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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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mafiajoey
I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL
Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.
I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.
But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.
This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.
not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?
It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.
In his early career he was ferocious, especially his body shots they were savage. It's like watching two totally different fighters.
Watch his battle with Wilfredo Rivera.
Or his destruction of Leija, Johnson, its like it isn't the same fighter.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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ICB
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Mars_ax
The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.
Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.
There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.
Or takes a suicide mission to become an immortal by trying to beat the reigning middle king, Sergio Martinez!
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Snakey
I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.
See I think JMM is the exception because he never saw the very best Manny. The guy with a right hand, good balance and solid footwork.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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No Contest
I gave Shane too much credit, maybe because I didnt watch the Mora fight, but this was as bad if not worse than his Mayweather outing, just cant pull that trigger. Hate to say it but you can put a fork in him, he's done. I think this kind of helped Pac's case as far as who would win between him and Mayweather. Mayweather never really hurt Shane as bad as Pac did, and got out boxed just as bad. If Pac gets Floyd in trouble like Shane did, I have no doubt he would finish the job off.
even Shane admitted he has not felt power like that for a long time. Considering PAC was not 100% tonight, now I really want to see PBF vs PAC.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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No Contest
I gave Shane too much credit, maybe because I didnt watch the Mora fight, but this was as bad if not worse than his Mayweather outing, just cant pull that trigger. Hate to say it but you can put a fork in him, he's done. I think this kind of helped Pac's case as far as who would win between him and Mayweather. Mayweather never really hurt Shane as bad as Pac did, and got out boxed just as bad. If Pac gets Floyd in trouble like Shane did, I have no doubt he would finish the job off.
even Shane admitted he has not felt power like that for a long time. Considering PAC was not 100% tonight, now I really want to see PBF vs PAC.
Floyd HAMMERS the Manny that fought tonight. The question is did Manny have an off night (for whatever reason) or is this the slide Father Time imposes on everyone.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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ICB
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Mars_ax
The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.
Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.
There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.
True, but there still has to be someone more competitive then Mosley for Pacquiao to fight next. I realize the bottom line in boxing, is making money, but stinkers like the one tonight just hurt boxing.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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mafiajoey
I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL
Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.
I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.
But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.
This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.
not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?
It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.
Not sure about blood and guts, but he would go after guys and look to destroy them. Then he ran into the late Vernon Forrest (RIP)... and any chance of him being a killer after that went out the f*ckin window. He was fine with guys that were at a disadvantage against him. But if you go back and watch that fight, I don't think Shane saw his own blood before that... Theres was a clash of heads Shane saw his own blood, panicked. Vernon caught him with an uppercut from hell. From that point on, I don't recall seeing Shane go after anyone like he did before that. He was put on notice that he wasn't invincible... More importantly, he bought into it completely.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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miles
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ICB
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Mars_ax
The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.
Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.
There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.
Or is willing to come down to 140. It's not as though he is boiling down to 147.
Marquez in the fall at 140. Only at 140 though, Marquez would be coming up in weight already.
Im bit worried for my boy JMM, because he's getting marked up alot now. And he's been getting dropped and hurt, the man is a warrior and is my favourite current fighter. I also think he beat Pacquiao twice, but i would be really worried about him fighting Pacquiao at this point.
But he certainly would give a much better performance, than Mosley did whether he wins or loses.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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mafiajoey
I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL
Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.
I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.
But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.
This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.
not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?
It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.
He was hardly Gatti, but he was never a pure boxer either. A guy that liked to go to war, but because of his combinations and handspeed always came off best. He didn't need to go into the trenches like a blood and guts fighter. Here there was no output, no combinations and because of that we couldn't even see how good the handspeed was.
Mosley of even just half a decade ago was night and day compared to this. I have never seen him so stiff, hesitant and just looking to see it through. Mayweather gave us very good glimpses, but this was considerably worse.
It really looked like a fighter looking for his last paycheck and I take no satisfaction in saying such a thing.
He still has the know how to go the distance, but has forgotten how to win rounds at the top.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Snakey
I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.
See I think JMM is the exception because he never saw the very best Manny. The guy with a right hand, good balance and solid footwork.
except he didnt have that tonight - you said it yourself ;)
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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marbleheadmaui
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Snakey
I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.
See I think JMM is the exception because he never saw the very best Manny. The guy with a right hand, good balance and solid footwork.
Yeah this could be true as well. But im just waiting for someone to actually turn up and throw punches for the hell of it which I think JMM will do. These guys seem to just stand there and admire Manny, they stand and go "oh wow this guy really is different" instead of being like "righto business as usual, lets throw down".
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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J_Undisputed
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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Howlin Mad Missy
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ICB
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mafiajoey
I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL
Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.
I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.
But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.
This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.
not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?
It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.
Not sure about blood and guts, but he would go after guys and look to destroy them. Then he ran into the late Vernon Forrest (RIP)... and any chance of him being a killer after that went out the f*ckin window. He was fine with guys that were at a disadvantage against him. But if you go back and watch that fight, I don't think Shane saw his own blood before that... Theres was a clash of heads Shane saw his own blood, panicked. Vernon caught him with an uppercut from hell. From that point on, I don't recall seeing Shane go after anyone like he did before that. He was put on notice that he wasn't invincible... More importantly, he bought into it completely.
Totally agree that beating he took from Vernon Forrest, he never really recovered from IMO.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Snakey
I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.
Precisely, unless you are mental like Margarito, you have now half lost before you get in the ring.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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ICB
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miles
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ICB
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Mars_ax
The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.
Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.
There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.
Or is willing to come down to 140. It's not as though he is boiling down to 147.
Marquez in the fall at 140. Only at 140 though, Marquez would be coming up in weight already.
Im bit worried for my boy JMM, because he's getting marked up alot now. And he's been getting dropped and hurt, the man is a warrior and is my favourite current fighter. I also think he beat Pacquiao twice, but i would be really worried about him fighting Pacquiao at this point.
But he certainly would give a much better performance, than Mosley did whether he wins or loses.
Even if Manny is fading, it is hard to see the JMM who struggled with Diaz and got dropped by Katsidis having a way to win that fight.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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No Contest
I gave Shane too much credit, maybe because I didnt watch the Mora fight, but this was as bad if not worse than his Mayweather outing, just cant pull that trigger. Hate to say it but you can put a fork in him, he's done. I think this kind of helped Pac's case as far as who would win between him and Mayweather. Mayweather never really hurt Shane as bad as Pac did, and got out boxed just as bad. If Pac gets Floyd in trouble like Shane did, I have no doubt he would finish the job off.
even Shane admitted he has not felt power like that for a long time. Considering PAC was not 100% tonight, now I really want to see PBF vs PAC.
Floyd HAMMERS the Manny that fought tonight. The question is did Manny have an off night (for whatever reason) or is this the slide Father Time imposes on everyone.
Hopefully it's not father time. All in all I'm happy PAC was able to drop the bigger Shane and do more damage than PBF did.
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It was sad to see Mosley on the canvas. The guy has a granite chin and manny cracked it, I knew after that it was over. Mosley is just not the type of guy to dig deep and start picking up his game. If hes in trouble and his game plan hasnt been working, thats it.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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marbleheadmaui
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Mars_ax
The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.
Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.
That was an amazing display by Arce. The guy has guts on tap.
I agree Marble, but many more fights for Jorge like the one tonight, and he's going to end up punchy. I hope he calls it quits and goes out on top.
I hate to say it, because I like Kelly Pavlik, but I don't think there's anyway he's going to be able to hang with the big dogs at 168, he's just too slow, doesn't throw punches in bunches, and he's way too predictable. Froch, Bute, Ward, and even Glen Johnson would eat him alive.
P.S. The good news for Pavlik is, he's got enough tatoos to last him a lifetime.
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Pac weighed in at 145, I dont think 140 is out of the question. I think Khan is too hitable and Bradley doesnt have the pop to make Pac wary. The only fight that is really out there for Pac that seems like it could be a test is Floyd. Here we go again....I really hope Arum doesnt put Cotto back in there. Victor Ortiz?...I think that would be a early ko, just too reckless. Maybe Saul Alvarez.....dont think he could deal with the onslaught, he lacks defense.
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No Contest
Pac weighed in at 145, I dont think 140 is out of the question. I think Khan is too hitable and Bradley doesnt have the pop to make Pac wary. The only fight that is really out there for Pac that seems like it could be a test is Floyd. Here we go again....I really hope Arum doesnt put Cotto back in there. Victor Ortiz?...I think that would be a early ko, just too reckless. Maybe Saul Alvarez.....dont think he could deal with the onslaught, he lacks defense.
any natural 147 pounder is a legitimate threat I think. If the PBF fight does not happen hopefully PAC unifies the welters.
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No Contest
Pac weighed in at 145, I dont think 140 is out of the question. I think Khan is too hitable and Bradley doesnt have the pop to make Pac wary. The only fight that is really out there for Pac that seems like it could be a test is Floyd. Here we go again....I really hope Arum doesnt put Cotto back in there. Victor Ortiz?...I think that would be a early ko, just too reckless. Maybe Saul Alvarez.....dont think he could deal with the onslaught, he lacks defense.
140 isn't out of the question. he is a 140 pound fighter that eats normally and doens't dehydrate before fights. I have no idea what he weighed tonight but his other fights at welter, he only weighed around 148-149 when entering the ring. That is less than some junior welters in their fights. Heck, Brandon Rios weighed 151 in the ring for one of his last fights at 135.
Pac could make 140 with ease.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Mars_ax
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marbleheadmaui
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Mars_ax
The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.
Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.
That was an amazing display by Arce. The guy has guts on tap.
I agree Marble, but many more fights for Jorge like the one tonight, and he's going to end up punchy. I hope he calls it quits and goes out on top.
I hate to say it, because I like Kelly Pavlik, but I don't think there's anyway he's going to be able to hang with the big dogs at 168, he's just too slow, doesn't throw punches in bunches, and he's way too predictable. Froch, Bute, Ward, and even Glen Johnson would eat him alive.
P.S. The good news for Pavlik is, he's got enough tatoos to last him a lifetime.
Arce punchy? Cripes I thought that had happened 2-3 years ago! Seriously! I thought the guy shoulda called it a career after Mijares dominated him. What the hell do I know?
Agree 100% on Pavlik.
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I wasn't paying attention, did Showime give us fight time weights for Manny-Shane?
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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marbleheadmaui
I wasn't paying attention, did Showime give us fight time weights for Manny-Shane?
I don't know, I got a stream with Jim Watt calling the fight, Pacquiao doesn't usually re-hydrate that much does he?
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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marbleheadmaui
I wasn't paying attention, did Showime give us fight time weights for Manny-Shane?
I don't know, I got a stream with Jim Watt calling the fight, Pacquiao doesn't usually re-hydrate that much does he?
Nope. Just trying to figure out the legs/movement issue. Age or overtraining?
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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marbleheadmaui
I wasn't paying attention, did Showime give us fight time weights for Manny-Shane?
I don't know, I got a stream with Jim Watt calling the fight, Pacquiao doesn't usually re-hydrate that much does he?
Nope. Just trying to figure out the legs/movement issue. Age or overtraining?
Maybe he didnt warm up enough. He said they were coming good in the end which I would highly doubt be the case if it was either age or overtraining.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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marbleheadmaui
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Mars_ax
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marbleheadmaui
I wasn't paying attention, did Showime give us fight time weights for Manny-Shane?
I don't know, I got a stream with Jim Watt calling the fight, Pacquiao doesn't usually re-hydrate that much does he?
Nope. Just trying to figure out the legs/movement issue. Age or overtraining?
I think it was Manny's opponent, it's hard to look good against an old pro like Mosley who was just trying to survive. With a few exceptions, I felt like Pacquiao never really turned it up a notch to take Shane out of there.
Hang ten dude, i'm off to bed.
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Snakey
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marbleheadmaui
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Mars_ax
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marbleheadmaui
I wasn't paying attention, did Showime give us fight time weights for Manny-Shane?
I don't know, I got a stream with Jim Watt calling the fight, Pacquiao doesn't usually re-hydrate that much does he?
Nope. Just trying to figure out the legs/movement issue. Age or overtraining?
Maybe he didnt warm up enough. He said they were coming good in the end which I would highly doubt be the case if it was either age or overtraining.
Good point!
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Man! I am so disappointed in Mosley. I can understand what he did after getting hit with the straight left, but he promised us he would go after Pacquiao and didn't.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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Man! I am so disappointed in Mosley. I can understand what he did after getting hit with the straight left, but he promised us he would go after Pacquiao and didn't.
Man imagine the self doubt going through his mind. He hasnt been dropped in yrs, in his mind he cant be dropped by this guy...his chin is granite and then BOOOM down he goes. The fight was done as soon the left hand touched his chin, mentally beaten.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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miles
That was a horrible fight and told us nothing and yes I will be critical. I was supporting Mosley, but criticised this fight time and time again and it has only confirmed to all of us why there was no need for this fight to be signed in the first place.
Mosley used the Barrera 2 model and threw about 7 right hands all night. He circled effectively, but showed that he cannot throw more than a 2 punch combo without running in and holding. Manny Pac merely did what he had to do, he showed us nothing new.
What this has also showed is that Manny Pac is nothing more than an opportunist when it comes to matchmaking. A cheater followed by a former great who hasn't won in a number of years.
I am sure I am not alone in feeling this way. Few of us believed that this fight should have been made and the boos in the crowd confirmed why.
It was a very poor fight.
I agree it was a horrible fight. It went like a lot of Floyd's fights. But it doesn't reflect on a damn thing except what Mosley was incapable of. I think he caught the Clottey syndrome.
As far as Pac picking opponents, it's more a reflection on Top Rank. We all know who's next in line. I think the only chance for Floyd to get the big money fight with Pac is to step up to the plate now because I think there won't be any more opportunity in the future. Floyd will be kicking himself for not taking the last offer till he reaches his grave.
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One has to take Bella Gonzalez from Mosley and give to a real man.
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One has to take Bella Gonzalez from Mosley and give to a real man.
:( i want to sad click you right now
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fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
miles
That was a horrible fight and told us nothing and yes I will be critical. I was supporting Mosley, but criticised this fight time and time again and it has only confirmed to all of us why there was no need for this fight to be signed in the first place.
Mosley used the Barrera 2 model and threw about 7 right hands all night. He circled effectively, but showed that he cannot throw more than a 2 punch combo without running in and holding. Manny Pac merely did what he had to do, he showed us nothing new.
What this has also showed is that Manny Pac is nothing more than an opportunist when it comes to matchmaking. A cheater followed by a former great who hasn't won in a number of years.
I am sure I am not alone in feeling this way. Few of us believed that this fight should have been made and the boos in the crowd confirmed why.
It was a very poor fight.
I agree it was a horrible fight. It went like a lot of Floyd's fights. But it doesn't reflect on a damn thing except what Mosley was incapable of. I think he caught the Clottey syndrome.
As far as Pac picking opponents, it's more a reflection on Top Rank. We all know who's next in line. I think the only chance for Floyd to get the big money fight with Pac is to step up to the plate now because I think there won't be any more opportunity in the future. Floyd will be kicking himself for not taking the last offer till he reaches his grave.
is Marquez next? hopefully its Ortiz or one of the other beltholders so PAC could unify the welters.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
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fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
miles
That was a horrible fight and told us nothing and yes I will be critical. I was supporting Mosley, but criticised this fight time and time again and it has only confirmed to all of us why there was no need for this fight to be signed in the first place.
Mosley used the Barrera 2 model and threw about 7 right hands all night. He circled effectively, but showed that he cannot throw more than a 2 punch combo without running in and holding. Manny Pac merely did what he had to do, he showed us nothing new.
What this has also showed is that Manny Pac is nothing more than an opportunist when it comes to matchmaking. A cheater followed by a former great who hasn't won in a number of years.
I am sure I am not alone in feeling this way. Few of us believed that this fight should have been made and the boos in the crowd confirmed why.
It was a very poor fight.
I agree it was a horrible fight. It went like a lot of Floyd's fights. But it doesn't reflect on a damn thing except what Mosley was incapable of. I think he caught the Clottey syndrome.
As far as Pac picking opponents, it's more a reflection on Top Rank. We all know who's next in line. I think the only chance for Floyd to get the big money fight with Pac is to step up to the plate now because I think there won't be any more opportunity in the future. Floyd will be kicking himself for not taking the last offer till he reaches his grave.
Clottey was a punching machine compared to this version of Mosley. Mosley threw only 260 punches against Manny whilst Clottey threw 399. It was an absolute shocker from Shane. I have never seen a top level fighter lose all of their confidence and will like that. He threw the right hand about seven times in the fight and refused to unglue it from his chin.
Surely he has to retire now. There is nowhere for him to go and he is obviously a long way down the totem pole. Judging on how he has been in the comeback off the 18 month layoff I think he has slipped a lot physically. The signs were there with Mayorga, but there is little room for doubt now. He still has a good boxing brain, going 12 with Manny is achievement enough, but unlike someone like Cotto, Mosley was never really in the fight or posed a threat. He might have edged round 1, but a shut out from then on. The late KD was a mistake.
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Re: Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!
After last night I'm even more certain Mayweather would school Pac. Mosley has never been a huge counter puncher but he tried adopting those tactics last night and had SOME success. Mayweather will land right hands on Pac coming in all night and I can even see him stopping Pac. IMO Pacquiao is tailor made for Floyd Mayweather.
I just hope they get the fight on now. We've seen Pac-Marquez twice and all that happens is Arum pays the judges off every time. We all know how one sided Mayweather vs Ortiz would be and unless Floyd truly believes he needs a tune up due to his inactivity I think the time has to be now before either fighter can use the age excuse. Mayweather is 34 and should he fight again before a Pac fight he would be 35 (assuming that they fought after that). Pac is 32 and people were suggesting last night (although I disagree) that he may be on the slide. The time is now for Floyd vs Pacquiao or it will be never.
Both men need to take a leaf from Haye and Wlad and sign up for a 50/50 fight straight down the middle on all fronts and agree to fight where most money is being offered. IMO there has never been a fight more deserving of a 50/50 purse split!
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I gave Shane too much credit, maybe because I didnt watch the Mora fight, but this was as bad if not worse than his Mayweather outing, just cant pull that trigger. Hate to say it but you can put a fork in him, he's done. I think this kind of helped Pac's case as far as who would win between him and Mayweather. Mayweather never really hurt Shane as bad as Pac did, and got out boxed just as bad. If Pac gets Floyd in trouble like Shane did, I have no doubt he would finish the job off.
even Shane admitted he has not felt power like that for a long time. Considering PAC was not 100% tonight, now I really want to see PBF vs PAC.
Floyd HAMMERS the Manny that fought tonight. The question is did Manny have an off night (for whatever reason) or is this the slide Father Time imposes on everyone.
Hopefully it's not father time. All in all I'm happy PAC was able to drop the bigger Shane and do more damage than PBF did.
Every post you suck Pac's balls and then name drop Floyd...wow what a Pactard. Glad your the only one who thinks Manny knocking down shane is a huge accomplishment because Floyd didn't LOL Do you want to have Floyd and Pac line up and measure talley whackers too lol
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ive been saying ever since that jmm and pbf can beat pac. but is it really a good idea to judge the outcome of pbf vs pac based on the mosley fight? mosley was gunshy the whole night he also concentrated too much on defense. pure defense and no offense wont win you the fight and weve seen before that when you go toe to toe with pac the opponent usually pays. except jmm maybe but he got dropped a few times too. one thing is certain im sure pbf is pissed cause pac dropped shane while he cant. :)
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Knocking Shane down is a big deal its only the 2nd time in his career he's been down.
Does anyone think Pac lightened up on Shane to make a Floyd fight more likely? I don't know, I didn't watch the fight.
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I wake up this morning still mad I paid to see Shane Mosely run and run not willing to fight or counter. It was one of the most despicable showings I can remember. Mosely was there to pick up 1 last big pay day and that was it
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Knocking Shane down is a big deal its only the 2nd time in his career he's been down.
Does anyone think Pac lightened up on Shane to make a Floyd fight more likely? I don't know, I didn't watch the fight.
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if you take the knockdown in isolation it makes pac look better, pac struggled with the overall style of ssm and couldn't maintain the pace to get him out of there. pbf did take a couple of good shots from ssm but got outboxed.
