Does this look like a bad thing? It doesn't hurt or anything, but I just wanted to make sure.
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Does this look like a bad thing? It doesn't hurt or anything, but I just wanted to make sure.
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They're ready to stamp someone's face with them.
Just dont beat them so much that you get arthritis later in life.
Best to start off with sand and get courser and courser stuff till your into small gravel to toughen the skin up like leather first.Then go onto lead pellet filled sacks for tempering knuckles for punching.
There are herbs you can buy through the chinese that stop any bone damage but your skin goes like iron when tensed up.
You have to heat it up like a tea and soak in it for 20 miniutes after training on the hard bags.
Whats going on you going to fight Kimo slice ?
does this have anything to do with you never getting laid? :-X
What have you done to yourself and why?!.. :jawdrop:
Nah, I just want to be able to punch someone without hurting myself. Although I'll bet Kimbo's knuckles are hard like that too (as I've seen him training on the heavybag with bare hands).Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I just did like Quingfu Pan did, ever-so-lightly punch on something a few hundred times a day, and the next day do it gradually harder and harder. BY NO MEANS can I beat on something hard like metal with all of my might like he can. However, I'm able to put a little more force when "punching" [I'm not able to do it hard enough to actually punch).
Hmmmm, somewhat. They say girls won't like it, but they never did like me when I had softy hands, so it won't matter now will it? ;D Fuck em' (or DON'T, for that matter...)Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
Self flaggulation, cause its Easter. ;D
pacs hands are like that, i even jokingly compared my fists to his.
Has he ever posted a picture of his hands? I didn't think mine were all that hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
no i meant manny pacquiao, i spoke to him a couple of times back then when he had his fighting cocks farm setup a stone throw away from my house.
he had calouses up to the joint after the knuckles too.
Oh. What did he do to harden them up?Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
i really dont know but i guess its cause of the years and years and years of training, and probably poor handwrap technique.
but if you want to lessen the pain when punching expecially if you hit the hard parts of a face like chin,eyebrows and cheeks. you should always keep your fist clenched tightly as in real tight. never punch with a slightly opened fist itll hurt like hell!
Oh yes! I've found that out on the heavy bag. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
What a bizarre thread :confused:
I don't see how you can harden your knuckles to prevent your hand from hurting. All your doing is hardening the skin, so it maybe won't sting as much.
But it's not stinging hands that hurt, its broken bones and this wont help that.
It's supposed to help gradually toughen up the bone too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I'd ask Scrap for advice, he's the most knowledgeble person here, not only a trainer but he fought himself during the bare knuckle days of John L Sullivan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberIt's supposed to help gradually toughen up the bone too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I haven't seen him in awhile. I might try to PM him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI'd ask Scrap for advice, he's the most knowledgeble person here, not only a trainer but he fought himself during the bare knuckle days of John L Sullivan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberIt's supposed to help gradually toughen up the bone too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
wait are u shitting me? scraps a pikey? okay okay..not a pikey, but was he really around when people were still pugilizing with no gloves and the ring was just a ring of people? That is insane..Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI'd ask Scrap for advice, he's the most knowledgeble person here, not only a trainer but he fought himself during the bare knuckle days of John L Sullivan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberIt's supposed to help gradually toughen up the bone too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Also what is this ancient chinese tea called that you are speaking of Andre? Like the ts, i've carried away on the heavybags sometimes, sometimes with no wraps or gloves. Its gotten my knuckles quite a bit rougher, but i had no idea it strengthened the bone! *goes off the whale away on heavy bag*Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
So does hitting a heavybag with no gloves on actually make your fist more solid, so that it will be less prone to breakage?
So does hitting a heavybag with no gloves on actually make your fist more solid, so that it will be less prone to breakage?
not sure BUT hitting the bag w/o handwraps or gloves will not improve the power of your punch. since its painfull to hit, your body tends to soften the punch instead of giving a full swing at it.
I thought about doing this many years ago but I knew it would be me who would contract the flesh eating bacteria from it.
This is boxing we're talking about.
Gloves on! You have to preserve your weapons for real fights and you will damage them by hitting things without oprtecting them.
haha ever the optimist eh BG :pQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Its whats used in iron palm training, dont know the name sorry , i can count to ten in Cantonese if that helps.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by southpawedAlso what is this ancient chinese tea called that you are speaking of Andre? Like the ts, i've carried away on the heavybags sometimes, sometimes with no wraps or gloves. Its gotten my knuckles quite a bit rougher, but i had no idea it strengthened the bone! *goes off the whale away on heavy bag*Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
So does hitting a heavybag with no gloves on actually make your fist more solid, so that it will be less prone to breakage?
Drink Lots Of Milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what a fist of a semi-retired karateman looks like, guess who?
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It still retain about half of the old form though I haven't banged it in years. So let this be a warning: this thing can be permanent. It used to be much more uglier like two marbles jutting out from the fist. They still teach karate in the old, tough way there in Okinawa so we were subjected to all kinds of physical 'abuse' there and pounding our fists on hards stuffs to make them iron hard was one of them. But I've decided to shift to the so-called 'soft' or the spiritual aspect of karate, so I don't torture myself anymore.
Just passing by. Adios.
that's one ugly hand. lol sorry. but it is.
i honestly don't think there is any benefit to roughening up hands like that for boxing, and admit i don't know enuff about martial arts to really judge.
i can understand doing it for martial arts or if you are training for bare nuckle type fighting, but to me if you are boxing and properly you don't need to worry much about hurting your hands if you are throwing properly and well-equipped.
i do use hand grips to strengthen my wrists and hands, but that looks a bit overboard for boxing IMO.
Ya, but it's been well over 10 years since I last pounded that poor thing on some hard stuffs, so during that long period it sort of 'settled down' a bit to its form now. So you could imagine what it looked like then. Definitely it was lot uglier with the two front knuckles looking like two marbles jutting out of the fist. The right impact point for karate is the two front knuckles (the fore- and the middle fingers), not the middle-finger to pinky knuckles. But I must say that during it's peak days, it was one mean punching machine, capable of wrecking anyone's jaw who dared to challenge that mean fellow.;D But now it's a reformed baby, no more ugly brawls and as meek as a lamb.;)
Actually, I try to gradually train all 4 knuckles, because YA NEVER KNOW when you might accidentally use those last 2.
The idea is to not end up with arthritus when your older from the beating you give them.
Thats where the herbs come into iron palm training they make the skin like leather abd harder when tensed but the bone stays unbrusied.
Seriously, I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a practical need for them. But if you must, do it gradually. You shouldn't rush this thing because you might permanently damage your knuckle bones and ligaments. And also, try to strenghten you wrist because when you punch bare-handed, the first thing to go is the wrist, especially if you're a thin built with thin arms. Strenghten it so your punches won't collapse under your wrist during impact. Actually, learning to punch bare-handed is the best way to learn punching, even for boxers. Learning to box with gloves leaves too many flaws that will adversely affect your punching, although some has eventually overcome those flaws and those who did are the best punchers in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clubber
So what proceedure are using to toughen them up ?
Slow and sure I hope ;).
I rap them a thousand times against a big hard metal tower that has something to do with our water heating system out in the backyard. But I do it VERY LIGHTLY. My rule of thumb is [color=green]"if your knuckles start hurting before your able to get to a thousand, then YOU'RE DOING IT TOO HARD"!!![/color=green] You can't expect to have brick-breaking fists in only a few weeks time. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
There is a way. buckets of sand punch down into them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberI rap them a thousand times against a big hard metal tower that has something to do with our water heating system out in the backyard. But I do it VERY LIGHTLY. My rule of thumb is [color=green]"if your knuckles start hurting before your able to get to a thousand, then YOU'RE DOING IT TOO HARD"!!![/color=green] You can't expect to have brick-breaking fists in only a few weeks time. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
few weeks later change the courseness o f the sand to beach sand then gravel .
next stage little polished stones .
next sharper gravel etc etc .
volcanic rock. metal.
By the way none of those things punch back and not many people stay still like holding a plank out in front of them ready for you to break them.
How many times a day should you punch into them?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreThere is a way. buckets of sand punch down into them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberI rap them a thousand times against a big hard metal tower that has something to do with our water heating system out in the backyard. But I do it VERY LIGHTLY. My rule of thumb is [color=green]"if your knuckles start hurting before your able to get to a thousand, then YOU'RE DOING IT TOO HARD"!!![/color=green] You can't expect to have brick-breaking fists in only a few weeks time. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
few weeks later change the courseness o f the sand to beach sand then gravel .
next stage little polished stones .
next sharper gravel etc etc .
volcanic rock. metal.
By the way none of those things punch back and not many people stay still like holding a plank out in front of them ready for you to break them.
And it's true none of those objects hit back. However, UNLIKE a human opponent, those objects can pretty much withstand ANYthing I try and dish out on them. :cool: ;D
Everyones different ,ITs to toughen the skin before you get into the harder hits routine that your doing now . repitition not power is the key.
If your skin isnt ready to move to the next level or course grade ,you'll know cuase it'll get sore or rip up.
This helps to stop you gettting arthritus later inlife cause your conditioning the skin and tendons and ligaments around the knuckles first before the bone crunching stuff that your doing at the moment.
A chinese herbalist may be able to make you up a mix (worth a phone call into china town).
We used to soak our hands in a tea of chinese herbs immediatly after the work ,little gas flame under it to heat it up with your hands in it.
Makes your skin go like leather then like iron when you tense up afterwards.
After the sand and rocks you can fill a few bags with lead shot and dump them on a table in front of you and do all the strikes off them.
we used to do finger strikes ,side strikes punches etc.It works too I seen the damage done from a miss hit that didnt even have any power on it. Nasty like a slice open along the jaw line.
Keep your hands warm for a few hours after this type of work gloves would benifit in winter especially.
If your going to make stuff up your self to soak in, Hot spicey herbs done in thin liquid is best, not made from oils or cream rubs like dencorub that soften the skin.
And make sure the metals are red hot... ...and a bucket full of ice might help afterwards.;D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreThere is a way. buckets of sand punch down into them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberI rap them a thousand times against a big hard metal tower that has something to do with our water heating system out in the backyard. But I do it VERY LIGHTLY. My rule of thumb is [color=green]"if your knuckles start hurting before your able to get to a thousand, then YOU'RE DOING IT TOO HARD"!!![/color=green] You can't expect to have brick-breaking fists in only a few weeks time. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
few weeks later change the courseness o f the sand to beach sand then gravel .
next stage little polished stones .
next sharper gravel etc etc .
volcanic rock. metal.
By the way none of those things punch back and not many people stay still like holding a plank out in front of them ready for you to break them.
Do you need to sink your fist INTO the sand? I tried it, but all I did was pack it down. :dontknow: Seemed effective tho...
You wont pack down dry beach sand mate it just keeps moving. From the ocean crushed shell and rocks that are now sand.
Where do you live, maybe small minute river pebbles or gravel, should be some in a gardening suppliers.