He will get ktfo when he fights Klitschko,Valuev, Chagaev. Even Thompson,Povetkin and Ruiz would knock this guy out. I hate it when he screams Who's Next......He is an A s s Clown
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He will get ktfo when he fights Klitschko,Valuev, Chagaev. Even Thompson,Povetkin and Ruiz would knock this guy out. I hate it when he screams Who's Next......He is an A s s Clown
while I disagree to the extent of his over-rated status, he is def. over-rated.
He can beat all the guys above except the Klitschko's.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
He's definately over-rated, but why would you think Wlad would knock him out this time around? I know he had Peter doing the Zab dance the first time, but Peter is a much improved fighter since their fight. I could see a very cautious Wlad jabbing his way to a UD, but if he was scared to open up against Sultan I doubt he's going to against Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
Peter would murder most of the guys you mentioned. I'd be amazed if Ruiz made it to the 3rd or 4th round against Peter.
Really, I beg the differ. Peter is no longer the go for broke fighter landing power shot after power shot, He is afraid of mixing it up and has a suspect beard. Just my opinion though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
peter is not over rated at all.
his beard is not suspect, yes he went down a few times against mccline but he was hammered a lot more by wlady but never went down. He was just caught better by mccline but not harder, so what he went down. others would of been out but peter still won a clear u.d.
he could beat any heavyweight out there, its not like we have great heavyweight. I don't think its even possilbe to over rate a heavyweight at the state the division is in :rolleyes:
That's a good point. Aside from Wlad, who isn't by any stretch an ATG, the division is in a pretty sad state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
OK from the get go I have not really respected Sam Peter's power or the methods he uses to deliver it. I think he throws wide looping punches and any good boxer would pick him apart.
I think it would be AWESOME if there was a rematch between Wladimir and Sam Peter....it would be a slaughter....Wlad has tightened up his defense and his boxing is heads and shoulders above everyone else, there would be a KO for Wladimir this time around.
Sam Peter is just a limited puncher and hell I think John Ruiz would beat the crap out of him just because of the style matchup and Ruiz has gone back to doing what he used to do....he's good at it and Peter would be humiliated and frustrated.
If by Wlad's defense tightening up you mean being absolutely terrified to throw right hands or engage anyone, I agree, his defense has tightened up. Wlad will KO Peter? Gimme a break. Wlad will take his 12 round unanimous decision and be happy with it.
First off Wladimir has gone the distance with 6 fighters........6. The way posters like you talk about him it seems like he's the heavyweight Willie Pep and that is unfair.
Wlad was not afraid to throw vs Peter he landed numerous HUGE shots on Sam's forehead and I think a rematch would mean more of the same.....disagree if you will but I think Wlad rocking Sam Peter from 1-12 means the rematch will be shorter...had Wlad had a little more time in the final round there would have been a KO in that fight.
Wlad had very few punches land on him in his last fight too, mainly because he's fighting tall and blocking better
Wlad didn't throw the right cross vs Sultan Ibragimov because he was a southpaw who had very fast hands and threw shorter sharper punches....yeah that was a lack luster fight but when you have fought 53 times you're bound to have A lack luster fight.....how was Sam Peter vs Jameel McCline then? Maybe we should only judge him on that.....OR maybe we should only judge him on the fact he wasn't able to really KO Oleg Maskaev......OLEG MASKAEV!!!!
Sam Peter hurt Maskaev but couldn't KO him or even put him on the canvas!!! Oleg Maskaev an OLDER FATTER Oleg Maskaev who got demolished by the likes of Lance Whittaker, Corey 'T-Rex' Sanders, and Kirk Johnson!!!! Sam Peter's performance was less spectacular than Wladimir's fight vs Sultan.
Peter is a limited fighter but in the current crop of heavies he fits in well! I think against any of the top 10 guys he could lose on their day... but he could also KO anyone of them! They are all very mediocre IMO
Couldn't KO Maskaev? Perhaps someone should sit you down and explain the rules of boxing to you, as you're clearly lost dude.
....it's true for a lot of guys not named KlitschkoQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Yeah but I'd rather watch paint dry than watch Klitschko fight. Lets not forget that Wlad has been stopped before, I know he has improved a heap since then but the facts are the facts. His a** was knocked silly twice! In a rematch with Peter I think it could be a bombs away fight from both guys (wishful thinking) & Peter has the power to stop Wlad. I don't think he will but thats the fight I wanna see next...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Well you just wait for someone to come beat Wladimir....and I'll enjoy my fighter's time at the top of the division.
He fights to his strength...everyone knows his weaknesses and yet not a lot of people can beat him
I rate Wlad the #1 in the division but it's not saying much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
There was nothing enjoyable about Wlads last fight!
This is boxing remember where anything can happen!
....So his last fight wasn't fun to watch....it's not 100% Wlad's fault....50%-75% I agree but the guy won in the way the other fighter gave him the opportunity to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
If taking wild risks always won people fights then Oliver McCall on a crack binge would be the heavyweight champ!
A wins a win I guess. But I'd rather watch a fighter like R. Marquez lose than watch Wlad win in that fashionQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Well then go watch Marquez lose then....who's stopping you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You have to acknowledge that he knocked Klitschko down 3 times. So obviously Klitschko isn't untouchable. I don't think Peter wins a rematch but you're off if you think that Peter has no shot. He knocked him down 3 times.
I've seen Wladimir improve more so than Sam Peter and that is why I say Sam has less of a shot to beat him in a rematch. Sure Sam Peter has some kind of chance but it's not a big one....Peter barely won the rounds that he had Wladimir down.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
As a matter of fact I'm rewatching Vasquez/ Marquez 3 right now, what a fight!!!. Wlad should take some lessons from these guys as how to be a real fighter!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Since this post is not supposed to be about Wlad I'll just make one comment on him...Nobody likes to watch a champion fight scared and after a few more stinkers like his last fight Wlad will be thought of as the best of a terrible divison, nothing more...
In the case of Peter , yes he is overrated and gives hope to Ruiz, Tua (wherever he is), Holyfield and any other fighter currently in mothballs...The division is in a horrible state...
Such a boring fighter, like a bigger slower Ponce de Leon, like Nascar/Professional bowling/WNBA/Dog shows boring.
Seriously is there a competition going on for who can be the most boring heavyweight, just dreadful
....he's only been the distance 6 times and one of those fights was with Sam Peter which was an OK fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Promoter
Give it a fucking rest on the Ibragimov fight, Jesus I have never known people to bitch so fucking much about one fight.
It's not only about the Ibragimov fight, just one look at Wlads resume and you can easily define his place in history so far. Against a very limited Peter Wlad was knocked down 3 times!?!?! If you look at his resume the only real champion he fought was Chris Byrd. The competition has been no fault of Wlads, its just what's out there...But against what Wlad has faced he should look a lot better considering his physical gifts. He is just getting by what 15 years ago where "B" level fighters. Honestly how do you think Wlad would do against a prime LL or Riddick Bowe based upon what he has shown so far?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He was cautious against Peter, he did land some good shots but for most of the fight he was cautious. And plus lets not forget Wladimir hugged onto Peter like an octopus, see for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0sFZWczB9c
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Originally Posted by Galaxy
you don't get it man, wlady had one bad showing due to a southpaw infront of him and as smart as wlady is all he had to do was do what he did that night to easily win a u.d. fighters like rafa and isreal had to complicate the way they win because their machoness get in the way. Im not complaining though, i love isrea and rafa im just saying wlady is a different fighter. he doesn't let his pride make an easy fight to a difficult one.
David Haye will and I'm convinced of that!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Sam's a poor technical boxer, very poor in fact. He is physically very strong and has decent power, but it would be an inclination of how low the division has actually got if he were to become the undisputed champ, as opposed to an inclination of how good he is.
Sam Peter is arguably the 2nd best active heavyweight in the division. Say what you want, he just knocked out a title holder, though. He would be overrated if the weight class were chock-full of elite talent, which it is not right not and even then perhaps. We don't know whether or not Peter would have risen to the occasion and improved greatly. He certainly improved against Toney, he very well could have if there were 5 or more elite-level heavies jockeying for a belt. To say that Peter is overrated is to say there's a line of people behind him who should be in front of him. Which of these alleged people have beaten him or carved out a better resume? Vitali Klitschko is broken down and trying to rebuild himself for a title bout after several years in retirement. Nikolai Valuev lost after taking the path of least resistance to a title and then getting outpointed by Chagaev. Chagaev himself is still unproven and so far as any of us can tell, ran away from a bout with Sultan Ibragimov. Ibragimov just lost his belt. You're on crack if you think Alexander Povetkin stands a chance. That guy was on steam midway through his fight with pillow-fisted Eddie Chambers. Tony Thompson- another guy who's in the middle of nowhere and 35 years old, no less and if you expect us to take you seriously then you'd better tell us you're kidding about John "David-Tua-lopped-my-head-off-and-James-Toney-made-me-his-bitch" Ruiz. You try to bear hug a bear you'll get raped and eaten by said bear.
Sam Peter may be over rated, but he's still the heavyweight fighter most deserving at a shot at the recognised unified champ.
Additionally, he's got a strap, so I'd be more than willing to sit through twelve rounds of these two going at it to be rewarded withan Undisputed world champion.
I agree with you guys, he's earned his shot at Wlad, and he isn't to blame for the lack of talent in the division at the moment, he also seems to be willing to actually fight quite frequently which is also a reason to like him. Still, I just don't like him.
Prepare yourself to feel large amounts of humiliation.....oh wait, you're an Everton fan, you're already ready for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
It had to be said ;D