What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

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03-19-2008, 05:03 PM
Bx730NY

What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Boxing News : Ring Awards Pacquiao, But Says Marquez Won

Can you believe this crap? It was close fight and the judges saw it the way they saw it. We all have to live with that now. It's not like the last Casamayor fight where it was total washout. It was an incredibly competitive fight.

Conflict of interest in it's purest form.

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.
03-19-2008, 05:05 PM
donnydarkoIRL

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Not surprising really.

The judges decision is final
03-19-2008, 05:09 PM
match

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Don't really see what the uproar is here, considering the majority of people saw Manny lose that fight.
03-19-2008, 05:20 PM
CutMeMick

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

You realizes they gave the belt to Pac right?
I could see if they would have NOT given the belt to Pac then I can see the issue or why you would feel that this is hurting the sport.

The result has been given and that can't be changed, Pac is the Ring Champ. that's all that matters.
03-19-2008, 05:24 PM
Macho

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Boxing News : Ring Awards Pacquiao, But Says Marquez Won

Can you believe this crap? It was close fight and the judges saw it the way they saw it. We all have to live with that now. It's not like the last Casamayor fight where it was total washout. It was an incredibly competitive fight.

Conflict of interest in it's purest form.

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

:-\ Is true BX703NY, the most important thing in sport is CREDIBILITY , but do you think Pacquiao going take that offer of $6 Millions........;)
03-19-2008, 05:53 PM
Deanrw

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Boxing News : Ring Awards Pacquiao, But Says Marquez Won

Can you believe this crap? It was close fight and the judges saw it the way they saw it. We all have to live with that now. It's not like the last Casamayor fight where it was total washout. It was an incredibly competitive fight.

Conflict of interest in it's purest form.

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

Yeah is they want the Ring Championship Status to have any merit at all, they need to respect the judges that made the decision. If they try to influence us with their own goals, they will fail.
03-19-2008, 06:16 PM
Lance Uppercut

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

This thread is a A Crock Of Crap

The article only notes that a couple of journalist who work for The Ring scored the fight for JMM. (Big Deal)

Your thread implies that The Ring is taking an official position or something.

You will see 100% more integrity in The Ring then in all of the alphabet Gangs put together.
03-19-2008, 06:59 PM
Lance Uppercut

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fl!p Flash

I find it quite unprofessional for the Ring magazine to award Manny the belt after a tough battle with marquez then go and say that Marquez should had won it.

THIS Did not happen. The article and thread are completely misleading.
03-19-2008, 07:27 PM
Lance Uppercut

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fl!p Flash

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

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Originally Posted by Fl!p Flash

I find it quite unprofessional for the Ring magazine to award Manny the belt after a tough battle with marquez then go and say that Marquez should had won it.

THIS Did not happen. The article and thread are completely misleading.

But it did from the article that I've read... Michael Marley�s Boxing Confidential � News, Analysis, and Commentary . I think Ring Mag has lessened their credibilities.

Just because Writers from The Ring scored the fight for JMM doesn't have any effect on the credibility of the Magazine.

Should all the journalist who worked for the Ring scored the fight for Manny because he won? No. they are independent writers, who scored the fight like they saw. It has nothing to do with the magizines credibility.
03-19-2008, 07:40 PM
Chino

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fl!p Flash

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Boxing News : Ring Awards Pacquiao, But Says Marquez Won

Can you believe this crap? It was close fight and the judges saw it the way they saw it. We all have to live with that now. It's not like the last Casamayor fight where it was total washout. It was an incredibly competitive fight.

Conflict of interest in it's purest form.

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

Yeah.

ODLH IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RING.:mad: That makes a lot sense.

Let's not forget that lots of other boxing commentatirs/critics, fans, etc. Agree that the fight should have gone the other way around. It's not just ODLH.
03-19-2008, 08:05 PM
Fenster

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Rearrange these words - Mountain. of. a. out. molehill.
03-19-2008, 08:15 PM
Violent Demise

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Boxing News : Ring Awards Pacquiao, But Says Marquez Won

Can you believe this crap? It was close fight and the judges saw it the way they saw it. We all have to live with that now. It's not like the last Casamayor fight where it was total washout. It was an incredibly competitive fight.

Conflict of interest in it's purest form.

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

They gave Pacquiao the belt. What the fuck are you complaining about?
03-19-2008, 10:57 PM
Bx730NY

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

You realizes they gave the belt to Pac right?
I could see if they would have NOT given the belt to Pac then I can see the issue or why you would feel that this is hurting the sport.

The result has been given and that can't be changed, Pac is the Ring Champ. that's all that matters.

No, actually it's not all that matters.

They handed him the belt but took away the credit. So how is that a good thing? It's a tough fight to score and people have different views on the scoring. The only scores that matter are the judges.

Again, it's not like Marquez completely dominated or Pac was not in the fight like Casamayor was thoroughly dominated in his last fight. Which is the reason for VD's appearance on the thread to disagree.

It was a great close fight and the judges picked Pac so golden boy.......errr, ring mag has to suck it up and not try to downplay Pacs accomplishment.
03-19-2008, 11:02 PM
Fenster

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

You realizes they gave the belt to Pac right?
I could see if they would have NOT given the belt to Pac then I can see the issue or why you would feel that this is hurting the sport.

The result has been given and that can't be changed, Pac is the Ring Champ. that's all that matters.

No, actually it's not all that matters.

They handed him the belt but took away the credit. So how is that a good thing? It's a tough fight to score and people have different views on the scoring. The only scores that matter are the judges.

Again, it's not like Marquez completely dominated or Pac was not in the fight like Casamayor was thoroughly dominated in his last fight. Which is the reason for VD's appearance on the thread to disagree.

It was a great close fight and the judges picked Pac so golden boy.......errr, ring mag has to suck it up and not try to downplay Pacs accomplishment.

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

:confused:
03-20-2008, 12:31 AM
Bx730NY

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

You realizes they gave the belt to Pac right?
I could see if they would have NOT given the belt to Pac then I can see the issue or why you would feel that this is hurting the sport.

The result has been given and that can't be changed, Pac is the Ring Champ. that's all that matters.

No, actually it's not all that matters.

They handed him the belt but took away the credit. So how is that a good thing? It's a tough fight to score and people have different views on the scoring. The only scores that matter are the judges.

Again, it's not like Marquez completely dominated or Pac was not in the fight like Casamayor was thoroughly dominated in his last fight. Which is the reason for VD's appearance on the thread to disagree.

It was a great close fight and the judges picked Pac so golden boy.......errr, ring mag has to suck it up and not try to downplay Pacs accomplishment.

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

:confused:

They don't have to lie about anything. Just hand over the belt with their mouths closed.
03-20-2008, 12:54 AM
noskill

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Ring didn't state anything slanderous or shocking. Alot of people had JMM winning and alot had Paaquiao winning. It was a close fight. I personally scored 113-115 Pacman. 6 rounds to 5 with one even and a 10-8 for the KD. I couldnt logically argue against a draw or a win for Marquez. The fight was just that good and close.
If we weren't allowed to mildly question a close SD win,then we would have squat to talk about on these boards.
03-20-2008, 05:28 AM
Galaxy

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This thread is a crock of crap!!!

Why shouldn't writers say who they felt won the fight? They're boxing journalists reporting on what they saw. They said the same thing about Casamayor's decision over Santa Cruz. I didn't see you sticking up for Casamayor & saying Ring mag should just hand over the belt with their mouths closed. You saw the Casamayor/ Santa Cruz fight & disagreed with the decision, I saw the Pacquiao/ Marquez fight & disagreed with the decision as did many, many others. Why are you criticizing writers from the Ring for saying what they think?

This thread is absolutely ridiculous!!!
03-20-2008, 06:20 AM
Kev

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

No, actually it's not all that matters.

They handed him the belt but took away the credit. So how is that a good thing? It's a tough fight to score and people have different views on the scoring. The only scores that matter are the judges.

Again, it's not like Marquez completely dominated or Pac was not in the fight like Casamayor was thoroughly dominated in his last fight. Which is the reason for VD's appearance on the thread to disagree.

It was a great close fight and the judges picked Pac so golden boy.......errr, ring mag has to suck it up and not try to downplay Pacs accomplishment.

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

:confused:

They don't have to lie about anything. Just hand over the belt with their mouths closed.

This actually strikes at a deeper question that I have raised before. The Ring ISNT an official governing body and they DON'T have any official belt sanctioning abilities.

They are a magazine. As a magazine it is entirely right and proper that they comment on all the big fights, that is what a magazine's role is.

Can you imagine Shoot, the popular uk soccer mag not providing assessment of matches for fear of being labelled biased, it's just absurd, that is the very job of a magazine!

So there is nothing wrong in The Ring making judgements on who they thought won the fight, that is their role.......as a magazine.

However, if you take issue, as I do to an extent, of a magazine holding more sway in the minds of the hardcore fans than the sanctioning bodies then that is another argument entirely.

I have raised this many times. The idea that a magazine's rankings can take precedent over the actual official rankings is something entirely peculiar to boxing.

No other sport operates in this way.I believe that in allowing the Ring to operate in a such a way devalues the actual belts that are in place.

When Greece stunned the whole of Europe by winning the European cup (soccer) a few years back people were amazed, but noone questioned the result. That was it, they won they were champions.

In boxing however it's another thing entirely. As I highlighted the other day Ricardo Torres despite being a legitimate belt holder is ranked only 9th (actually 10th as the champ is 0) in the junior welterweight division by the Ring Magazine.

This creates a strange double standard. Although he is a genuine world title belt holder, the fans and writers alike don't recognise that and rate him lower than people such as D Hop who has never even fought for a world title :confused:

Those are the cases I think the Ring serves to undermine boxing because they are unintentionally taking away from the credibility of the sanctioning bodies.
03-20-2008, 08:05 AM
ArawakWarria

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Let me get this straight;

Them giving the belt to the winner is controversial, but

Them owning the magazine that gives out the ratings is not???

Things are getting drastic...
03-20-2008, 04:18 PM
Julius Rain

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

This is just build up for a third fight. Ofcourse their going to credit the loser more (JMM) just so the third fight loses no interest and continue to gain every side. The loser side being eager to prove his still better even though his always coming up short and the winner being fed up and will be blazing once again.

Pac is the Ring Champ, JMM's belt didn't really matter in that fight it was the vacant Ring title that mattered most. Pac has it now and he should of had it a long time ago. His been the man to beat and he damn well deserves it. JMM always comes up short, and he and his fans should be thankful the win is controversial. So he deserves another shot at pac. JMM is also lucky to have won the Mab fight and the judge mis scoring the first fight with pac. If not he would of lose two in a row 4 years ago then may have lost to mab also if the knock down was scored correctly.

The Ring is co-owned by Goldenboy so these statements from these guys don't really means shyt but dollars. Ofcourse their going to say the goldenboy fighter won. IF they really think so though they would of taken the belt from pac, but they just a bunch of puppets.
03-20-2008, 05:19 PM
DaxxKahn

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Boxing News : Ring Awards Pacquiao, But Says Marquez Won

Can you believe this crap? It was close fight and the judges saw it the way they saw it. We all have to live with that now. It's not like the last Casamayor fight where it was total washout. It was an incredibly competitive fight.

Conflict of interest in it's purest form.

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

Said it before and will again....GBP will hurt this sport more then help it before all is through
03-20-2008, 06:28 PM
Lance Uppercut

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Golden boy will save boxing. The Ring(the oldest and most sacred institution in boxing) was fledgling, and Goldenboy saved it, and will now start promoting the the championship policy which will eventually destroy the cancerous alphabet gangs, and take boxing back to the day where you had to beat the champ to become that champ.

Also, if you read Dan Rafael's recent blog, Golden Boy will soon start airing fights on free network TV.
03-20-2008, 07:35 PM
donnydarkoIRL

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Should Golden boy indeed start airing fights free my attitude will change toward them
03-20-2008, 07:42 PM
Chino

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Golden boy will save boxing. The Ring(the oldest and most sacred institution in boxing) was fledgling, and Goldenboy saved it, and will now start promoting the the championship policy which will eventually destroy the cancerous alphabet gangs, and take boxing back to the day where you had to beat the champ to become that champ.
Also, if you read Dan Rafael's recent blog, Golden Boy will soon start airing fights on free network TV.

And still, you'll have people crying about it just because it is ODLH behind it:rolleyes:. If it was someone else then it would be highly praised. It's just the way it is, seems like many people hate ODLH to the gut forgetting the great fights he gave us, his talent, etc.
03-20-2008, 07:57 PM
SweetPea

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

I don't see what the problem is here.

The Ring recognizes and abides by judging decisions, but they don't follow sanctioning bodies. That's their stance and always has been.

They scored the fight for Marquez, but the judging decision was for Pac and therefore they acknowledge the official judges and give their belt to Pac.

If the roles had been reversed, and Marquez had won a close decision, but the Ring thought Pac won... then they would have let Marquez keep the belt, but they would have published that they thought Pac won.

What's the problem here?
03-20-2008, 08:03 PM
Chino

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I don't see what the problem is here.

The Ring recognizes and abides by judging decisions, but they don't follow sanctioning bodies. That's their stance and always has been.

They scored the fight for Marquez, but the judging decision was for Pac and therefore they acknowledge the official judges and give their belt to Pac.

If the roles had been reversed, and Marquez had won a close decision, but the Ring thought Pac won... then they would have let Marquez keep the belt, but they would have published that they thought Pac won.

What's the problem here?

The problem is that ODLH has something to do with it and WHATEVER HE DOES will be seen as the worse thing out there no matter what:rolleyes:.
03-21-2008, 03:36 AM
Galaxy

Re: What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenster

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

:confused:

They don't have to lie about anything. Just hand over the belt with their mouths closed.

This actually strikes at a deeper question that I have raised before. The Ring ISNT an official governing body and they DON'T have any official belt sanctioning abilities.

They are a magazine. As a magazine it is entirely right and proper that they comment on all the big fights, that is what a magazine's role is.

Can you imagine Shoot, the popular uk soccer mag not providing assessment of matches for fear of being labelled biased, it's just absurd, that is the very job of a magazine!

So there is nothing wrong in The Ring making judgements on who they thought won the fight, that is their role.......as a magazine.

However, if you take issue, as I do to an extent, of a magazine holding more sway in the minds of the hardcore fans than the sanctioning bodies then that is another argument entirely.

I have raised this many times. The idea that a magazine's rankings can take precedent over the actual official rankings is something entirely peculiar to boxing.

No other sport operates in this way.I believe that in allowing the Ring to operate in a such a way devalues the actual belts that are in place.

When Greece stunned the whole of Europe by winning the European cup (soccer) a few years back people were amazed, but noone questioned the result. That was it, they won they were champions.

In boxing however it's another thing entirely. As I highlighted the other day Ricardo Torres despite being a legitimate belt holder is ranked only 9th (actually 10th as the champ is 0) in the junior welterweight division by the Ring Magazine.

This creates a strange double standard. Although he is a genuine world title belt holder, the fans and writers alike don't recognise that and rate him lower than people such as D Hop who has never even fought for a world title :confused:

Those are the cases I think the Ring serves to undermine boxing because they are unintentionally taking away from the credibility of the sanctioning bodies.

Your kidding right? Using credibility & sanctioning bodies in the same sentence. That's just laughable!!!

Who did Torres beat to get his belt? Arnaoutis! Who'd he beat? He didn't beat Hatton so why would anyone recognize that fight as for the championship? Multiple champions is what's ruining the game. At least the Ring policy is trying to make things better!

I don't see any double standards in this regard from the Ring, Torres just ain't a champion cause the ABC boys don't exist! The sooner you stop recognizing them yourself the better of you'll be!