Calzaghe and Hopkins go at it about who's got the better resume

Funny stuff.

Personally, I think Hopkins has the much better resume...but Calzaghe didn't let down and fired back at him.

Check 'em out...

CALZAGHE: "YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ME TAME BIG-MOUTHED BERNARD HOPKINS!"

HOPKINS: "I'M GOING TO THROW PUNCHES IN BETWEEN HIS PUNCHES!"

I think Calzaghe is more in his prime but Hopkins has the better resume. Calzaghe just started fighting big time competition...he has dominated them but he hasn't really pushed himself to be tested until recently, it started vs Jeff Lacy

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Originally Posted by jaz_pagan

Funny stuff.

Personally, I think Hopkins has the much better resume...but Calzaghe didn't let down and fired back at him.

Check 'em out...

CALZAGHE: "YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ME TAME BIG-MOUTHED BERNARD HOPKINS!"

HOPKINS: "I'M GOING TO THROW PUNCHES IN BETWEEN HIS PUNCHES!"

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Thanks Jaz... Those were great! Oh, and welcome aboard!

I really like how Bhop explained how he is still able to fight at this level... How mileage comes from the abuse you take as a fighter... He has the genetics and lifestyle...

I like how he does not have this vision of himself being this superman but it is actually very realistic.

He said how he is not superfast but is not superslow. He is a fairly precise puncher and he puts just enough on them. I don't think he holds any falicies about his ability. I do think he is leary of Joe and well he should be... He's gonna have to throw alot of puches if he plans to throw in between Joes... ALOT.

I think this fight will be fun to watch and I think the boys are doing a good job selling it.

They've sold me!;D


I do love Joe but... C'mon... Who "great" has he fought... An aging Eubank? Stop it...

We have no trouble finding great fighters on Bernards resume.





Again though I pick Joe to take it but not by much... Split dec.

Hopkins is so full of shet. He made his name on much smaller guys and gets wayyy too much credit for what he's done. He says he's fought better guys but the only 2 really good middleweights he's fought, both beat him.

Joe on the other hand has beaten evryone thrown at him and is clearly a much better fighter than bernard. Hopkins would be nothing without fighting dirty and without those wins over two welters.

Calzaghe easy UD

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Thanks Jaz... Those were great! Oh, and welcome aboard!

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No problem...and thanks for the welcome.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Hopkins is so full of shet. He made his name on much smaller guys and gets wayyy too much credit for what he's done. He says he's fought better guys but the only 2 really good middleweights he's fought, both beat him.

Joe on the other hand has beaten evryone thrown at him and is clearly a much better fighter than bernard. Hopkins would be nothing without fighting dirty and without those wins over two welters.

Calzaghe easy UD

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So you think Calzaghe has the better resume then? Tell me how Joe has made his name... Eubank thats it. Like I said before... I love Joe but lets not get it twisted... Hopkins has fought the better opposition.

Joe just has the uncanny ability to fight better with the opposition put in front of him. I call Joe to win but please don't be fooled by what you have seen Joe do to so many. Hopkins is NOT Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika, Peter Manfredo or even a faded Eubank. He is one of the crftiest middleweights ever.

So Please, elaborate on Joe's stellar opposition that is better then the "welters" you speak of.:p

Till you decide to hang up the gloves it's all about who you beat....not who you've beaten. All this tit for tat stuff between the two is funny.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Hopkins is so full of shet. He made his name on much smaller guys and gets wayyy too much credit for what he's done. He says he's fought better guys but the only 2 really good middleweights he's fought, both beat him.

Joe on the other hand has beaten evryone thrown at him and is clearly a much better fighter than bernard. Hopkins would be nothing without fighting dirty and without those wins over two welters.

Calzaghe easy UD

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Please read my above post and also elaborate on how Joe is a much better fighter then Bernard. Why... Joe's flurys? I'm confused. I think you are too. If you think Joe will find Bernard an "Easy" foe...

great vids cheers bro, cant wait for this fight, and ts my first big fight in vegas.

forget names compare this

what fighter who turned up on that night has hopkins beat better than kessler...

don't compare a prime tito in terms of pound for pound what he was like at WW

The actual guy who turned up on the night to face hopkins, name one who posed a bigger threat, or who was more of a danger than kessler...

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Originally Posted by Preme

forget names compare this

what fighter who turned up on that night has hopkins beat better than kessler...

don't compare a prime tito in terms of pound for pound what he was like at WW

The actual guy who turned up on the night to face hopkins, name one who posed a bigger threat, or who was more of a danger than kessler...

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Point taken... I can't think of one that didn't beat Hopkins...

I think this fight will eb about as excting as the sakio bika fight, but easier than the Kessler fight for Joe.

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Originally Posted by ono

I think this fight will eb about as excting as the sakio bika fight, but easier than the Kessler fight for Joe.

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IMO the Bika fight was harder then the Kessler fight!

Calzaghe has beaten every fighter put in front of him , but to be fair apart from maybe 2 , my mother could have beaten them all.
Hopkins resume is beyond compare to JOKE CALZAGHE'S the WBO joke champion.
Mr i couldnt get the other champs to sign for a fight for 10 years , because of the cotton wool that Warren has wrapped around me .
So hey i ll change all that by waiting till Bernard Hopkins is 43 , that will make me an all time GREAT if i beat him !!!! ;D;D;D;D;D

Calzaghe is a fucking idiot if he's actually stupid enough to think his resume is better than Hopkins. I bet you even Calzaghe's dad would say Hopkins resume is better. Cuz it is

was that sly stallone at 2:10 in calzaghe's video

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Please read my above post and also elaborate on how Joe is a much better fighter then Bernard. Why... Joe's flurys? I'm confused. I think you are too. If you think Joe will find Bernard an "Easy" foe...

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Trust me man, I'm not confused and if I feel sorry for you if you're betting the other way because you're gonna lose.

Hopkins got a gift decision against Winky and he beat 2 welters to make a name for himself. Joe has beaten everyone in his division and very convincingly I might add. Without having to fight dirty. All skill and workrate. BTW, I'm talking about guys in his own weight class not blown up greats that had no business at the weight to begin with.

Again, hopkins fought two good middleweights during his run (Roy and Jermain) and they both beat him. He spent the reast of those years against the Robert Allens of the world. Lol....3 of his defences were against Allen

He's gonna get beat up that night man. Put your oney where your mouth is because I know the result.

There's going to be a 30 minute documentary on HBO about the two fighters. Not four but better than nothing.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I think Calzaghe is more in his prime but Hopkins has the better resume. Calzaghe just started fighting big time competition...he has dominated them but he hasn't really pushed himself to be tested until recently, it started vs Jeff Lacy

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Please Calzaghe fought better guys than Lacy before Lacy... I thought Lacy was good as well, but he is overhyped, he sits on his punches way too long and anybody good would beat him. Calzaghe IMO has foughten two solid fighters one was Eubanks and the other was Kessler, and though Kessler did a better job technically Calzaghe fought the fight he needed to in order to beat Kessler, he knew he would have to step up the pace because Kessler was too technically sound and he did.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Trust me man, I'm not confused and if I feel sorry for you if you're betting the other way because you're gonna lose.

Hopkins got a gift decision against Winky and he beat 2 welters to make a name for himself. Joe has beaten everyone in his division and very convincingly I might add. Without having to fight dirty. All skill and workrate. BTW, I'm talking about guys in his own weight class not blown up greats that had no business at the weight to begin with.

Again, hopkins fought two good middleweights during his run (Roy and Jermain) and they both beat him. He spent the reast of those years against the Robert Allens of the world. Lol....3 of his defences were against Allen

He's gonna get beat up that night man. Put your oney where your mouth is because I know the result.

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Oh please most of Calzaghe's best wins like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, were either shot or coming off bad losses. I love how people discredit Hopkins for beating Tito but forget Tito was the favorite and was one of the top 10 P4P fighters, remind me has Calzaghe ever beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ?? and shall we compare there best wins ??

Bernard Hopkins Best Wins

Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Tarver
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
Keith Holmes
Simon Brown
Antwun Echols x2
Winky Wright
William Joppy

Joe Calzaghe's Best Wins

Robin Reid
Richie Woodhall
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit x2
Sakio Bika
Chris Eubank

Now what resume looks better ??

Don't really know why Calzaghe would bother to argue their resumes... Hopkins has clearly fought much better guys overall.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Please Calzaghe fought better guys than Lacy before Lacy... I thought Lacy was good as well, but he is overhyped, he sits on his punches way too long and anybody good would beat him. Calzaghe IMO has foughten two solid fighters one was Eubanks and the other was Kessler, and though Kessler did a better job technically Calzaghe fought the fight he needed to in order to beat Kessler, he knew he would have to step up the pace because Kessler was too technically sound and he did.

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At 168 there really was no one for Calzaghe to fight before Lacy came along...sure he beat the Robin Reid's and Omar Sheika's but Jeff Lacy had some weight behind his name when he fought Joe.

Bernard Hopkins has fought high calibre fighters for a longer time but before Trinidad he had a tough time finding good competition himself.

I am not denying that Lacy had weight behind his name, but I think there guys like Bika who would have beaten Lacy's ass if they fought. Lacy has all the skills, but he doesn't have the determination or mindset... He has the physical tools to be great, but he doesn't use his boxing skills enough, and he has no defense. Lacy fights too much like post jailTyson and not enough like Holyfield for him to ever be as good as he could have been. There are other guys on Calzaghe's list with more adaptability, and that makes them better fighters IMO.

Hopkins by far and away has faced the higher calibur Competition on a consistant basis and compiled a better resume.A very good and or great fighter still brings to bear the skills and accomplishments that makes him a top tier guy.Lets not get carried away the weights .

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Originally Posted by ICB

Oh please most of Calzaghe's best wins like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, were either shot or coming off bad losses. I love how people discredit Hopkins for beating Tito but forget Tito was the favorite and was one of the top 10 P4P fighters, remind me has Calzaghe ever beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ?? and shall we compare there best wins ??

Bernard Hopkins Best Wins

Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Tarver
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
Keith Holmes
Simon Brown
Antwun Echols x2
Winky Wright
William Joppy

Joe Calzaghe's Best Wins

Robin Reid
Richie Woodhall
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit x2
Sakio Bika
Chris Eubank

Now what resume looks better ??

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Put your money where your mouth is. That's all I gotta say.

He did not beat Winky no matter what the score cards said. I'm taking any and all sig bets.

Let's go this is easy money.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Put your money where your mouth is. That's all I gotta say.

He did not beat Winky no matter what the score cards said. I'm taking any and all sig bets.

Let's go this is easy money.

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The thread u are currently in is about who currently has the better resume Hopkins or Calzaghe, not who is going to win the fight. There is a difference.
I think Hopkins has the better resume but think Calzaghe will pitty patter his way to a points victory.
So going on about how Calzaghe is going to win has stuff all to do with what evryone else is saying. Think about it.

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Originally Posted by jaz_pagan

Funny stuff.

Personally, I think Hopkins has the much better resume...but Calzaghe didn't let down and fired back at him.

Check 'em out...

CALZAGHE: "YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ME TAME BIG-MOUTHED BERNARD HOPKINS!"

HOPKINS: "I'M GOING TO THROW PUNCHES IN BETWEEN HIS PUNCHES!"

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Do we really need to discuss who has the better resume? :(

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Originally Posted by ICB

Oh please most of Calzaghe's best wins like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, were either shot or coming off bad losses. I love how people discredit Hopkins for beating Tito but forget Tito was the favorite and was one of the top 10 P4P fighters, remind me has Calzaghe ever beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ?? and shall we compare there best wins ??

Bernard Hopkins Best Wins

Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Tarver
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
Keith Holmes
Simon Brown
Antwun Echols x2
Winky Wright
William Joppy

Joe Calzaghe's Best Wins

Robin Reid
Richie Woodhall
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit x2
Sakio Bika
Chris Eubank

Now what resume looks better ??

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The resume LOOKS better for Hopkins, if he actually were a Light Middleweight or lower. What are these BAD losses you're talking about that Calzaghe's opponents had? Eubank very narrowly lost to Collins (and went on after Joe to brawl with one of the hardest hitting cruisers in history twice), Reid was hardly battered by Malinga, the Mitchell fight would have been an unifaction if he wasn't mugged in Germany by Ottke, if you actually watched the Woodhall-Beyer fight you'd see Richie only lost cause he got careless early and handed the other guy knockdowns, Beyer was hanging on by the end, these were hardly career destroying defeats. You rate Eastman as one of Hopkins' better opponents, yet he could barely hang with Ashira 12 months later, a guy (rightly) considered a joke opponent for Joe.

We could go on all day bashing each guy's record, it's rather pointless though, the fact remains that BOTH guys will be legends of the sport once they retire, and rightly so.

Hopkins has the better resume on paper, no doubting that.

Ice, you have to add Sheika to Calzaghe's list, he beat Johnson, that means he's better than Johnson, Calzaghe beat Sheika, that means he's better than Sheika, that means Calzaghe's win over Sheika is better than Hopkins win over Johnson.

It's the law.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Put your money where your mouth is. That's all I gotta say.

He did not beat Winky no matter what the score cards said. I'm taking any and all sig bets.

Let's go this is easy money.

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I never said Calzaghe wouldn't win i think he will win by close decision, thats got nothing to do with who has fought better opposition which Hopkins clearly has.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

The resume LOOKS better for Hopkins, if he actually were a Light Middleweight or lower. What are these BAD losses you're talking about that Calzaghe's opponents had? Eubank very narrowly lost to Collins (and went on after Joe to brawl with one of the hardest hitting cruisers in history twice), Reid was hardly battered by Malinga, the Mitchell fight would have been an unifaction if he wasn't mugged in Germany by Ottke, if you actually watched the Woodhall-Beyer fight you'd see Richie only lost cause he got careless early and handed the other guy knockdowns, Beyer was hanging on by the end, these were hardly career destroying defeats. You rate Eastman as one of Hopkins' better opponents, yet he could barely hang with Ashira 12 months later, a guy (rightly) considered a joke opponent for Joe.

We could go on all day bashing each guy's record, it's rather pointless though, the fact remains that BOTH guys will be legends of the sport once they retire, and rightly so.

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Ok here are the examples.

Robin Reid shortly before Calzaghe fight was outboxed by a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Richie Woodhall shortly before Calzaghe fight was dropped 3 times by Markus Beyer.

Charles Brewer shortly before Calzaghe was stopped in 3 by Antwun Echols.

Chris Eubank was a late replacement and only had a very short time to lose the weight and get in fighting shape, roughly about 1 week wasn't it ??

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Originally Posted by Lyle

At 168 there really was no one for Calzaghe to fight before Lacy came along...sure he beat the Robin Reid's and Omar Sheika's but Jeff Lacy had some weight behind his name when he fought Joe.

Bernard Hopkins has fought high calibre fighters for a longer time but before Trinidad he had a tough time finding good competition himself.

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Exactly, both careers seemed to kick on late. Can't fault either guy IMO on their careers.

Calzaghe got stick for a long time about his opposition, but he was ducking no one, Lacy Kessler and now Hopkins called him out and he's obliged them all. Same can be said of Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Ok here are the examples.

Robin Reid shortly before Calzaghe fight was outboxed by a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Richie Woodhall shortly before Calzaghe fight was dropped 3 times by Markus Beyer.

Charles Brewer shortly before Calzaghe was stopped in 3 by Antwun Echols.

Chris Eubank was a late replacement and only had a very short time to lose the weight and get in fighting shape, roughly about 1 week wasn't it ??

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Did you actually read my fucking post????????? you said the fighters were coming off from BAD defeats, I address those losses (I'll give you Brewer). And you come back with this.

The Woodhall fight is a solid example of how boxrec isn't the be all and all on how to judge someone's career, Woodhall fought back to make it damn close and finished the stronger, it was a fight crying out for a rematch, but as happens so often, Beyer took his belt to Germany and buried it in his grandma's backyard.

Hopkins' and Calzaghe's careers are actually very similar, they both dominated mediocre divisions before finally getting the opponents to test them late on.
Hopkins' may have the more famous names on his resume, but can you really say with a straight face that the likes of de la Hoya and Trinidad posed more of a threat to a top middleweight than the likes of Reid, Woodhall, Eubank, Michell did for a top SM?

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Did you actually read my fucking post????????? you said the fighters were coming off from BAD defeats, I address those losses (I'll give you Brewer). And you come back with this.

The Woodhall fight is a solid example of how boxrec isn't the be all and all on how to judge someone's career, Woodhall fought back to make it damn close and finished the stronger, it was a fight crying out for a rematch, but as happens so often, Beyer took his belt to Germany and buried it in his grandma's backyard.

Hopkins' and Calzaghe's careers are actually very similar, they both dominated mediocre divisions before finally getting the opponents to test them late on.
Hopkins' may have the more famous names on his resume, but can you really say with a straight face that the likes of de la Hoya and Trinidad posed more of a threat to a top middleweight than the likes of Reid, Woodhall, Eubank, Michell did for a top SM?

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Oh please Reid and Woodhall did have 1 fight after there bad losses, but they were gimme fights against journeyman fighters. They were still coming off bad losses unless you count Reid's win over 8-6 fighter or Woodhalls win over 29-9 fighter :rolleyes:

And i did see Woodhall vs Beyer and yes it was reasonably close, but the fact that Woodhall was dropped 3 times by a non puncher like Beyer spoke volumes that Woodhall was past his best and his punch resistance wasn't there anymore, and plus he didn't looked good at all, even Woodhall himself said he performed terrible.

And if you actually watched Reid vs Malinga you would know Reid looked terrible and it was embarrassing how he was easily outboxed by a 42 year old wasn't it ??

And yes i can say with a straight face that Tito at that time was a much bigger threat than Reid coming off losing to a grandad, or Woodhall coming off being dropped multiple times by a non puncher, or Eubank coming in as a late replacement, or Mitchell going life and death with Manny Siaca twice. Tito was a top 10 P4P fighter and if you actually look back without hindsight i think your find Tito was the big favorite, remind me was any of the Calzaghe opposition you mentioned favorites ??

One last thing i don't need boxrec because i have Calzaghe's career set, and i've seen pretty much all of his fights.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Ice, you have to add Sheika to Calzaghe's list, he beat Johnson, that means he's better than Johnson, Calzaghe beat Sheika, that means he's better than Sheika, that means Calzaghe's win over Sheika is better than Hopkins win over Johnson.

It's the law.

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Sarcasm Right ?? Thats logic,that does not apply in this great sport ;)

Really though, If I remember right that "Win" for Sheika was a hold up job.

hopkins resume is better

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Sarcasm Right ?? Thats logic,that does not apply in this great sport ;)

Really though, If I remember right that "Win" for Sheika was a hold up job.

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yeah just joking ;)


Although a shocking omission from Calzaghe's list was Pete Manfredo.

Hopkins has a better resume, but honestly, neither has as an impressive resume as many fans of either fighter would have you believe. IMHO, if Hopkins beats Calzaghe, it will be his crowning achievement. Same if Calzaghe beats Hopkins. You can make legit criticisms of both fighters' resumes, and you can nitpick depending on which one you support.

Anyway you slice it, Hopkins biggest wins did come against naturally much smaller men and Antonio Tarver coming off filming Rocky. The weights do matter a bit. But Hopkins 2nd tier of opponents, like Eastman, Joppy, Echols (better at MW), and Johnson are much better then the Mario Veits and Charles Brewers on Calzaghe's resume. On the other hand, if Hopkins had beaten Kessler, it would it go right near the top of his best wins.

Either way, both guys have fought more than their share of soft opponents.

Bernard's talk was really interesting, though. He said a lot of the things we all talked about a little while ago in a thread about Hopkins longevity. I guess people around here might know a thing or two about boxing :cool: