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Was reading in Sun today that Pete Buckley is finally to retire. His final record 31-249-11. He hasn't won in five years though its worth pointing out he was only ever stopped 10 times.
A legendary journeyman he has saved promoter's asses many times when he steps in at late notice for injured fighters.
He has shared the ring with people like Hamed, Freitas, Rees, Scott Harrison etc..
Have a good retirement mate - you deserve it ;)
Here's his record
Peter Buckley
He chose to go the route of quick opponent. He may have been on to something. As you can tell by his record, he never had a hard time landing a fight.
I bet he made some decent money over the years also.
Have a good one Peter god bless. :)
The last few years of Peter isnt what its about Tedious is how I saw it. I remember him starting a good Fighter who at his best was a handfull for anybody, thats a fact. He boxed a few of my lads and you coulnt take the piss. Ive known Peter a long time through the curciut, a great lad. He owes Boxing nothing, Boxing owes Peter good luck for the future thanks for the memories.
Buckley is a guy that many view fondly.
However I'm sorry I've got to nitpick.
Many recall he shared a ring with Hamed, Harrisson, Freitas and Rees.
He didn't fight those fighters without gaining some expierience.
His mentality was not to learn however, it was to make money.
I don't know much about him but I imagine family pressures and needing to have a regular income meant he needed to fight every few weeks in order to provide for his family.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Not everyone can be an contender. He's probably still had a great career really, I mean he'll be able to tell his grandkids he shared the ring with some of Britain's finest fighters of his generation.
True he may have lost them all but at least he was in there. The best most of us will be able to say is that we shook a fighters hand when we went to a boxing match ;)
In your post Bilbo you seem resigned to that fact.
As Buckley was resigned to the fact that he would never become anyone great. He accepted that.
I believe a true fighter would never surrender their ambition.
I realise that to him it's just a living. With that amount of losses it's clear he doesn't really care about fighting all that much
I don't know, maybe he just didn't get the chance. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
You obviously know better than me how the system works but I expect that the best he could have realisitically hoped for was modest domestic honours, maybe a British title shot.
Given that that was his limit he probably felt he could make more money fighting regularly for a paycheck rather than fight every 3 or 4 months and have a 30 or 40 fight career.
You're career is just about to take off and you're full of hope and optimism.
Maybe if you lose 3 in a row and realise you'll never be a star but you still love boxing then maybe you'd do the same?
But what am I saying, your Irish all you have to do is turn pro and you'll sell out in Dublin! ;D
I completely understand where you're coming from mate believe me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't know, maybe he just didn't get the chance. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
You obviously know better than me how the system works but I expect that the best he could have realisitically hoped for was modest domestic honours, maybe a British title shot.
Given that that was his limit he probably felt he could make more money fighting regularly for a paycheck rather than fight every 3 or 4 months and have a 30 or 40 fight career.
You're career is just about to take off and you're full of hope and optimism.
Maybe if you lose 3 in a row and realise you'll never be a star but you still love boxing then maybe you'd do the same?
But what am I saying, your Irish all you have to do is turn pro and you'll sell out in Dublin! ;D
I can also identify, who knows I could end up in the same situation soon enough:-\ I just feel in the interests of his own health, there are easier ways.
Tell that to the stable of Nobby Nobbs fighters.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
PB and others like it are the meat of the fight game and it's very a practical way to be. I'm sure most people enter the game with the idea that they can be world class. Most soon realise they aren't and will never be. You have 2 choices.
Walk away from boxing or resign yourself to the fact that you can make regular money in a sport you love. Think of all the might have been, sky sports is full of them :cool: plenty get built up as the next big thing only to be found wanting and most quit. Fighters like PB will probably earn more over their career than those who quit because they'll never be world class.
As I said, I can truely recognise that, but it doesn't take much to be succesful at a domestic level.
Yeah but it's easy for you to say that you live in Ireland ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
The Irish domestic scene lives off the English.
Fightrs mingle a lot.
Often it is a win against a British opponent that will move you up the rankings in Ireland.
As for me personally, will I find it easy? No.
I'm either going to America to train or not at all. Domestic level training and competition is not enough.
Without journeymen you wouldn't get "star" fighters.
Everyone has to learn.
And it doesn't matter how hard you try or how hard you believe YOU WILL achieve something - if you're shit you're shit. And there's fuck all you can do about it.
haha that should be the disclaimer in every Tony Robbins book!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Dunno man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If you travel to a top class gym, get the trainers to help you, live the life and show interest, I think you can transform yourself.
Look at Mickey Rourke...
Of course selective match making, good management and promotion help also.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonnyDunno man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If you travel to a top class gym, get the trainers to help you, live the life and show interest, I think you can transform yourself.
Look at Mickey Rourke...
Of course selective match making, good management and promotion help also.
Gavin Rees, Carlos Maussa, Carlos Baldomir and John Ruiz are all proof that talent isn't everything but that sheer luck and persistance can pay off.
You can't compare "world" champions with journeymen
There is a level of shittiness. :rolleyes:
Tony Robbins? Conman.
Thats true.
Persistance and mental fortitude are evrything in boxing.
They're what made JCC great
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyDunno man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If you travel to a top class gym, get the trainers to help you, live the life and show interest, I think you can transform yourself.
Look at Mickey Rourke...
Of course selective match making, good management and promotion help also.
The second part you got right.
"If you travel to a top class gym, get the trainers to help you, live the life and show interest, I think you can transform yourself.
Look at Mickey Rourke...
Of course selective match making, good management and promotion help also."
yes that will go a long way but you can't tell me that with all of the above you could turn Nicky Cook in to a Barrera/Morales/Marquez/Pacquiao? :confused: I really don't see that happening.
I do, it's how they're raised in the sport in my opinion.
Nice little nature/nurture debate going on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
My own opinion is that nature accounts for maybe 25% of a boxers talent, nurture another 25% but that at least 50% comes from the scientifically unmeasurable quality known as individual human will.
Bilbo I think we're onto the same train of thought here.
A fighters mentality plays a dramatic part in his development.
A fighter needs to be balanced and centred.
I believe Marco Antonio Barrera was a good example.
Not a great natural athlete.But one knew he would become a success due to his sheer will and determination.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
When ever some guy commits a crime or screams about life being unfair and too difficult to make an honest living they should show them a picture of Buckley and his carrer...No harder way to put food on the table then the way he did it...Made an honest living and has nothing to be ashamed of...IMO he was damn tough....10 KO's losses in almost 300 fights...
Um, used to play football, runs marathons in his spare time. I'd call that athletic.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I have no idea of the ratio but it is no doubt a combination of nature/nurture. I just think young Donny is seeing it from his own POV, nothing wrong with that ambition.;)
I have posted on more than one ocaision ref Peter buckley he has been a great servant to boxing for the last 20 odd years & given many an up & coming boxer a good learning fight & far from slagging him off he should be praised for his contribution most times he came in at days sometimes hours notice to save a show without the likes of boxers in the Buckley mould many shows would be cancelled. I hope he stays in boxing what better guy to teach the art of self defencehttp://www.joecalzaghe.com/forum/icon_reply_topic.gif
Yeah good for you donny. A positively positive attitude is the way forward.
Solace in a bottle job by 26. Odds-on.
Just looking at the natural ability thing!!!!
Andy Lee; 3 National Titles
John Duddy; 1 National Title
Paul McCloskey; 3 National TITLES
Barry McGuigan; 2 or 3 National Titles
Hitman Donny; 3 National Titles at 20.
I like my odds.
Just joking son. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
If that's the case I like your odds too.
So you're actually quite handy? I didn't realise that. What's your name?
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Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyDunno man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If you travel to a top class gym, get the trainers to help you, live the life and show interest, I think you can transform yourself.
Look at Mickey Rourke...
Of course selective match making, good management and promotion help also.
Gavin Rees, Carlos Maussa, Carlos Baldomir and John Ruiz are all proof that talent isn't everything but that sheer luck and persistance can pay off.
OK I know I am going to get some WTF have you lost your mind remarks for this but...Ruiz was a talented fighter with a boring style
WTF ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Gavin Rees, Carlos Maussa, Carlos Baldomir and John Ruiz are all proof that talent isn't everything but that sheer luck and persistance can pay off.
OK I know I am going to get some WTF have you lost your mind remarks for this but...Ruiz was a talented fighter with a boring style
_ 3% MAKE IT The odds arnt good Boxing is a strange mix
I'm decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterJust joking son. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
If that's the case I like your odds too.
So you're actually quite handy? I didn't realise that. What's your name?
I rank as a good amateur, but it's the pros that interest me.
I love the pro game and thats what I apsire to!
You can check my name on the article on the front page.;D
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Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI'm decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterJust joking son. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
If that's the case I like your odds too.
So you're actually quite handy? I didn't realise that. What's your name?
I rank as a good amateur, but it's the pros that interest me.
I love the pro game and thats what I apsire to!
You can check my name on the article on the front page.;D
Spend as much time in the amateurs as possible without being kicked out due to olld age...I have faith in you Donny once you turn pro...Even though I never seen you fight...You seem determined...and a top notch guy
Just try to get at least 100 amateur bouts under you before even debating the pro ranks.....Even more if possible no matter how well you do...I want to write about you in the future as a champion and not a could have been;)
Thanks very much Daxx....
I'm attempting that as we speak really.
I think I'm spending a year and a half more in the ams...and with the help of God that should mean 20-30 more fights, so I'll hopefully gain plenty.
I honestly reckon Donny will be huge in the pro ranks. He's a good looking Irish boy and he only needs to be half way decent for him to establish a huge following.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI'm decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I rank as a good amateur, but it's the pros that interest me.
I love the pro game and thats what I apsire to!
You can check my name on the article on the front page.;D
Spend as much time in the amateurs as possible without being kicked out due to olld age...I have faith in you Donny once you turn pro...Even though I never seen you fight...You seem determined...and a top notch guy
Just try to get at least 100 amateur bouts under you before even debating the pro ranks.....Even more if possible no matter how well you do...I want to write about you in the future as a champion and not a could have been;)
You just need to think up a catchphrase Donny. Dunne has his 'hunkey dorey!' you need something similar and then you're in.
Win your first 5 pro fights and by 2010 you'll be selling out Madison Square Garden :cool:
Thanks guys, your support means a lot.
I just want to compete in the pros. Every fight in the pros will be an extension of my dream coming true.
And I can guarantee you guys one thing, when I do get in the ring you'll see some exciting fights.
If I win I'll win well, but if I'm to be beaten Im gonna end up like Gatti!
I have posted on more than one occaision ref Peter buckley he has been a great servant to boxing for the last 20 odd years & given many an up & coming boxer a good learning fight & far from slagging him off he should be praised for his contribution most times he came in at days sometimes hours notice to save a show without the likes of boxers in the Buckley mould many shows would be cancelled. I hope he stays in boxing what better guy to teach the art of self defence