Calzaghe and Hopkins go at it about who's got the better resume

[Bx730NY]

Please read my above post and also elaborate on how Joe is a much better fighter then Bernard. Why... Joe's flurys? I'm confused. I think you are too. If you think Joe will find Bernard an "Easy" foe...

Trust me man, I'm not confused and if I feel sorry for you if you're betting the other way because you're gonna lose.

Hopkins got a gift decision against Winky and he beat 2 welters to make a name for himself. Joe has beaten everyone in his division and very convincingly I might add. Without having to fight dirty. All skill and workrate. BTW, I'm talking about guys in his own weight class not blown up greats that had no business at the weight to begin with.

Again, hopkins fought two good middleweights during his run (Roy and Jermain) and they both beat him. He spent the reast of those years against the Robert Allens of the world. Lol....3 of his defences were against Allen

He's gonna get beat up that night man. Put your oney where your mouth is because I know the result.

[ICB]

Trust me man, I'm not confused and if I feel sorry for you if you're betting the other way because you're gonna lose.

Hopkins got a gift decision against Winky and he beat 2 welters to make a name for himself. Joe has beaten everyone in his division and very convincingly I might add. Without having to fight dirty. All skill and workrate. BTW, I'm talking about guys in his own weight class not blown up greats that had no business at the weight to begin with.

Again, hopkins fought two good middleweights during his run (Roy and Jermain) and they both beat him. He spent the reast of those years against the Robert Allens of the world. Lol....3 of his defences were against Allen

He's gonna get beat up that night man. Put your oney where your mouth is because I know the result.

Oh please most of Calzaghe's best wins like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, were either shot or coming off bad losses. I love how people discredit Hopkins for beating Tito but forget Tito was the favorite and was one of the top 10 P4P fighters, remind me has Calzaghe ever beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ?? and shall we compare there best wins ??

Bernard Hopkins Best Wins

Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Tarver
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
Keith Holmes
Simon Brown
Antwun Echols x2
Winky Wright
William Joppy

Joe Calzaghe's Best Wins

Robin Reid
Richie Woodhall
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit x2
Sakio Bika
Chris Eubank

Now what resume looks better ??

[p4pking]

Don't really know why Calzaghe would bother to argue their resumes... Hopkins has clearly fought much better guys overall.

[Bx730NY]

Oh please most of Calzaghe's best wins like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, were either shot or coming off bad losses. I love how people discredit Hopkins for beating Tito but forget Tito was the favorite and was one of the top 10 P4P fighters, remind me has Calzaghe ever beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ?? and shall we compare there best wins ??

Bernard Hopkins Best Wins

Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Tarver
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
Keith Holmes
Simon Brown
Antwun Echols x2
Winky Wright
William Joppy

Joe Calzaghe's Best Wins

Robin Reid
Richie Woodhall
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit x2
Sakio Bika
Chris Eubank

Now what resume looks better ??

Put your money where your mouth is. That's all I gotta say.

He did not beat Winky no matter what the score cards said. I'm taking any and all sig bets.

Let's go this is easy money.

[eagle]

Put your money where your mouth is. That's all I gotta say.

He did not beat Winky no matter what the score cards said. I'm taking any and all sig bets.

Let's go this is easy money.

The thread u are currently in is about who currently has the better resume Hopkins or Calzaghe, not who is going to win the fight. There is a difference.
I think Hopkins has the better resume but think Calzaghe will pitty patter his way to a points victory.
So going on about how Calzaghe is going to win has stuff all to do with what evryone else is saying. Think about it.

[ICB]

Put your money where your mouth is. That's all I gotta say.

He did not beat Winky no matter what the score cards said. I'm taking any and all sig bets.

Let's go this is easy money.

I never said Calzaghe wouldn't win i think he will win by close decision, thats got nothing to do with who has fought better opposition which Hopkins clearly has.

[Bomp]

Oh please most of Calzaghe's best wins like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, were either shot or coming off bad losses. I love how people discredit Hopkins for beating Tito but forget Tito was the favorite and was one of the top 10 P4P fighters, remind me has Calzaghe ever beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ?? and shall we compare there best wins ??

Bernard Hopkins Best Wins

Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Tarver
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
Keith Holmes
Simon Brown
Antwun Echols x2
Winky Wright
William Joppy

Joe Calzaghe's Best Wins

Robin Reid
Richie Woodhall
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit x2
Sakio Bika
Chris Eubank

Now what resume looks better ??

The resume LOOKS better for Hopkins, if he actually were a Light Middleweight or lower. What are these BAD losses you're talking about that Calzaghe's opponents had? Eubank very narrowly lost to Collins (and went on after Joe to brawl with one of the hardest hitting cruisers in history twice), Reid was hardly battered by Malinga, the Mitchell fight would have been an unifaction if he wasn't mugged in Germany by Ottke, if you actually watched the Woodhall-Beyer fight you'd see Richie only lost cause he got careless early and handed the other guy knockdowns, Beyer was hanging on by the end, these were hardly career destroying defeats. You rate Eastman as one of Hopkins' better opponents, yet he could barely hang with Ashira 12 months later, a guy (rightly) considered a joke opponent for Joe.

We could go on all day bashing each guy's record, it's rather pointless though, the fact remains that BOTH guys will be legends of the sport once they retire, and rightly so.

[Memphis]

Hopkins has the better resume on paper, no doubting that.

[Fenster]

Ice, you have to add Sheika to Calzaghe's list, he beat Johnson, that means he's better than Johnson, Calzaghe beat Sheika, that means he's better than Sheika, that means Calzaghe's win over Sheika is better than Hopkins win over Johnson.

It's the law.

[Spicoli]

Ice, you have to add Sheika to Calzaghe's list, he beat Johnson, that means he's better than Johnson, Calzaghe beat Sheika, that means he's better than Sheika, that means Calzaghe's win over Sheika is better than Hopkins win over Johnson.

It's the law.

Sarcasm Right ?? Thats logic,that does not apply in this great sport

Really though, If I remember right that "Win" for Sheika was a hold up job.

[Fenster]

Sarcasm Right ?? Thats logic,that does not apply in this great sport

Really though, If I remember right that "Win" for Sheika was a hold up job.

yeah just joking


Although a shocking omission from Calzaghe's list was Pete Manfredo.

[ICB]

The resume LOOKS better for Hopkins, if he actually were a Light Middleweight or lower. What are these BAD losses you're talking about that Calzaghe's opponents had? Eubank very narrowly lost to Collins (and went on after Joe to brawl with one of the hardest hitting cruisers in history twice), Reid was hardly battered by Malinga, the Mitchell fight would have been an unifaction if he wasn't mugged in Germany by Ottke, if you actually watched the Woodhall-Beyer fight you'd see Richie only lost cause he got careless early and handed the other guy knockdowns, Beyer was hanging on by the end, these were hardly career destroying defeats. You rate Eastman as one of Hopkins' better opponents, yet he could barely hang with Ashira 12 months later, a guy (rightly) considered a joke opponent for Joe.

We could go on all day bashing each guy's record, it's rather pointless though, the fact remains that BOTH guys will be legends of the sport once they retire, and rightly so.

Ok here are the examples.

Robin Reid shortly before Calzaghe fight was outboxed by a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Richie Woodhall shortly before Calzaghe fight was dropped 3 times by Markus Beyer.

Charles Brewer shortly before Calzaghe was stopped in 3 by Antwun Echols.

Chris Eubank was a late replacement and only had a very short time to lose the weight and get in fighting shape, roughly about 1 week wasn't it ??

[Bomp]

Ok here are the examples.

Robin Reid shortly before Calzaghe fight was outboxed by a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Richie Woodhall shortly before Calzaghe fight was dropped 3 times by Markus Beyer.

Charles Brewer shortly before Calzaghe was stopped in 3 by Antwun Echols.

Chris Eubank was a late replacement and only had a very short time to lose the weight and get in fighting shape, roughly about 1 week wasn't it ??

Did you actually read my fucking post you said the fighters were coming off from BAD defeats, I address those losses (I'll give you Brewer). And you come back with this.

The Woodhall fight is a solid example of how boxrec isn't the be all and all on how to judge someone's career, Woodhall fought back to make it damn close and finished the stronger, it was a fight crying out for a rematch, but as happens so often, Beyer took his belt to Germany and buried it in his grandma's backyard.

Hopkins' and Calzaghe's careers are actually very similar, they both dominated mediocre divisions before finally getting the opponents to test them late on.
Hopkins' may have the more famous names on his resume, but can you really say with a straight face that the likes of de la Hoya and Trinidad posed more of a threat to a top middleweight than the likes of Reid, Woodhall, Eubank, Michell did for a top SM?

[ICB]

Did you actually read my fucking post you said the fighters were coming off from BAD defeats, I address those losses (I'll give you Brewer). And you come back with this.

The Woodhall fight is a solid example of how boxrec isn't the be all and all on how to judge someone's career, Woodhall fought back to make it damn close and finished the stronger, it was a fight crying out for a rematch, but as happens so often, Beyer took his belt to Germany and buried it in his grandma's backyard.

Hopkins' and Calzaghe's careers are actually very similar, they both dominated mediocre divisions before finally getting the opponents to test them late on.
Hopkins' may have the more famous names on his resume, but can you really say with a straight face that the likes of de la Hoya and Trinidad posed more of a threat to a top middleweight than the likes of Reid, Woodhall, Eubank, Michell did for a top SM?

Oh please Reid and Woodhall did have 1 fight after there bad losses, but they were gimme fights against journeyman fighters. They were still coming off bad losses unless you count Reid's win over 8-6 fighter or Woodhalls win over 29-9 fighter

And i did see Woodhall vs Beyer and yes it was reasonably close, but the fact that Woodhall was dropped 3 times by a non puncher like Beyer spoke volumes that Woodhall was past his best and his punch resistance wasn't there anymore, and plus he didn't looked good at all, even Woodhall himself said he performed terrible.

And if you actually watched Reid vs Malinga you would know Reid looked terrible and it was embarrassing how he was easily outboxed by a 42 year old wasn't it ??

And yes i can say with a straight face that Tito at that time was a much bigger threat than Reid coming off losing to a grandad, or Woodhall coming off being dropped multiple times by a non puncher, or Eubank coming in as a late replacement, or Mitchell going life and death with Manny Siaca twice. Tito was a top 10 P4P fighter and if you actually look back without hindsight i think your find Tito was the big favorite, remind me was any of the Calzaghe opposition you mentioned favorites ??

One last thing i don't need boxrec because i have Calzaghe's career set, and i've seen pretty much all of his fights.

[Bomp]

Oh please Reid and Woodhall did have 1 fight after there bad losses, but they were gimme fights against journeyman fighters. They were still coming off bad losses unless you count Reid's win over 8-6 fighter or Woodhalls win over 29-9 fighter

And i did see Woodhall vs Beyer and yes it was reasonably close, but the fact that Woodhall was dropped 3 times by a non puncher like Beyer spoke volumes that Woodhall was past his best and his punch resistance wasn't there anymore, and plus he didn't looked good at all, even Woodhall himself said he performed terrible.

And if you actually watched Reid vs Malinga you would know Reid looked terrible and it was embarrassing how he was easily outboxed by a 42 year old wasn't it ??

And yes i can say with a straight face that Tito at that time was a much bigger threat than Reid coming off losing to a grandad, or Woodhall coming off being dropped multiple times by a non puncher, or Eubank coming in as a late replacement, or Mitchell going life and death with Manny Siaca twice. Tito was a top 10 P4P fighter and if you actually look back without hindsight i think your find Tito was the big favorite, remind me was any of the Calzaghe opposition you mentioned favorites ??

One last thing i don't need boxrec because i have Calzaghe's career set, and i've seen pretty much all of his fights.

That's the point I'm Making, they weren't BAD CAREER ENDING LOSSES, Woodhall said he performed badly yet still pushed a future long reigning champion all the way. Calzaghe was taking these fights against Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell who were coming off close decision losses or robberies at world title level, they were all high risk fights considering how little he was payed compared to the much lower risk de la Hoya fight for Hopkins.

Tito was favourite due to fan ignorance, just as Lacy was. The warning signs were there, Trinidad dropped by welterweights and Lacy 1 dimensional, yet the majority (me included) sub concsiously ignored this due to their exciting fights. Anyway the 'favourite' discussion is irrelevant, it all depends on perception of the fans at the time of the fights, while Trinidad may have seemed risky to the fans, Hopkins and his camp didn't see it that way.

Anyway, I'm leaving this discussion now, I'm a big fan of both fighters and I see no point in disparaging their resumes, you can pick holes in every single resume in history if you choose to.