exposed. :-\

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hahaha Well said JoeyUK:cool:

VD can be such a prick and hates to see any UK fighter doing well...

He's gonna have to get used to it as we could have 3 more titles coming back to our shores soon.

Froch didn't fight well and i think that was down to Taylor boxing brilliantly for 8/9 rounds and it took him a while to negate his speed to be honest.

But the way he came back was pure class and no one can deny that.

Apart from VD

He didnt really come back though smash did he, all that happened is what I said and what nearly everyone else thought as well, is that Taylor just isnt strong enough to be in this weight.

Froch just carried on fighting wide open and Taylor wore down.

Against a true supermiddle like Kessler or Andrade Carl would come unstuck, if a faded middle who weighed in light can deck Carl heavily and make him look petrified while he was on his ass then a true supermiddle puncher would either spark him or make him fight very cautious.

Everyone said this would happen, Taylor would make Carl look silly then just wear down because of the strength difference.

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Originally Posted by ross

He didnt really come back though smash did he, all that happened is what I said and what nearly everyone else thought as well, is that Taylor just isnt strong enough to be in this weight.

Froch just carried on fighting wide open and Taylor wore down.

Against a true supermiddle like Kessler or Andrade Carl would come unstuck, if a faded middle who weighed in light can deck Carl heavily and make him look petrified while he was on his ass then a true supermiddle puncher would either spark him or make him fight very cautious.

Everyone said this would happen, Taylor would make Carl look silly then just wear down because of the strength difference.

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I dont usually agree with Ross to much, but thats the true reality... I thought Froch was lucky last nite and all of you know it.

Anyone who said they predicted Froch down by 4 rounds going into the 12th, to TKO taylor with 14 seconds left is a lieing mofo. That kind of comeback at that level is a once every 2 year occurance

Its boxing and its part of the game and Froch won fair and square with determination and heart...

It was a typical Froch performance in that he didn't make things easy for himself and did start very slow. Taylor looked very good early on and had an impressive jab, counters and hand speed.
The longer the fight went on the closer Carl got to Taylor and the pressure resulted in that superb 12th round stoppage.

Credit to the referee Ortega - the timing of the stoppage was perfect - Taylor had nothing left.

Fantastic achievement by Carl to goto the US in his 1st defence and defeat a truly World class opponent - a man who defeated Bernard Hopkins twice.

Hopefully Carl has a homecoming fight next in Nottingham and then can get a fight with Lucian Bute.

i had froch down 1 round going into last round so even if he didnt stop taylor it would of been a draw in my book;D

I had time to read some replies but I began to wonder how Taylor even got this far in boxing with his so called stamina problem. He's done well and it's not that he failed for the lack of heart. He beat Hopkins twice over twelve rounds and his last three losses were due to poor preparation on top of stamina troubles. He was a champ and did the best he could considering his problems. Froch on the other hand is one tough son of a bitch but when is he going to learn how to box. He lunged so many times that I thought they were filming another Superman sequel. His left hand was low enough to shake hands with a roach. He won and Taylor is a big question mark. Both men need teachers instead of trainers, especially Froch but his so called granite chin was chipped a bit but he did outlast Taylor. Until someone has proof to the contrary he is somewhat of a hard man, so far.

Not only does Taylor fade in fights, he has been sparked recently and dropped by lacy and his stamina problem was highlighted by fighting someone who is naturally stronger.

Thats why against Hopkins and Wright and such, he still managed to win because he was fighting on level strength terms.

When Frochs team mans up and fights a genuine world class supermiddle, he gets flattened.

Taylor cant be considered a top supermiddle because hes only had one fight at supermiddle against someone else whos no longer world class and before that he had 2 straight losses, one a KO.

Thats the other thing, Pavlik did a much more impressive job;)

Having read a few of the responses to the fight, and the reports on fightnews and the bbc, I was surprised especially to see how Froch was competing more than I expected him to, and I struggle to see how he was four rounds down going into the 12th.

He'll be disappointed in the way he got dropped, but basically, he wasn't looking at Taylor, who'd seen the gap in his defence and attacked it. All the reports say Froch was down by four rounds on two of the cards....anyone know what the score was on the third card? As far as the way I looked at it was, I had him two rounds down going into the last, and that gave the closest one in my view to Taylor, so the two counts if Taylor would have taken a knee in the last would have won it on my card.

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Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran

I had time to read some replies but I began to wonder how Taylor even got this far in boxing with his so called stamina problem. He's done well and it's not that he failed for the lack of heart. He beat Hopkins twice over twelve rounds and his last three losses were due to poor preparation on top of stamina troubles. He was a champ and did the best he could considering his problems. Froch on the other hand is one tough son of a bitch but when is he going to learn how to box. He lunged so many times that I thought they were filming another Superman sequel. His left hand was low enough to shake hands with a roach. He won and Taylor is a big question mark. Both men need teachers instead of trainers, especially Froch but his so called granite chin was chipped a bit but he did outlast Taylor. Until someone has proof to the contrary he is somewhat of a hard man, so far.

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What I like to say is Jermain is one of the elite fighter's for the first six rounds. Then he just get's winded and stops throwing and start's backing up. People say Taylor don't have power they are full of shit. As he did knock Froch down,and Pavlik something that people forget when Hopkins dismantled Pavlik. Taylor to me now is somewhat of a tragic story. Has all of the tools to do a number on anyone but lacks the stamina to keep doing it. The thing is he just goes balls to the wall so early. As I watched that fight I kept thinking of Larry Holmes for soem reason. Then in it dawn's on me. Taylor just kept trying to bomb Froch out with counter right hands but he never really took his time and set up the right hand with his always solid jab. I couldn't help but think of Holmes because Taylor just reminds me of him if only he would box with his jab and look to throw the right hand later. I honestly thought if Taylor stuck with his jab the entire night it would have been a cake walk for him. All credit to Froch though he did show why he is the champ. Amazing.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Having read a few of the responses to the fight, and the reports on fightnews and the bbc, I was surprised especially to see how Froch was competing more than I expected him to, and I struggle to see how he was four rounds down going into the 12th.

He'll be disappointed in the way he got dropped, but basically, he wasn't looking at Taylor, who'd seen the gap in his defence and attacked it. All the reports say Froch was down by four rounds on two of the cards....anyone know what the score was on the third card? As far as the way I looked at it was, I had him two rounds down going into the last, and that gave the closest one in my view to Taylor, so the two counts if Taylor would have taken a knee in the last would have won it on my card.

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Same here mate!!

I agree the judges were bias unfairly towards the Home town fighter.

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

you're not gunna start crying are you? :( :( :(

seriously, you are such a fucking fan boy. I've never known someone as bias towards english fighters as you.

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LOL. I never been much of a Taylor fan. I just thought he'll beat Fraud. And if he had any stamina he would of.

I don't know if your stream (LOL) was fukked up or not. But you can't seriously tell me Fraud is actually good and believe it. Tell me your not just a lame UK groupie who can't see reality. Are you?

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you've clearly got things wrong (not for the first time..). I'm in no way a froch groupie, I don't even like the guy, I think his defense is piss poor and his so called granite chin isn't so granite. But I give credit where due.. he came to america for his first defense (something we very rarely see) and survived being outworked for the better part of 9 rounds then slowly edged his way back into it, and finally knocked him down. I don't care if Taylor was out of steam, out of guts or out of oxygen I'm still gunna give Froch credit where due.

You on the other hand... you are probably one of the most bitter and arogant people on this forum. You rip into fighters so much coming up to a fight, and even give them your own little cute nicknames (con, fraud, etc..) and when they win you are so upset that you rip into their opponents and label it a 'fake win' or whatever you wanna call it.. ffs dude, why don't you give a english fighter some credit where due? If Taylor had won this fight you would be going on about it for decades to come, how the 'fraud' finally got exposed. :-\

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JoeyUK I totaly agree with you .

VD is just an iritating tosser who lowers the standard of this fourm IMO.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I''ll be very surprised if Froch gets a decision in Taylor's backyard.

Taylor has a big speed advantage. He'll be bombing eye-catching crowd-whoopers, especially early doors, onto Froch's bonce, which will influence the judges greatly.

Froch has to stop him. I doubt he can do that unless Taylor fades badly.

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Mate you should enter the prediction comp, you'd be there or there abouts every time ;)

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I''ll be very surprised if Froch gets a decision in Taylor's backyard.

Taylor has a big speed advantage. He'll be bombing eye-catching crowd-whoopers, especially early doors, onto Froch's bonce, which will influence the judges greatly.

Froch has to stop him. I doubt he can do that unless Taylor fades badly.

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Mate you should enter the prediction comp, you'd be there or there abouts every time ;)

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Shame i plumped for Taylor on PTS though.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I''ll be very surprised if Froch gets a decision in Taylor's backyard.

Taylor has a big speed advantage. He'll be bombing eye-catching crowd-whoopers, especially early doors, onto Froch's bonce, which will influence the judges greatly.

Froch has to stop him. I doubt he can do that unless Taylor fades badly.

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Mate you should enter the prediction comp, you'd be there or there abouts every time ;)

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Shame i plumped for Taylor on PTS though.

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<<<Froch by KO over here (though I admit I didn't know he'd won until the following day, I fell asleep during the radio commentary around round 9-10 and woke up thinking he'd lost on points).

But well done you for suggesting Taylor could fade badly! ;)