I can't remember seeing a better fighter than prime Floyd Mayweather Jr
I know saying this will stir up the shit and I'll get a lot of "BUT HE DUCKED (INSERT FIGHTER HERE)" and "WHAT ABOUT RAY ROBINSON, ECT" but I have to be honest.
I realize that there's no footage of a lot of the greats, and we're missing footage of guys like Sugar Ray Robinson's prime years. I can only go by what's available, and I'm not going to rate a guy based on newspaper clippings.
Putting aside how stupid/obnoxious he is outside the ring and any percieved "duckings" he might have done, taking only in-ring ability and accomplishment, I say nobody in the history of boxing has done it better than Floyd at his best.
The combination of athleticism, ring generalship, boxing knowledge and technique that he had is unprecendented IMO. How he handled a world class guy like Corrales is just incredible.
Maybe someone can give me an example where someone showed better boxing prowless. I hate Mayweather personally but I think in the ring he was better than anyone.
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floyd very well could be the best, he looks pretty untouchable at the minute
and as sport progresses it is hard to see anyone in the past beating him, just as the manchester united of today would beat the best of the united teams of yesteryear the best boxers today would beat the best boxers of the past
A problem you will have in this thread is people look at the past with rose tinted glasses, try and tell anyone that any HW since Ali had a chance of beating him, yet there are several before who would have given him a fight :)
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^True. And I'm not even talking about Floyd now, I think he's been on the decline for the last few years.
But watching Floyd vs Corrales again, I forgot about all the little nuances that he had back then.
Recently I said I thought Broner had rougly the same skills that Floyd had at his age. BOY was I wrong on that one. Floyd was a ring genius by that age.
I can't get over the ring generalship Floyd had back then, it really is unbelievable. Utilizing the jab to the head and body, with the speed to land lead right hands and left hooks almost at will. Unreal. I've seen every SRR fight available to the public over the years and I've never seen anything like that.
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erics44
floyd very well could be the best, he looks pretty untouchable at the minute
and as sport progresses it is hard to see anyone in the past beating him, just as the manchester united of today would beat the best of the united teams of yesteryear the best boxers today would beat the best boxers of the past
A problem you will have in this thread is people look at the past with rose tinted glasses, try and tell anyone that any HW since Ali had a chance of beating him, yet there are several before who would have given him a fight :)
Its not hard to see at all and it does not mean I'm wearing rose coloured glasses.I'm not getting into another debate on the past vs the now as it goes nowhere. There is pro and con on both sides and you cant compare a team sport like soccer to an individual sport such as boxing. Floyd is w/o a doubt the best and most complete fighter of his generation.
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He's not the best fighter i've ever seen because i'm more influenced by people from when I was younger. However, I don't know of a single style in history that would have beat him. His mental strength, in the ring, is just as impressive as his awesome physical skill.
In virtually every fight he's in, there comes a point where his opponent might as well have "I can't do shit" tattooed on his nut.
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He's not the best fighter i've ever seen because i'm more influenced by people from when I was younger. However, I don't know of a single style in history that would have beat him. His mental strength, in the ring, is just as impressive as his awesome physical skill.
In virtually every fight he's in, there comes a point where his opponent might as well have "I can't do shit" tattooed on his nut.
No way, he has loopy referees for a start. Hatton at the time was the man and was on top until that mental obese intrusion. That was Hattons time, he was robbed.
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Well there was 5 posts before the nonsense started. About par for the course ratio
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erics44
floyd very well could be the best, he looks pretty untouchable at the minute
and as sport progresses it is hard to see anyone in the past beating him, just as the manchester united of today would beat the best of the united teams of yesteryear the best boxers today would beat the best boxers of the past
A problem you will have in this thread is people look at the past with rose tinted glasses, try and tell anyone that any HW since Ali had a chance of beating him, yet there are several before who would have given him a fight :)
Its not hard to see at all and it does not mean I'm wearing rose coloured glasses.I'm not getting into another debate on the past vs the now as it goes nowhere. There is pro and con on both sides and
you cant compare a team sport like soccer to an individual sport such as boxing. Floyd is w/o a doubt the best and most complete fighter of his generation.
whats soccer?
also boxing progresses more than team sports
the gulf in boxing would be more apparent because of the the emphasis on fitness in boxing and the advances in sports science (not to discount boxing technique advances)
Wladimir Klitchko would KO Ali within a few rounds, if ali was around today and had the benefit of the advances that today offers the fight would be different
so relatively to their generaltion floyd might not be that far ahead but if he was to actually share the ring with fighters of the past only as good / fit / athletic as they were in the past there would be little contest :)
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This was back when Floyd was a boxer/puncher, too, with like 18 KO's in 24 wins.
People dump on his punching power, but he could bang back at the lower weights. Even Duran never carried his hands of stone truely up in the higher weights.
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Well there was 5 posts before the nonsense started. About par for the course ratio
And Fenster must be sense? My post was perfect. We had an even fight until the stupid point deduction. It was stupid and clearly enough to upset anyone.
Don't be a prick, Fenster. Honesty should be respected and not insulted.
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Fenster
Well there was 5 posts before the nonsense started. About par for the course ratio
And Fenster must be sense? My post was perfect. We had an even fight until the stupid point deduction. It was stupid and clearly enough to upset anyone.
Don't be a prick, Fenster. Honesty should be respected and not insulted.
You can say whatever you like it means nothing to me. You don't know shit about boxing (That's a quote from your favourite fighter).
Beanflicker, the guy that made the thread, predicted in his first line it would quickly stir up shit, it took 5 posts. That's all i'm saying.
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IamInuit
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erics44
floyd very well could be the best, he looks pretty untouchable at the minute
and as sport progresses it is hard to see anyone in the past beating him, just as the manchester united of today would beat the best of the united teams of yesteryear the best boxers today would beat the best boxers of the past
A problem you will have in this thread is people look at the past with rose tinted glasses, try and tell anyone that any HW since Ali had a chance of beating him, yet there are several before who would have given him a fight :)
Its not hard to see at all and it does not mean I'm wearing rose coloured glasses.I'm not getting into another debate on the past vs the now as it goes nowhere. There is pro and con on both sides and
you cant compare a team sport like soccer to an individual sport such as boxing. Floyd is w/o a doubt the best and most complete fighter of his generation.
whats soccer?
also boxing progresses more than team sports
the gulf in boxing would be more apparent because of the the emphasis on fitness in boxing and the advances in sports science (not to discount boxing technique advances)
Wladimir Klitchko would KO Ali within a few rounds, if ali was around today and had the benefit of the advances that today offers the fight would be different
so relatively to their generaltion floyd might not be that far ahead but if he was to actually share the ring with fighters of the past only as good / fit / athletic as they were in the past there would be little contest :)
Oh yeah you guys call it football. Sorry about that eric.
"boxing progresses more then team sports" is a statement and not a fact. Boxers have been training in similar fashion for about a hundred years. Many boxers still use all kinds of old school methods as a major part of training. Which progresses more is certainly up for debate. With all of this improvement in science, nutrition and sports medicine, there sure seems to be a lot of fighters across the spectrum of weight that gas out.
That Wlad would ko Ali is just an opinion also and does not speak the the issue here. Nor is it evidence for your desired conclusion;) See now I think Wlad would resemble Carnera if he fought Ali.
I'm not sure Floyd beats any of the fab 4 from the eighties 5 if you add Benitez let alone everyone in history from 135 to 147. He's brilliant and in real time but that's a huge leap.
Peace
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Sugar Ray Leonard, back in his time, combined power, boxing skills, and ring generalship to the extent that it made him an ATG. He also had the "who's who" of boxing opponents that would rival any other fighter before or since. I guess if you were to draw a parallel with Floyd, you'd have to go back to SRL and let the comparisons begin.
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Oh yeah you guys call it football. Sorry about that eric.
"boxing progresses more then team sports" is a statement and not a fact. Boxers have been training in similar fashion for about a hundred years. Many boxers still use all kinds of old school methods as a major part of training. Which progresses more is certainly up for debate. With all of this improvement in science, nutrition and sports medicine, there sure seems to be a lot of fighters across the spectrum of weight that gas out.
That Wlad would ko Ali is just an opinion also and does not speak the the issue here. Nor is it evidence for your desired conclusion;) See now I think Wlad would resemble Carnera if he fought Ali.
I'm not sure Floyd beats any of the fab 4 from the eighties 5 if you add Benitez let alone everyone in history from 135 to 147. He's brilliant and in real time but that's a huge leap.
Peace
fighters at the top level "Gas Out" the same as they have always done but dont forget their opposition is also "relatively" fitter and stronger
the fab four is overrated because of the situation they were in, im not saying they werent deserved of their stature im just saying as there were 4 fighters with as big a following and interest around at the same time is why they are so fondly remembered
ill give you a shining example of how fighters can be remembered for more than they were - Eubank and Benn will always be remembered most fondly by the british public, a fantastic rivalry at world level, the best we have ever had, when in reality they may not have even been the best 2 SMW from britain at the time
and yep Wlad KOing Ali is an opinion
if Ali was around today and the klits werent, because of ali's personality and what he did outside the ring, in 40 years we would be talking about the golden era of heavyweights, remember them 3 fights between ali and adamek, then the ali v eddie chambers fight, imagine having so many great hws around all at the same time, Ali, Adamek, Chambers, Areolla, Haye, Tony Thompson :)
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Sugar Ray Leonard, back in his time, combined power, boxing skills, and ring generalship to the extent that it made him an ATG. He also had the "who's who" of boxing opponents that would rival any other fighter before or since. I guess if you were to draw a parallel with Floyd, you'd have to go back to SRL and let the comparisons begin.
SRL was a monster for sure and a good example of all of those, but I've just never seen the kind of skill and ring generalship from him that Floyd showed in fights like Corrales.
