Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

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02-04-2008, 09:13 PM
ICB

Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

I was just watching this one again from my Roy Jones Jr career set, and the fight was tougher than i remember, McCallum gave Roy all he could handle for the 1st 6 rounds, then Jones adjusted by circling in a different direction then he started to win the rounds more comfortably, but man McCallum is tough as hell and he gave Jones one of his toughest fights of Jones career in his prime. And McCallum was 39 as well, McCallum truly is an underrated great fighter.
02-04-2008, 09:20 PM
Deanrw

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Originally Posted by ICB

I was just watching this one again from my Roy Jones Jr career set, and the fight was tougher than i remember, McCallum gave Roy all he could handle for the 1st 6 rounds, then Jones adjusted by circling in a different direction then he started to win the rounds more comfortably, but man McCallum is tough as hell and he gave Jones one of his toughest fights of Jones career in his prime. And McCallum was 39 as well, McCallum truly is an underrated great fighter.

The Body Snatcher is one of my top 5 favorite fighters of all time. At 154, when he was in his prime, he was so methodical. His opponents would unravel from his offense. He would take whatever openings that were offered. His body attack was second to none. He looked so relaxed and calm, but was brutal under the surface.
02-04-2008, 09:25 PM
ICB

I actually always felt he would do well against the fab 4, i think Leonard would out point him, i think Duran losses a close decision, i think Hearns gets stopped in the late rounds under McCallum's brutal body punches, and i think Hagler out points him in a close fight. The rumor has it that some of the fab 4 ducked McCallum ?? im not so sure about that but McCallum is an excellent all rounder, one of my favorite McCallum fights is the one with Donald Curry that left hook was just a perfect shot great KO from McCallum, and also the way he took Michael Watson apart was superb to watch considering how good Watson was.
02-04-2008, 09:41 PM
Deanrw

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Originally Posted by ICB

I actually always felt he would do well against the fab 4, i think Leonard would out point him, i think Duran losses a close decision, i think Hearns gets stopped in the late rounds under McCallum's brutal body punches, and i think Hagler out points him in a close fight. The rumor has it that some of the fab 4 ducked McCallum ?? im not so sure about that but McCallum is an excellent all rounder, one of my favorite McCallum fights is the one with Donald Curry that left hook was just a perfect shot great KO from McCallum, and also the way he took Michael Watson apart was superb to watch considering how good Watson was.

I am not sure if they ducked him, but he was definitely high risk, low reward. He and Tommy were under the Kronk roof at the time so that fight would never have happened, but they did spar together.
02-04-2008, 10:05 PM
Master

My recollection of that fight was that Roy won with ease. Roy always respected and admired McCallum and it seemed to show in the fight. It seemed he took it easy on him and won because he was fresher and younger.

McCallum was class and you are right the way he took apart Watson's body in the first few rounds made Watson breath hard and surely made him think Benn was easy but this is world class.

McCallum was not renowned for his one punch KO power and that punch against Curry was a one off. Saw him bat terr Milton McCory which was brutal, solid chin and took the bombs of Julian Jackson and his body punching was sickening for the opponents that had to take them. Excellent jab, in fact excellent technical fighter, almost flawless.

People may disagree, especially from the US but I thought he won the first two fights with James Toney.
02-05-2008, 12:36 AM
ICB

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Originally Posted by Master

My recollection of that fight was that Roy won with ease. Roy always respected and admired McCallum and it seemed to show in the fight. It seemed he took it easy on him and won because he was fresher and younger.

McCallum was class and you are right the way he took apart Watson's body in the first few rounds made Watson breath hard and surely made him think Benn was easy but this is world class.

McCallum was not renowned for his one punch KO power and that punch against Curry was a one off. Saw him bat terr Milton McCory which was brutal, solid chin and took the bombs of Julian Jackson and his body punching was sickening for the opponents that had to take them. Excellent jab, in fact excellent technical fighter, almost flawless.

People may disagree, especially from the US but I thought he won the first two fights with James Toney.

I think you could be right there Roy Jones Jr did respect McCallum a lot. I think they both respected each other i remember McCallum saying that Jones was even better than the fab 4. Maybe Jones did carry McCallum a little bit ?? but i still think McCallum's style just troubled Jones although Jones won easy, he had a few problems early on until he adjusted round about the 7th round.
02-05-2008, 11:02 AM
Memphis

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

I remember the report on the fight in boxing monthly, titled 'Loved up'

Jones carried the bodysnatcher.

McCallums KO of Donald Curry was amazing, it was that good Lou Duva got a cut eye :D
02-05-2008, 01:25 PM
ICB

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I remember the report on the fight in boxing monthly, titled 'Loved up'

Jones carried the bodysnatcher.

McCallums KO of Donald Curry was amazing, it was that good Lou Duva got a cut eye :D

You think he could of stopped McCallum if he hadn't shown as much respect Memphis ??
02-05-2008, 02:56 PM
Memphis

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

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You think he could of stopped McCallum if he hadn't shown as much respect Memphis ??

Im sure he could have forced a stoppage had he wanted to, he had him over late didnt he? only ever seen it once.
02-05-2008, 03:19 PM
ICB

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Im sure he could have forced a stoppage had he wanted to, he had him over late didnt he? only ever seen it once.

Yea he dropped him right at the end of the round in the 10th round i think it was, he was also landing huge shots in the 12th, i think he just respected McCallum so he carried him, just like Sugar Ray Robinson did with Henry Armstrong.
02-05-2008, 03:28 PM
donnydarkoIRL

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

This may have been discussed already, but did anyone else think that McCallum looked very unconditioned in that fight, as if he was resigned to defeat so he didn't train his hardest?
02-05-2008, 03:40 PM
Memphis

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp55z0kzRNE

Play time for Jones jnr
02-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Memphis

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

Hey thats cool how the vids play now, very funky.
02-05-2008, 04:52 PM
Spicoli

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

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Im sure he could have forced a stoppage had he wanted to, he had him over late didnt he? only ever seen it once.

Jones said after "why take a crazy chance with someone I can outspeed and outbox"....Cant argue that.The boo's did not seem to bother him and once he dropped McCallum at end of round 10 he seemed to try for a KO In the last two rounds. The judging was crazy,they had 6 total Lol,3 from WBC & 3 from Flordia commission.
02-05-2008, 08:14 PM
Master

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

Mike McCallum best days were behind him, he retired after the next fight against Toney. He put on one last brilliant performance in beating Harding at light heavy, but that was not his best weight but he still performed outstandingly well.
02-06-2008, 12:12 AM
Mr140

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

I think he was going to get a shot at the top guys but he lost to Sumbu Kalambay that is what killed him was that lose and his big fights. Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran and Marvin Hagler would of been great fights for Mike McCallum i agree with Ice i think he losses to Leonard and Hagler but the others are a toss up.
02-06-2008, 04:49 AM
DaxxKahn

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

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Originally Posted by ICB

I was just watching this one again from my Roy Jones Jr career set, and the fight was tougher than i remember, McCallum gave Roy all he could handle for the 1st 6 rounds, then Jones adjusted by circling in a different direction then he started to win the rounds more comfortably, but man McCallum is tough as hell and he gave Jones one of his toughest fights of Jones career in his prime. And McCallum was 39 as well, McCallum truly is an underrated great fighter.

The body snatcher was a tough tough guy...In 50+ fights he was never Ko'd and only lost to the top guys...With the exception of Kalambay those losses also came past his best days...I was always a fan of McCallum...His 2 rds with Julian Jackson was a classic...Jackson was undefeated and the most feared puncher under 160 at the time...I think he had at the time they met a record of 29 or 30 and 0 with 27 or 28 kos under his belt and McCallum KO'd him in the second.....Mike was a very good fighter even in his later years only bested by the elite of the time
02-06-2008, 02:55 PM
DarkDestroyer

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

The Body Snatcher is part of my top 5
An excellent technican, solid puncher and very underrated
02-06-2008, 06:47 PM
Taeth

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

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Originally Posted by ICB

I was just watching this one again from my Roy Jones Jr career set, and the fight was tougher than i remember, McCallum gave Roy all he could handle for the 1st 6 rounds, then Jones adjusted by circling in a different direction then he started to win the rounds more comfortably, but man McCallum is tough as hell and he gave Jones one of his toughest fights of Jones career in his prime. And McCallum was 39 as well, McCallum truly is an underrated great fighter.

No way did McCallum push Jones at all... JOnes wasn't even going hard out of respect for Mike, and he still won virtually every round, McCallum didn't like anything except to the body, but those didn't compare to the quick counters of Jones.
02-06-2008, 08:23 PM
Master

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I think he was going to get a shot at the top guys but he lost to Sumbu Kalambay that is what killed him was that lose and his big fights. Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran and Marvin Hagler would of been great fights for Mike McCallum i agree with Ice i think he losses to Leonard and Hagler but the others are a toss up.

You are wrong again (like with Lewis beating Tyson). Hagler was retired by the time he lost to Kalambay, SRL was manufacturing big fights, Duran would not have come near him at Middleweight and Hearns was only interested in revenge against SRL. McCallum would have beaten them at that stage as they were passed their peak, only Hearns could have mounted a real challenge.
02-06-2008, 08:58 PM
ICB

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

No way did McCallum push Jones at all... JOnes wasn't even going hard out of respect for Mike, and he still won virtually every round, McCallum didn't like anything except to the body, but those didn't compare to the quick counters of Jones.

I didn't say he pushed him hard i said he gave Jones a competitive fight for the first 6 rounds, it was pretty close after 6 rounds and McCallum was landing a good jab to the body and landing some good shots when Jones was on the ropes, but once Jones circled in a different direction round about the 7th round it was all Jones, i do think Jones did carry McCallum somewhat because he respected McCallum a lot and vice a versa.
02-06-2008, 10:04 PM
Taeth

Re: Mike McCallum Gave Roy Jones Jr A Tougher Fight Than I Remember.

Even when Roy was one the ropes which he has always done a lot, McCallum landed body shots, but a lot of them were taken off Jones' elbows and McCallum just looked slow in that fight not that it isn't expected at 38-39, but I still believe that Roy didn't really leave first gear in the fight.

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