Some evidence for my 'this new rep system is flawed' theory

[JT Rock]

I made my case already on the system and Saddo was gracious enough to compromise by the amout of reps you can give someone.

here is the excerp from my thread last week and the chorus of boos I recieved from the pagans dancing and having an orgy around the golden cow of Rep as I went to the mountain to grab the Saddo 10 commandments

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rep-thing.html

Seems like there are alot of unearned rep going on here were we used to wear our clicks good or bad like a badge of honor that you earned for spending time advancing the forum and keeping this place ace with debating and opinion exchanging, you earned your clicks by quality posting and putting your time in... now you have guys with half the posts and time served of veteran established members that have more rep and punch power.

I dont get all bent out of shape about this click and rep thing and take it personal but If it didnt exist at all I wouldnt care but since it is part of the forum society then it seems like the vets are getting the short end. I mean if guests are surfing the board and we are all on display seems like whats a veteran get for all the time and effort that a newb or less number poster cant by kissing ass and grouping together with others.. Seems a bit flawed thats all, I know there are a bizillion other benefits to the new forum but this was an observation that I agreed with Snakey on another thread

Good luck with your crusade Baggins, I am afraid that our fellow Saddonians are drunk with lust from the reps. like Harlots who spread it around without shame

[Kev]

I made my case already on the system and Saddo was gracious enough to compromise by the amout of reps you can give someone.

here is the excerp from my thread last week and the chorus of boos I recieved from the pagans dancing around the golden cow of Rep as I went to the mountain to grab the Saddo 10 commandments

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rep-thing.html

Seems like there are alot of unearned rep going on here were we used to wear our clicks good or bad like a badge of honor that you earned for spending time advancing the forum and keeping this place ace with debating and opinion exchanging, you earned your clicks by quality posting and putting your time in... now you have guys with half the posts and time served of veteran established members that have more rep and punch power.

I dont get all bent out of shape about this click and rep thing and take it personal but If it didnt exist at all I wouldnt care but since it is part of the forum society then it seems like the vets are getting the short end. I mean if guests are surfing the board and we are all on display seems like whats a veteran get for all the time and effort that a newb or less number poster cant by kissing ass and grouping together with others.. Seems a bit flawed thats all, I know there are a bizillion other benefits to the new forum but this was an observation that I agreed with Snakey on another thread

Good luck with your crusade Baggins, I am afraid that our fellow Saddonians are drunk with lust from the reps. like Harlots who spread it around without shame

Don't give up too soon JT, together, with Miles, Brucelee and RP33 we are building an army! A few more members and Saddo will at least listen to our pleas.

I think we can bring the old system back!

I miss my coolclicks! I even miss my sadclicks!

I miss my and smilies

This new system just isn't Saddo's!

[Gandalf]

Cheers Miles you explained it really well there buddy.

What I think a lot of these newer posters dont realise is that under the old system you and I had a similar reputation. In the past 6 weeks or so we have had this board however I have posted a lot whereas you have not.

I now have a reputation over double your own and that's just clearly unfair. 6 weeks isnt a fair reflection of the 3 years or more we have both been here.

Adam GB also had a great rep before and now has less than a 1000 rep!

What did he do to deserve to be dumped so low in the rankings, he's also one of our longest serving and well liked members.

I just wish the ones who were attacking me could see that I'm trying to argue fairness for all the long time popular posters like yourself and Adam who earned their reps the hard way, one point at a time

Im geared towards the old system, but ultimately come on here to make a few bad predictions and have a word or two with the English speaking world. My lack of power punch isnt gonna get me down too much. Thats just me though. It is unfair that contributions made over a long time are only really reflected in post counts now. Anyone can post a lot, but there is no indication regarding the quality of those posts or the respect given by others at those points in time. A case of in with the new and out with the old there.

Sacrifices have been made to try and modernise the site. Sacrifices that include my hard won CC's and the SC's too!! I liked how things had evolved before but I supppose its impossible to go back and recalculate everything. Maybe we could ammend the current system somewhat, but if the general concensus is that people dont care too much then I suppose there is little to do but keep on posting.

Nah I'm sure if enough people understand what I'm saying they will want to either change back or at least make changes to this system.

At the end of the day if we are going to have a reputation system at all we should make sure its a fair one that rewards everybody for the contribution they make to the site.

A lot of people wont care at all but its still nice for for everyones contribution to be fairly acknowledged.

Your rep is now half of what it once was, many others have suffered much worse.

I dont think what you are saying is terribly difficult to comprehend. It all makes sense enough. Personally I wish nothing had changed regarding the CC system. It worked and any newcomer could join in and start climbing if they worked hard. Take El Gamo and ICB. They joined at a later point than me and worked their way on through. It took time and a lot of effort and it was good how that worked. Now it is too easy to climb up and takes little real effort. If you have been inactive then you start from scratch. It isnt fair. No.

Perhaps we could have a poll to gauge opinion about the system and how people would prefer the system to be. My vote would be for ammendment or else the old system to make a comeback. Im an outdated old fuddy duddy though so Im not sure if others would be inclined to agree!!

[Gandalf]

I made my case already on the system and Saddo was gracious enough to compromise by the amout of reps you can give someone.

here is the excerp from my thread last week and the chorus of boos I recieved from the pagans dancing around the golden cow of Rep as I went to the mountain to grab the Saddo 10 commandments

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rep-thing.html

Seems like there are alot of unearned rep going on here were we used to wear our clicks good or bad like a badge of honor that you earned for spending time advancing the forum and keeping this place ace with debating and opinion exchanging, you earned your clicks by quality posting and putting your time in... now you have guys with half the posts and time served of veteran established members that have more rep and punch power.

I dont get all bent out of shape about this click and rep thing and take it personal but If it didnt exist at all I wouldnt care but since it is part of the forum society then it seems like the vets are getting the short end. I mean if guests are surfing the board and we are all on display seems like whats a veteran get for all the time and effort that a newb or less number poster cant by kissing ass and grouping together with others.. Seems a bit flawed thats all, I know there are a bizillion other benefits to the new forum but this was an observation that I agreed with Snakey on another thread

Good luck with your crusade Baggins, I am afraid that our fellow Saddonians are drunk with lust from the reps. like Harlots who spread it around without shame

Excellent points, JT. Between us we have a pretty good case going.

[Kev]

Im geared towards the old system, but ultimately come on here to make a few bad predictions and have a word or two with the English speaking world. My lack of power punch isnt gonna get me down too much. Thats just me though. It is unfair that contributions made over a long time are only really reflected in post counts now. Anyone can post a lot, but there is no indication regarding the quality of those posts or the respect given by others at those points in time. A case of in with the new and out with the old there.

Sacrifices have been made to try and modernise the site. Sacrifices that include my hard won CC's and the SC's too!! I liked how things had evolved before but I supppose its impossible to go back and recalculate everything. Maybe we could ammend the current system somewhat, but if the general concensus is that people dont care too much then I suppose there is little to do but keep on posting.

Nah I'm sure if enough people understand what I'm saying they will want to either change back or at least make changes to this system.

At the end of the day if we are going to have a reputation system at all we should make sure its a fair one that rewards everybody for the contribution they make to the site.

A lot of people wont care at all but its still nice for for everyones contribution to be fairly acknowledged.

Your rep is now half of what it once was, many others have suffered much worse.

I dont think what you are saying is terribly difficult to comprehend. It all makes sense enough. Personally I wish nothing had changed regarding the CC system. It worked and any newcomer could join in and start climbing if they worked hard. Take El Gamo and ICB. They joined at a later point than me and worked their way on through. It took time and a lot of effort and it was good how that worked. Now it is too easy to climb up and takes little real effort. If you have been inactive then you start from scratch. It isnt fair. No.

Perhaps we could have a poll to gauge opinion about the system and how people would prefer the system to be. My vote would be for ammendment or else the old system to make a comeback. Im an outdated old fuddy duddy though so Im not sure if others would be inclined to agree!!

Cheers Miles, glad you are stepping up! I think a poll would be a great idea, but lets wait until Saddo speaks on this and hopefully if he is agreeable let him run a poll and or decide what we should do.

If I make a poll a lot of people will just abuse me without even reading the postings!

I think Saddo will understand where we are coming from though having created the site and obviously being here since the beginnning!

If people like JT Rock and others speak up as well hopefully something can be done.

It seems like everyone who has posted, even those who think I'm sad for caring either way, agree that this new system is flawed, so if half the people agree with me, and the other half dont care either way then maybe Saddo will be pursuaded to revert back to the tried and true Saddo formulae.

The phrase if it ain't broke don't fix it is very apt in this case!

And lets not forget that this problem is only going to get worse and worse as peoples punch power increases daily.

I calculated my punch power by Christmas will be well over 5000!

That means I could welcome a newbie and with one fucking punch give him a higher rep than CutMeMick has now

Completely fucking nuts!

Within a couple years if Wacko doesnt come back he wont make the top 1000.......seriously!

[Gandalf]

Yes, best to leave it all in Saddos hands really. By trying to envisage how things could be in 6 months time, then yes, some of the power punch ratings could get seriously screwy and not representative of how the site has evolved over a long, long time.

[Kev]

Yes, best to leave it all in Saddos hands really. By trying to envisage how things could be in 6 months time, then yes, some of the power punch ratings could get seriously screwy and not representative of how the site has evolved over a long, long time.

The funny thing is in time people will start to 'get it' but by then it will be too late.

At least now it's early enough to be put right.

I don't think anybody will want a system where most people have several times more punch power than they have posts but that is where we are heading!

[AdamGB]

What you've got to remember too bilbo is that before the forum changed over I actually had closer to 8000 posts but I seem to have lost some...

7500 odd posts and about 750 ccs maybe? and now they're all gone! : 0

I'm still 1337 though...

[Kev]

What you've got to remember too bilbo is that before the forum changed over I actually had closer to 8000 posts but I seem to have lost some...

7500 odd posts and about 750 ccs maybe? and now they're all gone! : 0

I'm still 1337 though...

Yeah its guys like you who I'm thinking of particularly when I look at this new system.

You were once one of the top 15 or posters on the site and deservedly so, now after just a month of this system you only just make the top 50, your 49th I now have almost 5 times the reputation you have

Considering the number of years you've been here that just completely sucks imo.

I really like some of the new posters we have but for someone with under 300 posts (and this insn't a knock on you Diane I think you are a GREAT new poster )to be have the 24th highest rep out of almost 4500 members is just insane.

It's just a monthly popularity contest now, and the spreading the rep feature makes it even worse.

I can't even describe how much I think this new system sucks

[Douglas]

i get what you're saying..

i've def reaped the benefits of the rep system, obviously..

I think that if there is going to be something done about it then it needs to happen quick before things get that much out of hand..

only like 10-15 people including myself have had huge increases from not having too much rep..(i think i had like 65 ccs to 16 scs)

Exactly my point buddy! It HAS to be addressed now because it will get worse really fast.

The situation could be that a member like myself Mick or Gamo could leave for a few weeks and our reputations would have plummeted to be replaced by people with less than 1000 posts!

It just doesn't make any sense!

Perhaps it's Saddo's way of saying "DON'T LEAVE!"

[RozzySean]

Exactly my point buddy! It HAS to be addressed now because it will get worse really fast.

The situation could be that a member like myself Mick or Gamo could leave for a few weeks and our reputations would have plummeted to be replaced by people with less than 1000 posts!

It just doesn't make any sense!

I see your point to a degree, but quit being such a bitch. You have a punch power of 60 and a rep of nearly 5K based on 10k posts. Most quality posters have a rep to post rate of about 1:3. Yours is almost 1:2. Why does it matter one bit? Everybody knows that you, Gamo, Mick, Sheep (who has been largely inactive lately, VD, and Gorilla, and a handful of others are saddo legends and staples of this site. If you need some magic number to validate that, it's pretty sad. Please move out of your mothers hobbit hole and get some self-esteem

I don't hear Taeth bitching about his rep or power, and he's one of the most interesting posters on the site and at one time, he was one of the most active. I've been around since 2005 and I had 10 CC's for every 1 SC before the switch, and I'm punching like a Flyweight right now. Do I give a damn? No.

The only problem is that people who suck up to guys with high PP's can get their own reps up too soon, but with Saddo's new system where you have give a smaller amount of reps, it's nobodys fault except the longtime, hardcore members if they inflate newbie's too high too soon. People with 20+ punchpower need to thing twice before they throw full rep to newbs and they should make a point to boost up the reps of the people they feel deserve it. You can't go around using the new system like we used CC's and SC's. It's not the system, it's they way users are handling the system.

And FYI, not all 1000 post are equal. Some people constantly post very short, insignificant posts and rack up their number very quickly. If you were to take the total number of my words in 975 posts, or whatever I have, you would find that I've contributed more to this site than a heck of a lot of people with twice the posts. Who gives a rat's ass? The posters who matter know and respect my posts and that's all that matters to me.

I'm not whining for myself! I have a great reputation!

It's for all the others that I'm raising this point, for people like Taeth and Big H and YOU for example who had great reputations before but who have lost them because they havn't been so active since we had the new system!!!

If under the new system you had a great reputation and now you don't then this new system has failed you to some degree, would you not agree?

It's not a big deal in the scheme of things but I'm just trying to help make the site the fairest it can be for everyone.

Why call me a bitch? I'm trying to do what's right for everybody, it doesn't benefit me in the slightest?

Sorry, man, I was drunk and trying to be funny. I wasn't being serious, at least about you being a bitch, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I know I PM'd you most of this, I wanted to issue a public apology.

I do agree with you mostly, but in all seriousness, I was trying to raise the point that the rep doesn't really doesn't matter much in the greater scheme of things. The old system had flaws, too, especially the random, anonomous sad click. Example - Violent Demise had a horrible CC/SC rating because he pisses people off, but he's a good poster and valuable member of the site. Same with Taeth, I think. Everybody on the site knows they are good posters. People with strong/contraversial opinions often suffered. God help you if you criticized Hatton or the Klitchkos! Bring on the SC's. Of my sad clicks on the old system, I think maybe 2 people had the balls to post why they SC's me.

I do think all the heavy hitters need use there punch power more wisely ie Gorilla and the prediction contest, but that comes down to individuals. It would be great if you were to beat to drum for individual posters with big PP's to not artifically boost up newbs to quick. Also, I think the "spread it around" is a bit annoying at times, because sometimes a person has good run of posts and I should be able to reward them again without finding excused to give rep just for sake of giving rep.

But still, who cares? We all know who the good posters are. I wouldn't care if they stopped the whole system all together. I don't need to see a rep number to tell me who knows about boxing.

[AdamGB]

5 times my rep of me bilbo?! it must be flawed! :P
To be honest I'm not all that bothered about post counts etc... that's why I haven't chased my old one back up but there was nothing wrong with cool clicks and I still type 'cc' instead of rep a lot of the time...

[Kev]

5 times my rep of me bilbo?! it must be flawed! :P
To be honest I'm not all that bothered about post counts etc... that's why I haven't chased my old one back up but there was nothing wrong with cool clicks and I still type 'cc' instead of rep a lot of the time...

I just miss the old coolclicks, it was something entirely unique to Saddo's and had a proud tradition

[Kev]

I see your point to a degree, but quit being such a bitch. You have a punch power of 60 and a rep of nearly 5K based on 10k posts. Most quality posters have a rep to post rate of about 1:3. Yours is almost 1:2. Why does it matter one bit? Everybody knows that you, Gamo, Mick, Sheep (who has been largely inactive lately, VD, and Gorilla, and a handful of others are saddo legends and staples of this site. If you need some magic number to validate that, it's pretty sad. Please move out of your mothers hobbit hole and get some self-esteem

I don't hear Taeth bitching about his rep or power, and he's one of the most interesting posters on the site and at one time, he was one of the most active. I've been around since 2005 and I had 10 CC's for every 1 SC before the switch, and I'm punching like a Flyweight right now. Do I give a damn? No.

The only problem is that people who suck up to guys with high PP's can get their own reps up too soon, but with Saddo's new system where you have give a smaller amount of reps, it's nobodys fault except the longtime, hardcore members if they inflate newbie's too high too soon. People with 20+ punchpower need to thing twice before they throw full rep to newbs and they should make a point to boost up the reps of the people they feel deserve it. You can't go around using the new system like we used CC's and SC's. It's not the system, it's they way users are handling the system.

And FYI, not all 1000 post are equal. Some people constantly post very short, insignificant posts and rack up their number very quickly. If you were to take the total number of my words in 975 posts, or whatever I have, you would find that I've contributed more to this site than a heck of a lot of people with twice the posts. Who gives a rat's ass? The posters who matter know and respect my posts and that's all that matters to me.

I'm not whining for myself! I have a great reputation!

It's for all the others that I'm raising this point, for people like Taeth and Big H and YOU for example who had great reputations before but who have lost them because they havn't been so active since we had the new system!!!

If under the new system you had a great reputation and now you don't then this new system has failed you to some degree, would you not agree?

It's not a big deal in the scheme of things but I'm just trying to help make the site the fairest it can be for everyone.

Why call me a bitch? I'm trying to do what's right for everybody, it doesn't benefit me in the slightest?

Sorry, man, I was drunk and trying to be funny. I wasn't being serious, at least about you being a bitch, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I know I PM'd you most of this, I wanted to issue a public apology.

I do agree with you mostly, but in all seriousness, I was trying to raise the point that the rep doesn't really doesn't matter much in the greater scheme of things. The old system had flaws, too, especially the random, anonomous sad click. Example - Violent Demise had a horrible CC/SC rating because he pisses people off, but he's a good poster and valuable member of the site. Same with Taeth, I think. Everybody on the site knows they are good posters. People with strong/contraversial opinions often suffered. God help you if you criticized Hatton or the Klitchkos! Bring on the SC's. Of my sad clicks on the old system, I think maybe 2 people had the balls to post why they SC's me.

I do think all the heavy hitters need use there punch power more wisely ie Gorilla and the prediction contest, but that comes down to individuals. It would be great if you were to beat to drum for individual posters with big PP's to not artifically boost up newbs to quick. Also, I think the "spread it around" is a bit annoying at times, because sometimes a person has good run of posts and I should be able to reward them again without finding excused to give rep just for sake of giving rep.

But still, who cares? We all know who the good posters are. I wouldn't care if they stopped the whole system all together. I don't need to see a rep number to tell me who knows about boxing.

No worries man, apology accepted