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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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If a ref wave's for a fight to continue, he should be damn well watching the f'n thing.
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What difference does it make? Ortiz was getting KOed right there if Cortez was watching or not. Surely you understand that?
I do and I even said that, it would have made no difference if he was watching or not... But he waved the fight on and stopped watching it.. What if Floyd had of done a low blow, or a headbutt back in retaliation?.. The ref wouldn't have seen it.. You're there to referee the fight from start to finish.. You wave it on, you gotta be watching what happens...
You stop the fight to seperate fighters and turn to the judges.. Then you return to paying attention to it and start the fight again..
In this case yes, it would have made no difference to the outcome.. But it's incompetence...
So we'll both be right in this case.. I'll settle for that.. ;)
;D Yeah you settle for your if's and buts.
The fact is Joe wasn't a factor.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I been reading twitter and everyone from Dan Rafael, Lou Dibella said Floyd did nothing wrong and had no problems. Dana White is pulling the Fire alarm, Max Kellerman said he was oppurtunistic. Lebron James was making Jokes. Lennox Lewis said when the ref says fight it dosent matter if the other guy looks away, the fighters were instructed to fight not hug. This whole thing is hilarious when you see how the outside world thinks that Ortiz is a retard
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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JT Rock
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No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol
I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.
How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be
He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.
Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.
Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.
Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff
I don't see anyone saying that Ortiz didn't do anything wrong, only that he was appropriately punished for it.
Ortiz always looks happy, he was the same way after he quit against Maidana. It's a total facade IMO.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Does no one find this funny shit i mean come on people fucker headbutts then hits him after. Then tries hug the guy while action called and gets knocked out in funny matter god people crack me up.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Yeah, I think we can at least all agree that Ortiz is as thick as shit.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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JT Rock
I been reading twitter and everyone from Dan Rafael, Lou Dibella said Floyd did nothing wrong and had no problems. Dana White is pulling the Fire alarm, Max Kellerman said he was oppurtunistic. Lebron James was making Jokes. Lennox Lewis said when the ref says fight it dosent matter if the other guy looks away, the fighters were instructed to fight not hug. This whole thing is hilarious when you see how the outside world thinks that Ortiz is a retard
From what I've seen, most people (myself included) think that by the letter of the law Floyd did nothing wrong. That doesn't change the fact that it was a bitch move.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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CFH
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JT Rock
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No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol
I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.
How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be
He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.
Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.
Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.
Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff
I don't see anyone saying that Ortiz didn't do anything wrong, only that he was appropriately punished for it.
Ortiz always looks happy, he was the same way after he quit against Maidana. It's a total facade IMO.
Its the intent Ortiz had. Tried to illegally gain an advantage to win, Mayweather did the same but stretched it legally yet he is getting scourged unbelievable here. You cant punish somemone who didnt break the rules.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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JT Rock
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No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol
I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.
How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be
He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.
Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.
Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.
Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff
I agree. Mayweather put his gloves up, as that is the 'sporting' thing to do, but had Ortiz looked at his face since the headbutt continuing on to the action resuming it was fairly obviously he wasnt content with an apologetic kiss from ortiz.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol
I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.
How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be
He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.
Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.
Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.
Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff
I don't see anyone saying that Ortiz didn't do anything wrong, only that he was appropriately punished for it.
Ortiz always looks happy, he was the same way after he quit against Maidana. It's a total facade IMO.
Its the intent Ortiz had. Tried to illegally gain an advantage to win, Mayweather did the same but stretched it legally yet he is getting scourged unbelievable here. You cant punish somemone who didnt break the rules.
And Ortiz was appropriately punished, I don't dispute that.
Mayweather didn't break the rules, but he broke convention. Stuff like what Ortiz was doing happens all the time after a foul, blatant or no, and it's convention for the other fighters to either accept the apology or to refuse but allow his opponent to put his guard back up.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Easy work for Floyd tonight, Ortiz was getting beat easy, he cheated several times and was knocked the fuck out like he deserved to be. Good thing for him, Floyd would have brutalized him until he quit again.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol
I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.
How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be
He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.
Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.
Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.
Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff
I don't see anyone saying that Ortiz didn't do anything wrong, only that he was appropriately punished for it.
Ortiz always looks happy, he was the same way after he quit against Maidana. It's a total facade IMO.
Its the intent Ortiz had. Tried to illegally gain an advantage to win, Mayweather did the same but stretched it legally yet he is getting scourged unbelievable here. You cant punish somemone who didnt break the rules.
And Ortiz was appropriately punished, I don't dispute that.
Mayweather didn't break the rules, but he broke convention. Stuff like what Ortiz was doing happens all the time after a foul, blatant or no, and it's convention for the other fighters to either accept the apology or to refuse but allow his opponent to put his guard back up.
I agree it was not something we are accustomed too, it was less than Manly to win that way. Floyd did it to Gatti and Mosely too so he is consistent. Seems like he is ruthless and acutely aware of every angle and takes every oppurtunity ala Hopkins
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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No one has acknowledged Ortiz was only sorry about the butt because he got caught. He threw 2 punches to a defenseless Floyd who was looking at Cortez. That's a fact!! and if Floyd got Ko'd you'd all be laughing. That was the craziest sequence I have ever seen in a fight and that spans a ton of Tyson fights.. Lol
I was cheering for Mayweather and I was disgusted by his actions. I also would not laugh if Ortiz had KO'd Mayweather after the butt, I'd be just as pissed off.
How come Ortiz can hit Floyd 2X while he is defenseless and looking away. The kid was sorry he got caught. Floyd never tried hugging him he had his hands on Victors chest. His body language didnt signify he was OK with it, Ortiz assumed he was straight after that and was over compensating because he didnt want to get beat up!! This is boxing and Ortiz looked like a kid in that moment and realized how brutal it could be
He didn't get away with butting and hitting Floyd, he got a point deducted and if it happened again he should have been disqualified.
Floyd absolutely approached him like he was going to hug/touch gloves. As soon as Ortiz was defenseless and Cortez was looking away, he struck. It was within the rules, but an absolutely childish and pathetic move by a great fighter who should be above those things.
Im talking about the moral high road most are taking on this. Ortiz butted and hit a defenseless Floyd who was looking away with the intent on gaining an advantage and was begging for forgiveness ONLY after getting in trouble. His intentions were obvious and Floyd started fighting when the action resumed. He did it to Gatti and to Mosely because the time was in and the action was on. If you look at Floyd his body language was anything but accepting of an apology. He retaliated plain and simple.
Sad part was Ortiz looked happy that the fight was over, weird stuff
I don't see anyone saying that Ortiz didn't do anything wrong, only that he was appropriately punished for it.
Ortiz always looks happy, he was the same way after he quit against Maidana. It's a total facade IMO.
Its the intent Ortiz had. Tried to illegally gain an advantage to win, Mayweather did the same but stretched it legally yet he is getting scourged unbelievable here. You cant punish somemone who didnt break the rules.
And Ortiz was appropriately punished, I don't dispute that.
Mayweather didn't break the rules, but he broke convention. Stuff like what Ortiz was doing happens all the time after a foul, blatant or no, and it's convention for the other fighters to either accept the apology or to refuse but allow his opponent to put his guard back up.
This is analogy maybe you wont get, but it's to do with soccer.
There is a foul near the penalty area and Thierry Henry (French Player playing for Arsenal) asks the ref if he can take it early. The defending team dont react quick enough and he scores. To me this is the same thing. How long should Mayweather wait for Ortiz to decide to put his hands up if the ref has said/or at least Mayweather has noticed he said continue?
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
JT when has Hopkins hit an opponent who albeit of his own volition is completely defenseless. Bending the rules is one thing, bitching out is another.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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JT when has Hopkins hit an opponent who albeit of his own volition is completely defenseless. Bending the rules is one thing, bitching out is another.
Well he did fake a low blow that one time ;D
Plus I don't see how faking pain is less 'bitchy' than punching a guy really hard in the face :confused:
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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JT when has Hopkins hit an opponent who albeit of his own volition is completely defenseless. Bending the rules is one thing, bitching out is another.
then you missed Ortiz hitting Floyd 2X while he was defenseless after butting him, the more I replay and settle I realize it is not as bad as I originally felt. Im not endorsing/condoning but more or less think Ortiz was getting swallowed up in the enormity of it all
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
This is boxing. He hugged Mayweather, then touched gloves. He then tried to hug him AGAIN. What's wrong with this guy. Sure it's unsportsmanlike to do but this is a violent sport. When someone is hugging and touching that often in a fight it means they want out. This sport is very brutal and if you do something stupid like that you can't blame anyone but yourself.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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This is boxing. He hugged Mayweather, then touched gloves. He then tried to hug him AGAIN. What's wrong with this guy. Sure it's unsportsmanlike to do but this is a violent sport. When someone is hugging and touching that often in a fight it means they want out. This sport is very brutal and if you do something stupid like that you can't blame anyone but yourself.
As Ortiz himself said after the fight.. Doesn't blame no one but himself...
Don't think anyone on here at all will deny ultimately it lied it Ortiz's hands to look after himself...
But i've seen 100's of fights where fighters have overtly apologized for an illegal blow or some sort, and pretty much all of those fights would have ended much differently if their opponent took that opportunity to sucker punch them while they are in the midst of trying to show good sportsmanship...
Floyd would have won anyway yes, Cortez couldn't have done anything about it, yes, Ortiz should have been defending himself and not apologized at all... Ortiz LOST himself the fight... Floyd took it in an unnecessary manner....
Most people hate what Floyd did.. Some are defending though, but I bet even they would have preferred to see him just go on and win in his usual fashion of continually dominating them with speed, skill, timing, and everything else that makes Floyd undefeated.... Even if Floyd just settled for the first tap to say "hey f*cker, you've apologized, you've kissed me and hugged me, now here is how it's going,,, let's get back to the f'n fight".... I would have prefered that personally...
But defend that behavior all you like, just when it becomes so common place in boxing that people no longer apologize or show sportsmanship for something ill done in the ring, then we'll have you guys to thank..
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
why should mayweather give ortiz any respct after he deliberately cheated. the ref said fight, ortiz wanted to hug some more, mayweather said i'll fucking show you what fightings all about and dropped him. fuck ortiz. little baby.
and i hate mayweather...but i may be fan now.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Why do these boxers have to hug and touch gloves all the time, it is sickening and they should do all that after the fight not during. Hopefully this puts an end to this nonsense.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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I been reading twitter and everyone from Dan Rafael, Lou Dibella said Floyd did nothing wrong and had no problems. Dana White is pulling the Fire alarm, Max Kellerman said he was oppurtunistic. Lebron James was making Jokes. Lennox Lewis said when the ref says fight it dosent matter if the other guy looks away, the fighters were instructed to fight not hug. This whole thing is hilarious when you see how the outside world thinks that Ortiz is a retard
It's what I said last night. All of this.
And PLEASE some of you guys don't make any sense...we agree Ortiz was a muppet and after Cortez said let's go - Ortiz goes to give him a man hug BUT he's looking at Cortez? Seriously?
Merchant always get's on Floyds case, most of the time I've found it funny but at the same time he can't be surprised if Floyd takes he bait.
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The whole evening was really bizarre, lampley kept crediting punches from the wrong fighter and was corrected by the other guys on numerous occasions. Also seemed like they were overrating what Ortiz was doing, I thought Hatton, DLH put more leather on PBF and Shane almost knocked him down.. To weird of a night for me
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Hand down man down. Momma there goes that man.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
It was refreshing watching an "HBO fight" without an HBO announce team for once, but that fella with McCullough (who pats his own back far to often) made my ears bleed.
Seriously hung over, someone tell the wind to stop blowing:p
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
My thoughts:
- Floyd's punches were 100% legal
- Ortiz is a complete moron for not protecting himself.
- That was a crappy ending.
- Someone of Mayweather's caliber --p4p best in the sport, 7-1 favorite in the fight, leading on the cards at that point in time -- does not need to end a fight that way.
- Pre-scripted? Ortiz takes Berto's punches and gets up and Berto is a harder puncher than Floyd. After the KO, Ortiz is very friendly with Floyd as was Floyd with Ortiz.
- This will make a Pacquiao fight even less likely.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I've made it pretty well known here that I don't like Floyd Mayweather. Don't like his attitude in and out of the ring... personally thinks he's done his share of ducking, while taking care of his precious "0"... and has been in some downright BORING fights.
But here's where I distance myself from being just a Floyd-hater. Last night was nobody's fault but Victor "WTF Were You Thinking" Ortiz himself.
First, he launches himself like a missile at Floyd's chin. Probably the most obvious headbutt I've ever seen. THEN... not content with kissing and hugging Floyd the first time... he goes to do it a SECOND time. AFTER Joe Cortes had given the "go-ahead" to continue fighting. Floyd, obviously still pissed about the headbutt, connects with a good left hook.... but not quite a knockout punch. So Victor "Rocket Scientist" Ortiz, with HIS HANDS STILL DOWN, looks over at Cortes as if to whine: "Floyd hit me." So Mayweather does the only thing he CAN do. He hits him with a right and knocks him out.
Conclusions:
1. Victor came off like the village idiot. Hey kid.... save the "I love you man" shit for Bud Light commercials. You're in a boxing match, not "Blind Date".
2. Why all the hate for Cortes (as usual)? He promptly took a well-deserved point off Ortiz... then motioned them to continue fighting. How was HE to know Ortiz still wanted some "kissie-poo" from Floyd? Cortes was just as taken by surprise as the rest of us.
3. Did Floyd deprive us fans from a good fight? Sure. But it was hardly his fault. He's a fighter and he's being paid to try to win. He saw an opening... he took it. It wasn't the most sportsman-like thing to do, but remember... he had just gotten the mother of all headbutts. No amount of smooching from Ortiz was going to fix his broken lip.
And while I'm at it.... what about the Merchant incident? What a riot !! That was almost as good as the fight itself. Again... I'm not applauding what Mayweather did. But it's painfully obvious the guy is carrying a giant chip on his shoulder when it comes to the press and their criticism of him. So when Merchant put him in a corner, Floyd lashed out. Was it right? Probably not. But it's probably not that difficult to go off at old Larry. He's (Larry) probably saying to himself, "Hell... I don't need this shit. I could be sitting in a bar somewhere downing scotch-and-sodas."
Finally, it's too bad the fight ended like this. But I put the blame squarely on Ortiz's very childish and immature shoulders.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
After see what Ortiz did to Floyd when he actually pressed there no way Floyd ever steps into the ring with Pacquiao. That fight is nothing more than a wet dream.
Seeing Ortiz's reaction, I'm convinced he already prepaid himself for being the loser.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
^(TitoFan) This is exactly how i feel. My first reaction was "ORTIZ YOU FUCKING IDIOT!"
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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I been reading twitter and everyone from Dan Rafael, Lou Dibella said Floyd did nothing wrong and had no problems. Dana White is pulling the Fire alarm, Max Kellerman said he was oppurtunistic. Lebron James was making Jokes. Lennox Lewis said when the ref says fight it dosent matter if the other guy looks away, the fighters were instructed to fight not hug. This whole thing is hilarious when you see how the outside world thinks that Ortiz is a retard
It's what I said last night. All of this.
And PLEASE some of you guys don't make any sense...we agree Ortiz was a muppet and after Cortez said let's go - Ortiz goes to give him a man hug BUT he's looking at Cortez? Seriously?
Merchant always get's on Floyds case, most of the time I've found it funny but at the same time he can't be surprised if Floyd takes he bait.
Larry Merchant isn't objective. He throws his opinions around too much. He mistreated George Foreman while he worked for HBO. He openly disliked Chris Byrd and Byrd called him out on it after one fight. He was more classy about it than Mayweather though. I always suspected Merchant was a high functioning drunk.
EDIT - I just wanted to add a couple of things to my mini-rant. I was disappointed in Mayweather's poorly worded, profane, explosion of voiced emotions. He and his side-kick should both be embarrassed, however, it was a build-up of frustration due to Merchant's past interviews with him and others.....and of course his closing monologues that irritate me. Merchant lost his cool too. If he had not said, "If I were 50 years younger I would kick your ass!" he could have turned to the camera and said something like, 'There is a perfect example of how being a multi-millionaire can't buy a person class, an education or even half a brain. He is clearly being overly defensive of his cheap shots, although legal, that finished the fight.'
I don't like Merchant and I always liked Mayweather but I saw a side of him I didn't like. He was winning and could have KO'ed Ortiz without the cheap shots and he would have looked much better in the long run. He had won every round.
As for Merchant, I think this was his last year and his retirement was way over-due. I got real tired of his attitude and opinions and always saying things like, 'This is another black eye in the dying sport of boxing. I'm Larry Merchant with HBO. Why hasn't he been fired? He runs down the only sport that keeps him paid.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
If id have been butted like Floyd had, id have steamed in at the first open chance i had. Floyd did nothing wrong in my eyes.
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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why should mayweather give ortiz any respct after he deliberately cheated. the ref said fight, ortiz wanted to hug some more, mayweather said i'll fucking show you what fightings all about and dropped him. fuck ortiz. little baby.
and i hate mayweather...but i may be fan now.
But Mayweather should have at least respected the fans who paid to watch the fight. They wanted to see a fight, not a sucker punch from the self-proclaimed best boxer to an underdog idiot.
Oppps, my bad. Why am I even saying this? Floyd never respects the fans or anybody.
And why am I even bitching about this? I didn't pay to watch the fight ............ so just ignore what I said.
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Howlin Mad Missy
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I been reading twitter and everyone from Dan Rafael, Lou Dibella said Floyd did nothing wrong and had no problems. Dana White is pulling the Fire alarm, Max Kellerman said he was oppurtunistic. Lebron James was making Jokes. Lennox Lewis said when the ref says fight it dosent matter if the other guy looks away, the fighters were instructed to fight not hug. This whole thing is hilarious when you see how the outside world thinks that Ortiz is a retard
It's what I said last night. All of this.
And PLEASE some of you guys don't make any sense...we agree Ortiz was a muppet and after Cortez said let's go - Ortiz goes to give him a man hug BUT he's looking at Cortez? Seriously?
Merchant always get's on Floyds case, most of the time I've found it funny but at the same time he can't be surprised if Floyd takes he bait.
Larry Merchant isn't objective. He throws his opinions around too much. He mistreated George Foreman while he worked for HBO. He openly disliked Chris Byrd and Byrd called him out on it after one fight. He was more classy about it than Mayweather though. I always suspected Merchant was a high functioning drunk.
EDIT - I just wanted to add a couple of things to my mini-rant. I was disappointed in Mayweather's poorly worded, profane, explosion of voiced emotions. He and his side-kick should both be embarrassed, however, it was a build-up of frustration due to Merchant's past interviews with him and others.....and of course his closing monologues that irritate me. Merchant lost his cool too. If he had not said, "If I were 50 years younger I would kick your ass!" he could have turned to the camera and said something like, 'There is a perfect example of how being a multi-millionaire can't buy a person class, an education or even half a brain. He is clearly being overly defensive of his cheap shots, although legal, that finished the fight.'
I don't like Merchant and I always liked Mayweather but I saw a side of him I didn't like. He was winning and could have KO'ed Ortiz without the cheap shots and he would have looked much better in the long run. He had won every round.
As for Merchant, I think this was his last year and his retirement was way over-due. I got real tired of his attitude and opinions and always saying things like, 'This is another black eye in the dying sport of boxing. I'm Larry Merchant with HBO. Why hasn't he been fired? He runs down the only sport that keeps him paid.
To be fair, Foreman who has boxed more than Merchant was awful and Merchant had far more insight than big George ever did. Proof that you don't need to lace up to commentate on a boxing contest.
Mayweather is a twat and that is a pretty much universal belief. Merchant doesn't butter up and good on him for having his integrity.
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miles
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standing8
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Howlin Mad Missy
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JT Rock
I been reading twitter and everyone from Dan Rafael, Lou Dibella said Floyd did nothing wrong and had no problems. Dana White is pulling the Fire alarm, Max Kellerman said he was oppurtunistic. Lebron James was making Jokes. Lennox Lewis said when the ref says fight it dosent matter if the other guy looks away, the fighters were instructed to fight not hug. This whole thing is hilarious when you see how the outside world thinks that Ortiz is a retard
It's what I said last night. All of this.
And PLEASE some of you guys don't make any sense...we agree Ortiz was a muppet and after Cortez said let's go - Ortiz goes to give him a man hug BUT he's looking at Cortez? Seriously?
Merchant always get's on Floyds case, most of the time I've found it funny but at the same time he can't be surprised if Floyd takes he bait.
Larry Merchant isn't objective. He throws his opinions around too much. He mistreated George Foreman while he worked for HBO. He openly disliked Chris Byrd and Byrd called him out on it after one fight. He was more classy about it than Mayweather though. I always suspected Merchant was a high functioning drunk.
EDIT - I just wanted to add a couple of things to my mini-rant. I was disappointed in Mayweather's poorly worded, profane, explosion of voiced emotions. He and his side-kick should both be embarrassed, however, it was a build-up of frustration due to Merchant's past interviews with him and others.....and of course his closing monologues that irritate me. Merchant lost his cool too. If he had not said, "If I were 50 years younger I would kick your ass!" he could have turned to the camera and said something like, 'There is a perfect example of how being a multi-millionaire can't buy a person class, an education or even half a brain. He is clearly being overly defensive of his cheap shots, although legal, that finished the fight.'
I don't like Merchant and I always liked Mayweather but I saw a side of him I didn't like. He was winning and could have KO'ed Ortiz without the cheap shots and he would have looked much better in the long run. He had won every round.
As for Merchant, I think this was his last year and his retirement was way over-due. I got real tired of his attitude and opinions and always saying things like, 'This is another black eye in the dying sport of boxing. I'm Larry Merchant with HBO. Why hasn't he been fired? He runs down the only sport that keeps him paid.
To be fair, Foreman who has boxed more than Merchant was awful and Merchant had far more insight than big George ever did. Proof that you don't need to lace up to commentate on a boxing contest.
Mayweather is a twat and that is a pretty much universal belief. Merchant doesn't butter up and good on him for having his integrity.
Using Foreman as an example ay? ;D Why not just use Lennox Lewis! ;D ;D
Foreman is a terrible pundit so setting Merchant off of him is going to give you a false reading all day long.
Food for thought: Mayweather FIGHTS for a living and is one of the most fundamentally solid fighter of recent generations.
Larry Merchant TALKS for a living and he can't even get his facts straight... So what of integrity? ^-^
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Re: Victor Ortiz vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Larry Merchant has never been wrong. Whats all this Merchant-bashing?
