Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!

[Mars_ax]

The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.

Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.

There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.

True, but there still has to be someone more competitive then Mosley for Pacquiao to fight next. I realize the bottom line in boxing, is making money, but stinkers like the one tonight just hurt boxing.

[J_Undisputed]

I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL

Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.

It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.

And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.

it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.

I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.

But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.

This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.

not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?

It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.

Not sure about blood and guts, but he would go after guys and look to destroy them. Then he ran into the late Vernon Forrest (RIP)... and any chance of him being a killer after that went out the f*ckin window. He was fine with guys that were at a disadvantage against him. But if you go back and watch that fight, I don't think Shane saw his own blood before that... Theres was a clash of heads Shane saw his own blood, panicked. Vernon caught him with an uppercut from hell. From that point on, I don't recall seeing Shane go after anyone like he did before that. He was put on notice that he wasn't invincible... More importantly, he bought into it completely.

[ICB]

The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.

Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.

There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.

Or is willing to come down to 140. It's not as though he is boiling down to 147.

Marquez in the fall at 140. Only at 140 though, Marquez would be coming up in weight already.

Im bit worried for my boy JMM, because he's getting marked up alot now. And he's been getting dropped and hurt, the man is a warrior and is my favourite current fighter. I also think he beat Pacquiao twice, but i would be really worried about him fighting Pacquiao at this point.

But he certainly would give a much better performance, than Mosley did whether he wins or loses.

[Gandalf]

I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL

Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.

It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.

And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.

it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.

I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.

But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.

This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.

not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?

It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.

He was hardly Gatti, but he was never a pure boxer either. A guy that liked to go to war, but because of his combinations and handspeed always came off best. He didn't need to go into the trenches like a blood and guts fighter. Here there was no output, no combinations and because of that we couldn't even see how good the handspeed was.

Mosley of even just half a decade ago was night and day compared to this. I have never seen him so stiff, hesitant and just looking to see it through. Mayweather gave us very good glimpses, but this was considerably worse.

It really looked like a fighter looking for his last paycheck and I take no satisfaction in saying such a thing.

He still has the know how to go the distance, but has forgotten how to win rounds at the top.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.

See I think JMM is the exception because he never saw the very best Manny. The guy with a right hand, good balance and solid footwork.

except he didnt have that tonight - you said it yourself

[Snakey]

I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.

See I think JMM is the exception because he never saw the very best Manny. The guy with a right hand, good balance and solid footwork.

Yeah this could be true as well. But im just waiting for someone to actually turn up and throw punches for the hell of it which I think JMM will do. These guys seem to just stand there and admire Manny, they stand and go "oh wow this guy really is different" instead of being like "righto business as usual, lets throw down".

[ICB]

I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL

Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.

It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.

And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.

it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.

I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.

But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.

This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.

not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?

It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.

Not sure about blood and guts, but he would go after guys and look to destroy them. Then he ran into the late Vernon Forrest (RIP)... and any chance of him being a killer after that went out the f*ckin window. He was fine with guys that were at a disadvantage against him. But if you go back and watch that fight, I don't think Shane saw his own blood before that... Theres was a clash of heads Shane saw his own blood, panicked. Vernon caught him with an uppercut from hell. From that point on, I don't recall seeing Shane go after anyone like he did before that. He was put on notice that he wasn't invincible... More importantly, he bought into it completely.

Totally agree that beating he took from Vernon Forrest, he never really recovered from IMO.

[Gandalf]

I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.

Precisely, unless you are mental like Margarito, you have now half lost before you get in the ring.

[marbleheadmaui]

The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.

Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.

There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.

Or is willing to come down to 140. It's not as though he is boiling down to 147.

Marquez in the fall at 140. Only at 140 though, Marquez would be coming up in weight already.

Im bit worried for my boy JMM, because he's getting marked up alot now. And he's been getting dropped and hurt, the man is a warrior and is my favourite current fighter. I also think he beat Pacquiao twice, but i would be really worried about him fighting Pacquiao at this point.

But he certainly would give a much better performance, than Mosley did whether he wins or loses.

Even if Manny is fading, it is hard to see the JMM who struggled with Diaz and got dropped by Katsidis having a way to win that fight.

[Pavlik]

I gave Shane too much credit, maybe because I didnt watch the Mora fight, but this was as bad if not worse than his Mayweather outing, just cant pull that trigger. Hate to say it but you can put a fork in him, he's done. I think this kind of helped Pac's case as far as who would win between him and Mayweather. Mayweather never really hurt Shane as bad as Pac did, and got out boxed just as bad. If Pac gets Floyd in trouble like Shane did, I have no doubt he would finish the job off.

even Shane admitted he has not felt power like that for a long time. Considering PAC was not 100% tonight, now I really want to see PBF vs PAC.

Floyd HAMMERS the Manny that fought tonight. The question is did Manny have an off night (for whatever reason) or is this the slide Father Time imposes on everyone.

Hopefully it's not father time. All in all I'm happy PAC was able to drop the bigger Shane and do more damage than PBF did.

[Snakey]

It was sad to see Mosley on the canvas. The guy has a granite chin and manny cracked it, I knew after that it was over. Mosley is just not the type of guy to dig deep and start picking up his game. If hes in trouble and his game plan hasnt been working, thats it.

[Mars_ax]

The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.

Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.

That was an amazing display by Arce. The guy has guts on tap.

I agree Marble, but many more fights for Jorge like the one tonight, and he's going to end up punchy. I hope he calls it quits and goes out on top.

I hate to say it, because I like Kelly Pavlik, but I don't think there's anyway he's going to be able to hang with the big dogs at 168, he's just too slow, doesn't throw punches in bunches, and he's way too predictable. Froch, Bute, Ward, and even Glen Johnson would eat him alive.

P.S. The good news for Pavlik is, he's got enough tatoos to last him a lifetime.

[No Contest]

Pac weighed in at 145, I dont think 140 is out of the question. I think Khan is too hitable and Bradley doesnt have the pop to make Pac wary. The only fight that is really out there for Pac that seems like it could be a test is Floyd. Here we go again....I really hope Arum doesnt put Cotto back in there. Victor Ortiz?...I think that would be a early ko, just too reckless. Maybe Saul Alvarez.....dont think he could deal with the onslaught, he lacks defense.

[Pavlik]

Pac weighed in at 145, I dont think 140 is out of the question. I think Khan is too hitable and Bradley doesnt have the pop to make Pac wary. The only fight that is really out there for Pac that seems like it could be a test is Floyd. Here we go again....I really hope Arum doesnt put Cotto back in there. Victor Ortiz?...I think that would be a early ko, just too reckless. Maybe Saul Alvarez.....dont think he could deal with the onslaught, he lacks defense.

any natural 147 pounder is a legitimate threat I think. If the PBF fight does not happen hopefully PAC unifies the welters.

[captainanddew]

Pac weighed in at 145, I dont think 140 is out of the question. I think Khan is too hitable and Bradley doesnt have the pop to make Pac wary. The only fight that is really out there for Pac that seems like it could be a test is Floyd. Here we go again....I really hope Arum doesnt put Cotto back in there. Victor Ortiz?...I think that would be a early ko, just too reckless. Maybe Saul Alvarez.....dont think he could deal with the onslaught, he lacks defense.

140 isn't out of the question. he is a 140 pound fighter that eats normally and doens't dehydrate before fights. I have no idea what he weighed tonight but his other fights at welter, he only weighed around 148-149 when entering the ring. That is less than some junior welters in their fights. Heck, Brandon Rios weighed 151 in the ring for one of his last fights at 135.

Pac could make 140 with ease.