Some evidence for my 'this new rep system is flawed' theory

Ok I know you guys think I'm harping on here, and indeed I am, I like to harp :D

But this is a clear example of how this new system of building a reputation is completely flawed.

A user can in just one month of regular posting earn a rep that eclipses that of a well respected longstanding poster who has happened to take some time off.

Now let's look at DG' Diane as an example.

Let me say firstly that I really like Diane, she's a cool girl and one of my favourite new posters BUT

She has the 24th highest reputation on the whole of Saddo's despite having posted only 278 times :rolleyes:

This is the equivilent of a boxer being made p4p number 1 on his pro debut :rolleyes:

In under 280 postings she has managed to build a better rep than Memphis with 12000 posts, Scrap with 3780, Missy with 10,777, KillerSheep with over 4000, Big H 7500 posts, Amat 6500, Lords Gym 6103, X 4022 plus other well respected posters like

Brad4boxer, Fenster, Sal The Butcher, Ono, BZKFN, Smashup (11000 posts!), Adam GB (6287), p4pking (4500) Sweet Pea (2600), Snakey (8127)
Mad Dog (5205), Steelie (6331), TitoBHB (5489), Hulk (3749) and a host more.

All of the posters I mentioned had excellent reps under the old coolclick system, reputations that would last over time BUT because they havn't been so active over the past 4 weeks since the new system has been implemented a poster with UNDER 300 POSTS has now eclipsed them all.


She's not alone, DeanRW has less than 700 posts and is now above virtually all of those mentioned.

This new system only rewards the previous 4 weeks. As everybody's punch power will increase (probably double) every 4 weeks this will be a consistent self perpetuating thing.

There's no longer any consistency or stability to the rankings.

I know it's just for fun and not to be taken seriously but really if none of you take it seriously then why not just let me get it changed back to the old system ;D

The coolclick system better reflected the value and contribution of users over time.

You wouldn't touch a ranking system like this with a barge pole when it came to ranking fighters on an all time p4p so why do we have it in place here?

Thankyou, that is all :soapbox:

Let me just explain this one more way so people can understand that I'm not complaining about nothing.

Since we've had the new forum rep system in place my reputation has doubled!

So what I had patiently built in 3 FREAKING YEARS was matched in just a few weeks.

As the rep system is inflationary by nature this means that over the next say 6 weeks my reputation will have doubled again!

So once again my entire reputation earned over all of my time here at Saddos is matched in just six weeks.

This means if even our most esteemed user with the most peerless reputation on the board was to go away for 6 weeks, he or she would come back and find himself dumped 30 or more places down on the rankings.

As a sensible boxing site we argue for common sense and a rational approach when rating fighters on a p4p scale, especially an all time one.

This system we can see would be absolutely crazy for a real life ranking system so why do we have it in place on Saddo's?

It makes no sense whatsoever. If this system was in place for real rankings Marvin Hagler wouldnt even be rated in the 5000 middleweigts on an all time p4p list as his wins would mean only a fraction of what a modern da fighters would.

It's completely absurd. Now please is there ANYONE else who gets what I'm saying here? :confused:

i get what you're saying..

i've def reaped the benefits of the rep system, obviously..

I think that if there is going to be something done about it then it needs to happen quick before things get that much out of hand..

only like 10-15 people including myself have had huge increases from not having too much rep..(i think i had like 65 ccs to 16 scs)

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Originally Posted by RP33

i get what you're saying..

i've def reaped the benefits of the rep system, obviously..

I think that if there is going to be something done about it then it needs to happen quick before things get that much out of hand..

only like 10-15 people including myself have had huge increases from not having too much rep..(i think i had like 65 ccs to 16 scs)

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Exactly my point buddy! It HAS to be addressed now because it will get worse really fast.

The situation could be that a member like myself Mick or Gamo could leave for a few weeks and our reputations would have plummeted to be replaced by people with less than 1000 posts!

It just doesn't make any sense!

so waht is the resolution?

come up with some algorithm that makes sense!! haha

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Originally Posted by RP33

so waht is the resolution?

come up with some algorithm that makes sense!! haha

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In my opinion the only solution is to go back to the old coolclick system.

By its very nature the punch power system is flawed because it's based on inflation therefore the only point that matters in terms of reputation building is right now.

You cannot have a workable system where everybody's reputation doubles or even greater every 6 weeks.

You have around 1000 reps. CutMeMick has around 5000 and has been one of the pillars of this board for over 3 years.

Under the old coolclick system he could take say 6 months off and still be in the top 2 or 3 in reputation because of all the coolclicks he had built up during those 3 years.

Now if he took just say 10 weeks off he would be replaced by probably everyone who currently has close to 1000 reps.

It makes no sense whatsoever, it only rewards and reflects the past few weeks not the whole history of Saddo's

The ONLY solution in my mind is to go back to the old coolclick system. Any notion of variable punch power that can increase just destroys the system longterm.

yeah, but i mean what do we do with all the rep we've racked up now? Do we just count one rep, regardless of the punch power, as 1 cc and convert it back to cc's? or do we just say that i have 900+ cc's?

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Originally Posted by RP33

yeah, but i mean what do we do with all the rep we've racked up now? Do we just count one rep, regardless of the punch power, as 1 cc and convert it back to cc's? or do we just say that i have 900+ cc's?

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If I was Saddo and had the coolclick counts for everybody prior to the changeover I would just restore it back to how it was then.

If not I'd probably divide everybody's current reputation by 2 and set that as the coolclick count for everybody.

So Mick would have about 2500, I'd have 2350, you'd 450 etc

That would be an approximation of what we had before.

I genuinely think that would be in the best interest of the site. Even though the rep system is just a bit of fun, if you're going to have it, let's make it right, you agree?

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by RP33

i get what you're saying..

i've def reaped the benefits of the rep system, obviously..

I think that if there is going to be something done about it then it needs to happen quick before things get that much out of hand..

only like 10-15 people including myself have had huge increases from not having too much rep..(i think i had like 65 ccs to 16 scs)

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Exactly my point buddy! It HAS to be addressed now because it will get worse really fast.

The situation could be that a member like myself Mick or Gamo could leave for a few weeks and our reputations would have plummeted to be replaced by people with less than 1000 posts!

It just doesn't make any sense!

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I see your point to a degree, but quit being such a bitch. You have a punch power of 60 and a rep of nearly 5K based on 10k posts. Most quality posters have a rep to post rate of about 1:3. Yours is almost 1:2. Why does it matter one bit? Everybody knows that you, Gamo, Mick, Sheep (who has been largely inactive lately, VD, and Gorilla, and a handful of others are saddo legends and staples of this site. If you need some magic number to validate that, it's pretty sad. Please move out of your mothers hobbit hole and get some self-esteem;)

I don't hear Taeth bitching about his rep or power, and he's one of the most interesting posters on the site and at one time, he was one of the most active. I've been around since 2005 and I had 10 CC's for every 1 SC before the switch, and I'm punching like a Flyweight right now. Do I give a damn? No.

The only problem is that people who suck up to guys with high PP's can get their own reps up too soon, but with Saddo's new system where you have give a smaller amount of reps, it's nobodys fault except the longtime, hardcore members if they inflate newbie's too high too soon. People with 20+ punchpower need to thing twice before they throw full rep to newbs and they should make a point to boost up the reps of the people they feel deserve it. You can't go around using the new system like we used CC's and SC's. It's not the system, it's they way users are handling the system.

And FYI, not all 1000 post are equal. Some people constantly post very short, insignificant posts and rack up their number very quickly. If you were to take the total number of my words in 975 posts, or whatever I have, you would find that I've contributed more to this site than a heck of a lot of people with twice the posts. Who gives a rat's ass? The posters who matter know and respect my posts and that's all that matters to me.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by RP33

i get what you're saying..

i've def reaped the benefits of the rep system, obviously..

I think that if there is going to be something done about it then it needs to happen quick before things get that much out of hand..

only like 10-15 people including myself have had huge increases from not having too much rep..(i think i had like 65 ccs to 16 scs)

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Exactly my point buddy! It HAS to be addressed now because it will get worse really fast.

The situation could be that a member like myself Mick or Gamo could leave for a few weeks and our reputations would have plummeted to be replaced by people with less than 1000 posts!

It just doesn't make any sense!

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I see your point to a degree, but quit being such a bitch. You have a punch power of 60 and a rep of nearly 5K based on 10k posts. Most quality posters have a rep to post rate of about 1:3. Yours is almost 1:2. Why does it matter one bit? Everybody knows that you, Gamo, Mick, Sheep (who has been largely inactive lately, VD, and Gorilla, and a handful of others are saddo legends and staples of this site. If you need some magic number to validate that, it's pretty sad. Please move out of your mothers hobbit hole and get some self-esteem;)

I don't hear Taeth bitching about his rep or power, and he's one of the most interesting posters on the site and at one time, he was one of the most active. I've been around since 2005 and I had 10 CC's for every 1 SC before the switch, and I'm punching like a Flyweight right now. Do I give a damn? No.

The only problem is that people who suck up to guys with high PP's can get their own reps up too soon, but with Saddo's new system where you have give a smaller amount of reps, it's nobodys fault except the longtime, hardcore members if they inflate newbie's too high too soon. People with 20+ punchpower need to thing twice before they throw full rep to newbs and they should make a point to boost up the reps of the people they feel deserve it. You can't go around using the new system like we used CC's and SC's. It's not the system, it's they way users are handling the system.

And FYI, not all 1000 post are equal. Some people constantly post very short, insignificant posts and rack up their number very quickly. If you were to take the total number of my words in 975 posts, or whatever I have, you would find that I've contributed more to this site than a heck of a lot of people with twice the posts. Who gives a rat's ass? The posters who matter know and respect my posts and that's all that matters to me.

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I'm not whining for myself! I have a great reputation!

It's for all the others that I'm raising this point, for people like Taeth and Big H and YOU for example who had great reputations before but who have lost them because they havn't been so active since we had the new system!!!

If under the new system you had a great reputation and now you don't then this new system has failed you to some degree, would you not agree?

It's not a big deal in the scheme of things but I'm just trying to help make the site the fairest it can be for everyone.

Why call me a bitch? I'm trying to do what's right for everybody, it doesn't benefit me in the slightest?

Bilbo Buddy,You really have to squash it.Do you really think someone's "True Rep" is defined by mathmatics and little green cubes?Top members can never loose Reputation and as long as there spoken of and "Rep"resented We know who the vets and top dogs are.....The Dates when joined & activity can say quite a bit as well.We are all responsible for out Reps and how we respond in Kind :D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Bilbo Buddy,You really have to squash it.Do you really think someone's "True Rep" is defined by mathmatics and little green cubes?Top members can never loose Reputation and as long as there spoken of and "Rep"resented We know who the vets and top dogs are.....The Dates when joined & activity can say quite a bit as well.We are all responsible for out Reps and how we respond in Kind :D

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Yeah well I guess if nobody else cares or minds I will just 'squash' it. I just thought it was worth making the point to see if anybody cared whether we had gone from a 'lifelong' ranking system to a 'monthly' ranking system or not.

If am indeed the only person who cares then I will drop it.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Now let's look at DG' Diane as an example.

Let me say firstly that I really like Diane, she's a cool girl and one of my favourite new posters BUT

She has the 24th highest reputation on the whole of Saddo's despite having posted only 278 times :rolleyes:

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I can't help it if people are giving me good rep. I don't go around asking people to rep me, like some people I know. ;) ;D

Yes, a small portion of my reps is from those who welcomed me because I was Danny's friend, but the majority of it comes from people liking what I have to say, and those people do not have to give me full rep, they can always just give me 1 rep point if they want.

Why do you keep giving me full rep points when you obviously think that I don't deserve it? :confused:

This is something that is just supposed to be for fun. Rep points shouldn't matter, what should matter is the people of this forum, and the opinions they have to share.

So I'll tell you what, I think that I can go into my options, and make it so I cannot be rated by anyone anymore. Will that satisfy you then?

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Bilbo Buddy,You really have to squash it.Do you really think someone's "True Rep" is defined by mathmatics and little green cubes?Top members can never loose Reputation and as long as there spoken of and "Rep"resented We know who the vets and top dogs are.....The Dates when joined & activity can say quite a bit as well.We are all responsible for out Reps and how we respond in Kind :D

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Yeah well I guess if nobody else cares or minds I will just 'squash' it. I just thought it was worth making the point to see if anybody cared whether we had gone from a 'lifelong' ranking system to a 'monthly' ranking system or not.

If am indeed the only person who cares then I will drop it.

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i mean, i don't specifically "care".. if you didn't make this topic i wouldn't have talked about it, but considering you did i said how i felt..

it's pretty obvious the ratings have gone crazy, and obviously they will only multiply.. i personally don't care much about my rating, i generally just rep guys who's posts i liked.. i just don't like how i have to rep 9 more people til i can rep that guy again..

Besides All that I can't peddle backwards against the current here :mad:.

While Im at it ,I miss the "replies to your last posts" button.

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Originally Posted by DGs_Diane

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Now let's look at DG' Diane as an example.

Let me say firstly that I really like Diane, she's a cool girl and one of my favourite new posters BUT

She has the 24th highest reputation on the whole of Saddo's despite having posted only 278 times :rolleyes:

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I can't help it if people are giving me good rep. I don't go around asking people to rep me, like some people I know. ;) ;D

Yes, a small portion of my reps is from those who welcomed me because I was Danny's friend, but the majority of it comes from people liking what I have to say, and those people do not have to give me full rep, they can always just give me 1 rep point if they want.

Why do you keep giving me full rep points when you obviously think that I don't deserve it? :confused:

This is something that is just supposed to be for fun. Rep points shouldn't matter, what should matter is the people of this forum, and the opinions they have to share.

So I'll tell you what, I think that I can go into my options, and make it so I cannot be rated by anyone anymore. Will that satisfy you then?

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i don't think Bilbo was attacking you.. he was more so just using you as an example..

you may not be familiar with the past system, which is contributing to your misinterpretation of what he's trying to say.. basically you only have 200+ posts, and you have a ton of rep.. on the old system you could only "cool click" a person once per 24 hour period.. so think of a 50 punch power rep coming from bilbo not as 50, but as 1 point.. and my 10 punch not as 10 but also 1.. so you'd have 2 points and not 60.. it's a huge difference..

basically what he's saying is that on that old rep system, to have a smuch rep as you do is impossible unless you had everyone on the site give you a cool click every day..

hope that clarifies..

Also we cant use the term 'click whore' any more.

rep whore doesnt have the same ring.

I go to another forum where I have been a member since 1999. I don't have a special status there nor do i want it.

I'm not sure why I have a high REP ratio as I am a fairly invisible poster on this board. I keep fairly low key. I'm certainly not a great poster in any way shape or form.

To be honest I really don't pay any attention to it. I just jump in the threads I find interesting and if I have a comment or something I like to share I do it.

I don't think any forum should have a special hierarchy. We are all just posters sharing thoughts. Newbies, if responsible, can contribute just as much as someone long established. I see it as, if someone contributes positively to the community, I view them favorably. If they act like a jackass, I don't care for them them, no matter how long they have been here or what post count/rep they have.

Bilbo is talking a lot of sense. The new system is about here and now and if you dont keep up then you are left behind and forgotton. The CC system was about putting in the grind and working your way into recognition amongst your fellow posters. Wacko is a legend here and was untouchable when it came to putting in the work and in return had an awesome CC rating. It is a reflection of dedication, respect and hard work. Unfortunately unless he gets back here quickly he will be subsumed by people who really dont deserve a rating anywhere near his level. That is unfair.

With a new system things do change and old ideas will be left on the way side, but I have a fondness for the old system and liked it. If others dont care for it then I suppose you've got to move with the tide. But still.

basically to sum up the responses.. there are people who care about the system to an extent, and see that things are multiplying quite a bit.. and then there are the people who are saying "bilbo who cares"

so if the people who don't agree with bilbo, aren't disagreeing because they like the new system as opposed to old, but are disagreeing because they don't care which system is used, then it seems as though it would make sense to satisfy the rep whore himself ;D

I don't get the new system at all... how much rep you have means nothing to me... :confused:

And I don't get how I can't give people reps most of the time... like if I get rep it won't let me give it back to the same person or half the time someone makes a good post and I have to 'spread it about' to give it to them...

Problem is I can't 'spread it about'...

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Originally Posted by DGs_Diane

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Now let's look at DG' Diane as an example.

Let me say firstly that I really like Diane, she's a cool girl and one of my favourite new posters BUT

She has the 24th highest reputation on the whole of Saddo's despite having posted only 278 times :rolleyes:

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I can't help it if people are giving me good rep. I don't go around asking people to rep me, like some people I know. ;) ;D

Yes, a small portion of my reps is from those who welcomed me because I was Danny's friend, but the majority of it comes from people liking what I have to say, and those people do not have to give me full rep, they can always just give me 1 rep point if they want.

Why do you keep giving me full rep points when you obviously think that I don't deserve it? :confused:

This is something that is just supposed to be for fun. Rep points shouldn't matter, what should matter is the people of this forum, and the opinions they have to share.

So I'll tell you what, I think that I can go into my options, and make it so I cannot be rated by anyone anymore. Will that satisfy you then?

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Diane, sorry if my postings put you on the defensive they wern't meant to.

Basically what I'm saying is this. Under the old system a person built up a reputation over a long periord of time and the ranking system meant that it was stable. So a poster who didn't post very often but posted consistently good postings over many months or years would build a great reputation.

Under the new system, the ONLY people who get a good reputation are those who have posted a lot in the past few weeks.

This has nothing to do with me grumbling for myself or attacking you.

It's just that great posters on this board, who used to have excellent rep built up over years, now have no very little rep on this board to show for their years of dedication and service to the site.

Guys like Miles and Adam GB who both posted in this thread have thousands of posts and used to have excellent rep. But because they havn't been very active in the last few weeks there reputations have all but disappeared.

You on the other hand who have only really been active in the past couple months (I know you registered earlier) have built an outstanding rep which although deserved is skewed. For example when I rep you you get the equivilent of 60 coolclicks in one go and from many others you get say 40,35,23,14 and so on coolclicks in a single go!

You say I could limit it, but why should I? I like you and would consider it rude to hold back some of my rep when complimenting your postings.

Again this is not an attack on you or anyone else. It's just this board no longer rewards users who have built a reputation over many years but who are not active at this particular point in time.

It's a shitty system and unfair for such posters.

And to people who think I'm whinging about this personally, I'm always here, this system works great for me! I've risen to number 2 on the whole board :rolleyes:

It's not about ME complaining for ME, I'm trying to make it fairer for all the other longterm Saddo members who have seen their once great reputations erased because they havn't posted much in the past few weeks.

And this will happen EVERY 6 weeks or so. The reputation board no longer reflects a reputation built over time through consistent good postings over years, but rather just the popularity and activity of a poster over the past few weeks alone.

It's a flawed system and doesn't sit well with either what this board stands for or our own philosophy of ranking. When we make p4p lists for boxers as nearly all of us do we don't only base them on the last 6 weeks :rolleyes:

We base them on the last few months and years and in the case of all time, last hundred years. What a fighter has done in the last 6 weeks isn't more important than what a fighter did 50 years ago when evaluating p4p rabkings so if we wouldn't use the system we have in place for building rep for ranking boxers p4p why do we use it for ranking our members?

Do you see what I'm trying to get at here? Please don't think I'm attacking you, you are a great new poster, I just don't think this new system is fair for a majority of posters.

Most maybe don't care, but as I care about the whole board and all the members I wanted to bring it up :)

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

I go to another forum where I have been a member since 1999. I don't have a special status there nor do i want it.

I'm not sure why I have a high REP ratio as I am a fairly invisible poster on this board. I keep fairly low key. I'm certainly not a great poster in any way shape or form.

To be honest I really don't pay any attention to it. I just jump in the threads I find interesting and if I have a comment or something I like to share I do it.

I don't think any forum should have a special hierarchy. We are all just posters sharing thoughts. Newbies, if responsible, can contribute just as much as someone long established. I see it as, if someone contributes positively to the community, I view them favorably. If they act like a jackass, I don't care for them them, no matter how long they have been here or what post count/rep they have.

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Hey Dean like with Diane I wasn't attacking you personally. I also agree we shouldn't have a hierarchy. Under the old system there was no punch power, everyone could give a coolclick or sadclick, just a single point either way to any user every 24 hours.

There was no rating people with, like in my case a 60 point punch power whereas somebody else has only 3 punch power.

It was completely fair, everybody had the same worth, and everyone's opinion meant the same, one point.

It was a totally balanced and fair system that could allow any poster to build a reputation no matter how infrequently they posted as it was built over time and not skewed to only count the past few weeks.

I really feel if people understood what Im trying to say here they would prefer to go back to the old system.

Most people can't get beyond the fact I seem to be complaining which is sad as I'm not complaining for myself but because I want everybody on the site to be able to build a reputation over time and not have it erased every few weeks because they didn't get much time to post.

By the way, like with Diane any rep you have received in the last few weeks has been deserved. I'm not slating you in any way. All I'm saying is that in time past a poster would have had to wait months to have built the rep up that you and Diane have in just the past few weeks with the new system.

Someone who made a good point 6 months ago and got a coolclick would get a single point. Someone who makes the same point now could get more than 60 points.

In another 6 weeks the same point could likely make 120 points in one go etc!

It will double every 6 weeks or so so that the value of a single click is diminished every further every few weeks.

It's an unfair system for those who can't post all the time as it doesnt reward them for their longterm efforts only the immediate term

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Originally Posted by miles

Bilbo is talking a lot of sense. The new system is about here and now and if you dont keep up then you are left behind and forgotton. The CC system was about putting in the grind and working your way into recognition amongst your fellow posters. Wacko is a legend here and was untouchable when it came to putting in the work and in return had an awesome CC rating. It is a reflection of dedication, respect and hard work. Unfortunately unless he gets back here quickly he will be subsumed by people who really dont deserve a rating anywhere near his level. That is unfair.

With a new system things do change and old ideas will be left on the way side, but I have a fondness for the old system and liked it. If others dont care for it then I suppose you've got to move with the tide. But still.

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Cheers Miles you explained it really well there buddy.

What I think a lot of these newer posters dont realise is that under the old system you and I had a similar reputation. In the past 6 weeks or so we have had this board however I have posted a lot whereas you have not.

I now have a reputation over double your own and that's just clearly unfair. 6 weeks isnt a fair reflection of the 3 years or more we have both been here.

Adam GB also had a great rep before and now has less than a 1000 rep!

What did he do to deserve to be dumped so low in the rankings, he's also one of our longest serving and well liked members.

I just wish the ones who were attacking me could see that I'm trying to argue fairness for all the long time popular posters like yourself and Adam who earned their reps the hard way, one point at a time :-\

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Originally Posted by RP33

basically to sum up the responses.. there are people who care about the system to an extent, and see that things are multiplying quite a bit.. and then there are the people who are saying "bilbo who cares"

so if the people who don't agree with bilbo, aren't disagreeing because they like the new system as opposed to old, but are disagreeing because they don't care which system is used, then it seems as though it would make sense to satisfy the rep whore himself ;D

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I like your way of thinking!

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

I'm not sure why I have a high REP ratio as I am a fairly invisible poster on this board. I keep fairly low key. I'm certainly not a great poster in any way shape or form.

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The Rep's have to be spread around, so people are starting to give them out like candy, until they have gone thru their ten lesser posters, and then they can give the big numbers to those they think deserve them.

Thats one of the problems with forums in general. At some point the "post counts" and "Rep count" starts to become more of an issue than the "debates" going on.

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Originally Posted by Ghost

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

I'm not sure why I have a high REP ratio as I am a fairly invisible poster on this board. I keep fairly low key. I'm certainly not a great poster in any way shape or form.

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The Rep's have to be spread around, so people are starting to give them out like candy, until they have gone thru their ten lesser posters, and then they can give the big numbers to those they think deserve them.

Thats one of the problems with forums in general. At some point the "post counts" and "Rep count" starts to become more of an issue than the "debates" going on.

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On reflection the old coollclick system was perfect. None of this spreading rep crap. You could click anybody once in a 24 hour period. There was none of this you MUST click 10 other people before you can click that person again.

And there was none of this 'my opinion is worth 60 points whilst yours is only worth 5 points' crap either.

It was a fair and meritocritous system for all. I'm probably the biggest beneficiary of this new system my own rep has gone through the roof, but I can see beyond my own nose and see how other great posters have faired really poorly in this system due to not posting 24 hours a day like me.

People who say it doesnt matter, then if it doesnt matter why object to changing it back? :confused:

The rep system we have in place should be fair for EVERYBODY. That's all I'm getting at. :)

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by miles

Bilbo is talking a lot of sense. The new system is about here and now and if you dont keep up then you are left behind and forgotton. The CC system was about putting in the grind and working your way into recognition amongst your fellow posters. Wacko is a legend here and was untouchable when it came to putting in the work and in return had an awesome CC rating. It is a reflection of dedication, respect and hard work. Unfortunately unless he gets back here quickly he will be subsumed by people who really dont deserve a rating anywhere near his level. That is unfair.

With a new system things do change and old ideas will be left on the way side, but I have a fondness for the old system and liked it. If others dont care for it then I suppose you've got to move with the tide. But still.

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Cheers Miles you explained it really well there buddy.

What I think a lot of these newer posters dont realise is that under the old system you and I had a similar reputation. In the past 6 weeks or so we have had this board however I have posted a lot whereas you have not.

I now have a reputation over double your own and that's just clearly unfair. 6 weeks isnt a fair reflection of the 3 years or more we have both been here.

Adam GB also had a great rep before and now has less than a 1000 rep!

What did he do to deserve to be dumped so low in the rankings, he's also one of our longest serving and well liked members.

I just wish the ones who were attacking me could see that I'm trying to argue fairness for all the long time popular posters like yourself and Adam who earned their reps the hard way, one point at a time :-\

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Im geared towards the old system, but ultimately come on here to make a few bad predictions and have a word or two with the English speaking world. My lack of power punch isnt gonna get me down too much. Thats just me though. It is unfair that contributions made over a long time are only really reflected in post counts now. Anyone can post a lot, but there is no indication regarding the quality of those posts or the respect given by others at those points in time. A case of in with the new and out with the old there.

Sacrifices have been made to try and modernise the site. Sacrifices that include my hard won CC's and the SC's too!! I liked how things had evolved before but I supppose its impossible to go back and recalculate everything. Maybe we could ammend the current system somewhat, but if the general concensus is that people dont care too much then I suppose there is little to do but keep on posting.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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On reflection the old coollclick system was perfect. None of this spreading rep crap. You could click anybody once in a 24 hour period. There was none of this you MUST click 10 other people before you can click that person again.

And there was none of this 'my opinion is worth 60 points whilst yours is only worth 5 points' crap either.

It was a fair and meritocritous system for all. I'm probably the biggest beneficiary of this new system my own rep has gone through the roof, but I can see beyond my own nose and see how other great posters have faired really poorly in this system due to not posting 24 hours a day like me.

People who say it doesnt matter, then if it doesnt matter why object to changing it back? :confused:

The rep system we have in place should be fair for EVERYBODY. That's all I'm getting at. :)

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Why not just get rid of both systems?

Why not do away with post counts all together?

What difference does it make how many posts you have or how many reps you have?

Does having more posts make you a smarter/better/all knowing poster?

Or just a person with more free time on your hands?

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Originally Posted by miles

Bilbo is talking a lot of sense. The new system is about here and now and if you dont keep up then you are left behind and forgotton. The CC system was about putting in the grind and working your way into recognition amongst your fellow posters. Wacko is a legend here and was untouchable when it came to putting in the work and in return had an awesome CC rating. It is a reflection of dedication, respect and hard work. Unfortunately unless he gets back here quickly he will be subsumed by people who really dont deserve a rating anywhere near his level. That is unfair.

With a new system things do change and old ideas will be left on the way side, but I have a fondness for the old system and liked it. If others dont care for it then I suppose you've got to move with the tide. But still.

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Cheers Miles you explained it really well there buddy.

What I think a lot of these newer posters dont realise is that under the old system you and I had a similar reputation. In the past 6 weeks or so we have had this board however I have posted a lot whereas you have not.

I now have a reputation over double your own and that's just clearly unfair. 6 weeks isnt a fair reflection of the 3 years or more we have both been here.

Adam GB also had a great rep before and now has less than a 1000 rep!

What did he do to deserve to be dumped so low in the rankings, he's also one of our longest serving and well liked members.

I just wish the ones who were attacking me could see that I'm trying to argue fairness for all the long time popular posters like yourself and Adam who earned their reps the hard way, one point at a time :-\

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Im geared towards the old system, but ultimately come on here to make a few bad predictions and have a word or two with the English speaking world. My lack of power punch isnt gonna get me down too much. Thats just me though. It is unfair that contributions made over a long time are only really reflected in post counts now. Anyone can post a lot, but there is no indication regarding the quality of those posts or the respect given by others at those points in time. A case of in with the new and out with the old there.

Sacrifices have been made to try and modernise the site. Sacrifices that include my hard won CC's and the SC's too!! I liked how things had evolved before but I supppose its impossible to go back and recalculate everything. Maybe we could ammend the current system somewhat, but if the general concensus is that people dont care too much then I suppose there is little to do but keep on posting.

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Nah I'm sure if enough people understand what I'm saying they will want to either change back or at least make changes to this system.

At the end of the day if we are going to have a reputation system at all we should make sure its a fair one that rewards everybody for the contribution they make to the site.

A lot of people wont care at all but its still nice for for everyones contribution to be fairly acknowledged.

Your rep is now half of what it once was, many others have suffered much worse.

I made my case already on the system and Saddo was gracious enough to compromise by the amout of reps you can give someone.

here is the excerp from my thread last week and the chorus of boos I recieved from the pagans:rolleyes: dancing and having an orgy around the golden cow of Rep as I went to the mountain to grab the Saddo 10 commandments;D

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rep-thing.html

Seems like there are alot of unearned rep going on here were we used to wear our clicks good or bad like a badge of honor that you earned for spending time advancing the forum and keeping this place ace with debating and opinion exchanging, you earned your clicks by quality posting and putting your time in... now you have guys with half the posts and time served of veteran established members that have more rep and punch power.

I dont get all bent out of shape about this click and rep thing and take it personal but If it didnt exist at all I wouldnt care but since it is part of the forum society then it seems like the vets are getting the short end. I mean if guests are surfing the board and we are all on display seems like whats a veteran get for all the time and effort that a newb or less number poster cant by kissing ass and grouping together with others.. Seems a bit flawed thats all, I know there are a bizillion other benefits to the new forum but this was an observation that I agreed with Snakey on another thread

Good luck with your crusade Baggins, I am afraid that our fellow Saddonians are drunk with lust from the reps. like Harlots who spread it around without shame:-\:D

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I made my case already on the system and Saddo was gracious enough to compromise by the amout of reps you can give someone.

here is the excerp from my thread last week and the chorus of boos I recieved from the pagans:rolleyes: dancing around the golden cow of Rep as I went to the mountain to grab the Saddo 10 commandments;D

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rep-thing.html

Seems like there are alot of unearned rep going on here were we used to wear our clicks good or bad like a badge of honor that you earned for spending time advancing the forum and keeping this place ace with debating and opinion exchanging, you earned your clicks by quality posting and putting your time in... now you have guys with half the posts and time served of veteran established members that have more rep and punch power.

I dont get all bent out of shape about this click and rep thing and take it personal but If it didnt exist at all I wouldnt care but since it is part of the forum society then it seems like the vets are getting the short end. I mean if guests are surfing the board and we are all on display seems like whats a veteran get for all the time and effort that a newb or less number poster cant by kissing ass and grouping together with others.. Seems a bit flawed thats all, I know there are a bizillion other benefits to the new forum but this was an observation that I agreed with Snakey on another thread

Good luck with your crusade Baggins, I am afraid that our fellow Saddonians are drunk with lust from the reps. like Harlots who spread it around without shame:-\:D

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Don't give up too soon JT, together, with Miles, Brucelee and RP33 we are building an army! A few more members and Saddo will at least listen to our pleas.

I think we can bring the old system back!

I miss my coolclicks! I even miss my sadclicks!

I miss my :coolclick: and :sadclick: smilies

This new system just isn't Saddo's! :-\

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Cheers Miles you explained it really well there buddy.

What I think a lot of these newer posters dont realise is that under the old system you and I had a similar reputation. In the past 6 weeks or so we have had this board however I have posted a lot whereas you have not.

I now have a reputation over double your own and that's just clearly unfair. 6 weeks isnt a fair reflection of the 3 years or more we have both been here.

Adam GB also had a great rep before and now has less than a 1000 rep!

What did he do to deserve to be dumped so low in the rankings, he's also one of our longest serving and well liked members.

I just wish the ones who were attacking me could see that I'm trying to argue fairness for all the long time popular posters like yourself and Adam who earned their reps the hard way, one point at a time :-\

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Im geared towards the old system, but ultimately come on here to make a few bad predictions and have a word or two with the English speaking world. My lack of power punch isnt gonna get me down too much. Thats just me though. It is unfair that contributions made over a long time are only really reflected in post counts now. Anyone can post a lot, but there is no indication regarding the quality of those posts or the respect given by others at those points in time. A case of in with the new and out with the old there.

Sacrifices have been made to try and modernise the site. Sacrifices that include my hard won CC's and the SC's too!! I liked how things had evolved before but I supppose its impossible to go back and recalculate everything. Maybe we could ammend the current system somewhat, but if the general concensus is that people dont care too much then I suppose there is little to do but keep on posting.

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Nah I'm sure if enough people understand what I'm saying they will want to either change back or at least make changes to this system.

At the end of the day if we are going to have a reputation system at all we should make sure its a fair one that rewards everybody for the contribution they make to the site.

A lot of people wont care at all but its still nice for for everyones contribution to be fairly acknowledged.

Your rep is now half of what it once was, many others have suffered much worse.

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I dont think what you are saying is terribly difficult to comprehend. It all makes sense enough. Personally I wish nothing had changed regarding the CC system. It worked and any newcomer could join in and start climbing if they worked hard. Take El Gamo and ICB. They joined at a later point than me and worked their way on through. It took time and a lot of effort and it was good how that worked. Now it is too easy to climb up and takes little real effort. If you have been inactive then you start from scratch. It isnt fair. No.

Perhaps we could have a poll to gauge opinion about the system and how people would prefer the system to be. My vote would be for ammendment or else the old system to make a comeback. Im an outdated old fuddy duddy though so Im not sure if others would be inclined to agree!! :-\;D

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I made my case already on the system and Saddo was gracious enough to compromise by the amout of reps you can give someone.

here is the excerp from my thread last week and the chorus of boos I recieved from the pagans:rolleyes: dancing around the golden cow of Rep as I went to the mountain to grab the Saddo 10 commandments;D

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rep-thing.html

Seems like there are alot of unearned rep going on here were we used to wear our clicks good or bad like a badge of honor that you earned for spending time advancing the forum and keeping this place ace with debating and opinion exchanging, you earned your clicks by quality posting and putting your time in... now you have guys with half the posts and time served of veteran established members that have more rep and punch power.

I dont get all bent out of shape about this click and rep thing and take it personal but If it didnt exist at all I wouldnt care but since it is part of the forum society then it seems like the vets are getting the short end. I mean if guests are surfing the board and we are all on display seems like whats a veteran get for all the time and effort that a newb or less number poster cant by kissing ass and grouping together with others.. Seems a bit flawed thats all, I know there are a bizillion other benefits to the new forum but this was an observation that I agreed with Snakey on another thread

Good luck with your crusade Baggins, I am afraid that our fellow Saddonians are drunk with lust from the reps. like Harlots who spread it around without shame:-\:D

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Excellent points, JT. Between us we have a pretty good case going. :cool:

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Originally Posted by miles

Im geared towards the old system, but ultimately come on here to make a few bad predictions and have a word or two with the English speaking world. My lack of power punch isnt gonna get me down too much. Thats just me though. It is unfair that contributions made over a long time are only really reflected in post counts now. Anyone can post a lot, but there is no indication regarding the quality of those posts or the respect given by others at those points in time. A case of in with the new and out with the old there.

Sacrifices have been made to try and modernise the site. Sacrifices that include my hard won CC's and the SC's too!! I liked how things had evolved before but I supppose its impossible to go back and recalculate everything. Maybe we could ammend the current system somewhat, but if the general concensus is that people dont care too much then I suppose there is little to do but keep on posting.

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Nah I'm sure if enough people understand what I'm saying they will want to either change back or at least make changes to this system.

At the end of the day if we are going to have a reputation system at all we should make sure its a fair one that rewards everybody for the contribution they make to the site.

A lot of people wont care at all but its still nice for for everyones contribution to be fairly acknowledged.

Your rep is now half of what it once was, many others have suffered much worse.

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I dont think what you are saying is terribly difficult to comprehend. It all makes sense enough. Personally I wish nothing had changed regarding the CC system. It worked and any newcomer could join in and start climbing if they worked hard. Take El Gamo and ICB. They joined at a later point than me and worked their way on through. It took time and a lot of effort and it was good how that worked. Now it is too easy to climb up and takes little real effort. If you have been inactive then you start from scratch. It isnt fair. No.

Perhaps we could have a poll to gauge opinion about the system and how people would prefer the system to be. My vote would be for ammendment or else the old system to make a comeback. Im an outdated old fuddy duddy though so Im not sure if others would be inclined to agree!! :-\;D

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Cheers Miles, glad you are stepping up! I think a poll would be a great idea, but lets wait until Saddo speaks on this and hopefully if he is agreeable let him run a poll and or decide what we should do.

If I make a poll a lot of people will just abuse me without even reading the postings!

I think Saddo will understand where we are coming from though having created the site and obviously being here since the beginnning!

If people like JT Rock and others speak up as well hopefully something can be done.

It seems like everyone who has posted, even those who think I'm sad for caring either way, agree that this new system is flawed, so if half the people agree with me, and the other half dont care either way then maybe Saddo will be pursuaded to revert back to the tried and true Saddo formulae.

The phrase if it ain't broke don't fix it is very apt in this case!

And lets not forget that this problem is only going to get worse and worse as peoples punch power increases daily.

I calculated my punch power by Christmas will be well over 5000!

That means I could welcome a newbie and with one fucking punch give him a higher rep than CutMeMick has now :rolleyes:

Completely fucking nuts!

Within a couple years if Wacko doesnt come back he wont make the top 1000.......seriously!

Yes, best to leave it all in Saddos hands really. By trying to envisage how things could be in 6 months time, then yes, some of the power punch ratings could get seriously screwy and not representative of how the site has evolved over a long, long time.

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Yes, best to leave it all in Saddos hands really. By trying to envisage how things could be in 6 months time, then yes, some of the power punch ratings could get seriously screwy and not representative of how the site has evolved over a long, long time.

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The funny thing is in time people will start to 'get it' but by then it will be too late.

At least now it's early enough to be put right.

I don't think anybody will want a system where most people have several times more punch power than they have posts but that is where we are heading!

What you've got to remember too bilbo is that before the forum changed over I actually had closer to 8000 posts but I seem to have lost some...

7500 odd posts and about 750 ccs maybe? and now they're all gone! : 0

I'm still 1337 though... :cool::-X

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

What you've got to remember too bilbo is that before the forum changed over I actually had closer to 8000 posts but I seem to have lost some...

7500 odd posts and about 750 ccs maybe? and now they're all gone! : 0

I'm still 1337 though... :cool::-X

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Yeah its guys like you who I'm thinking of particularly when I look at this new system.

You were once one of the top 15 or posters on the site and deservedly so, now after just a month of this system you only just make the top 50, your 49th :-\ I now have almost 5 times the reputation you have :(

Considering the number of years you've been here that just completely sucks imo.

I really like some of the new posters we have but for someone with under 300 posts (and this insn't a knock on you Diane I think you are a GREAT new poster :) )to be have the 24th highest rep out of almost 4500 members is just insane.

It's just a monthly popularity contest now, and the spreading the rep feature makes it even worse.

I can't even describe how much I think this new system sucks :(

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Originally Posted by RP33

i get what you're saying..

i've def reaped the benefits of the rep system, obviously..

I think that if there is going to be something done about it then it needs to happen quick before things get that much out of hand..

only like 10-15 people including myself have had huge increases from not having too much rep..(i think i had like 65 ccs to 16 scs)

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Exactly my point buddy! It HAS to be addressed now because it will get worse really fast.

The situation could be that a member like myself Mick or Gamo could leave for a few weeks and our reputations would have plummeted to be replaced by people with less than 1000 posts!

It just doesn't make any sense!

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Perhaps it's Saddo's way of saying "DON'T LEAVE!" ;)