Margarito wrecked Cintron and suspicions of Steward were confirmed

I wanted Kermit to win, so I was wincing every round of that fight cause Tony didn't stop battering him for a second.

Yet again we see Steward in the corner being completely ineffective because none of his fighters feel comfortable with him or confident in him.

Steward has got to get his act together as a trainer. His only winner Wlad is like a sedative. His 2nd coming Andy Lee got spanked. Jermain Taylor left him and then had one of his best fights right after (the controversial pavlik rematch).

I think he is being disrespectful to the fighters he trains by having so many of them. There is no way he can spread himself out that much and still be effective. He's just going to continue to get good fighters and make them lose or become boring. There are many better trainers out there, Steward is just a name until he concentrates more on actual training.

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I wanted Kermit to win, so I was wincing every round of that fight cause Tony didn't stop battering him for a second.

Yet again we see Steward in the corner being completely ineffective because none of his fighters feel comfortable with him or confident in him.

Steward has got to get his act together as a trainer. His only winner Wlad is like a sedative. His 2nd coming Andy Lee got spanked. Jermain Taylor left him and then had one of his best fights right after (the controversial pavlik rematch).

I think he is being disrespectful to the fighters he trains by having so many of them. There is no way he can spread himself out that much and still be effective. He's just going to continue to get good fighters and make them lose or become boring. There are many better trainers out there, Steward is just a name until he concentrates more on actual training.

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Valid points Cortez, but I don't care who the trainer is when someone with an elementary mentality goes into a fight with a quitters mind.

I see your point cortez, I think stewart wasted jermain taylors potential. J.T could of been a monster but that akwardness of having stewart imo somehow held him back.

Gotta agree with Legion,Cintron was seeing Ghost's.He was not even hearing Manny

I told you folks the Eman is bad luck. I would not want him any where near my corner.

Tony has a tough beard. I knew Tony was going to beat Cintron down again.

Yeah he's a bit of a curse at the moment, but don't the fighters pick the trainer?

Fighters make trainers, not the other way round. Those guys could have swapped trainers for this fight and the result would have been exactly the same. The lord god almighty could have been training Kermit and he still would have got his ass kicked.

Cintron looked like an amateur boxer who relies only on his power. Manny is still a great trainer he has just been working with fighters who dont have the right mental makeup lately.

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.:rolleyes:

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Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.:rolleyes:

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I think you've been playing too much Connect 4 Rob :p

I watched the fight twice and unless both the live stream and the version I downloaded from WBVA had Manny super imposed in the corner he was definitely there.

He was even telling Cintron that Margarito was tiring in the third round :rolleyes:

Try watching it again and then pay attention to Cintron's corner in between rounds ;)

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Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.:rolleyes:

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I think you've been playing too much Connect 4 Rob :p

I watched the fight twice and unless both the live stream and the version I downloaded from WBVA had Manny super imposed in the corner he was definitely there.

He was even telling Cintron that Margarito was tiring in the third round :rolleyes:

Try watching it again and then pay attention to Cintron's corner in between rounds ;)

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I disagree with some of you. Manny may have been on Cintron's Corner and he may have been giving him instructions but they were just the wrong instructions. Cintron was listening it was just that Manny was giving bad advice.

Manny kept telling Cintron to move forward a keep shooting the right hand even though it was abundantly clear that Cintron was having much more success when he stayed outside and landed on Margarito as he came to him.

Steward is definitely on a bad roll right now. As I've said here before, I think Steward is a great heavyweight trainer, but he's somewhat overrated in the lower weight classes.

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I disagree with some of you. Manny may have been on Cintron's Corner and he may have been giving him instructions but they were just the wrong instructions. Cintron was listening it was just that Manny was giving bad advice.

Manny kept telling Cintron to move forward a keep shooting the right hand even though it was abundantly clear that Cintron was having much more success when he stayed outside and landed on Margarito as he came to him.

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Most of what Steward was telling Cintron WAS to stay outside and box him. That was mainly what he telling him all night. Kermits just not a skilled boxer at all. Cintron just came undone like the first fight and fell apart. The one think Manny should have stressed more was for Cintron to stop bringing his head down.

I think a lot of you are being too hard on Manny. With the Jermain thing, I dont think that was entirely his fault because Jermain has been with the same trainer for so long, it was stupid of him to leave and try to change things up like that. With Kermit, he wasn't going to beat Margarito regardless of what advice Manny gave him. He didnt have the defense skills to outbox Margarito. He was trying to dance out of the way and he was still getting bombed.

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Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.:rolleyes:

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Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tation_neg.gif Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

LOL! Cant believe he neg repped you over that. Must have been another black yoda-lookin fellow in Cintron's corner

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Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.:rolleyes:

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Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tation_neg.gif Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

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Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight:D I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone:rolleyes:

yeh, Just watched the fight for about the 5th time ;D and Manny was definatley there, in between Instructions there he was....dabbing Kermits eyes and testing the milks warmpth on his wrist...:-X

Manny Steward is a great trainer...you don't always have great fighters to work with.


Cintron is very talented but his psyche is fragile and his defense is horrible. He didn't look like a Kronk fighter, he didn't box, he was pulled into a brawl and Manny's fighters don't brawl, they are boxer/punchers.


I think there is more blame for Cintron than for Manny....what Manny has done with Wladimir is big Wlad had tools and skills but Manny made him a very complete fighter with a dominating jab. If Cintron is to continue his career he's going to need to listen and learn from Manny.


Margarito looks ripe for Miguel Cotto...his long arms won't help him brawling with Cotto.

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Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.:rolleyes:

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Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tation_neg.gif Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

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Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight:D I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone:rolleyes:

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I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.:rolleyes: :rofmaoal:

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight. ;D

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

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Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tation_neg.gif Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

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Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight:D I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone:rolleyes:

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I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.:rolleyes: :rofmaoal:

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight. ;D

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

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Good on you to apologize.

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Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tation_neg.gif Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

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Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight:D I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone:rolleyes:

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I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.:rolleyes: :rofmaoal:

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight. ;D

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

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It's ok Welshdevil. That is kind of a funny mistake you made..

No hard feelings.


Just ignore the inflammatory pm i sent you ;D

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Manny Steward is a great trainer...you don't always have great fighters to work with.


Cintron is very talented but his psyche is fragile and his defense is horrible. He didn't look like a Kronk fighter, he didn't box, he was pulled into a brawl and Manny's fighters don't brawl, they are boxer/punchers.


I think there is more blame for Cintron than for Manny....what Manny has done with Wladimir is big Wlad had tools and skills but Manny made him a very complete fighter with a dominating jab. If Cintron is to continue his career he's going to need to listen and learn from Manny.


Margarito looks ripe for Miguel Cotto...his long arms won't help him brawling with Cotto.

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Manny could have talked till he was blue in the face but it would not have mattered with Cintron.He looked uncomfortable and tentative at range and Margarito was closing on him so much he froze on the inside where his body was wrecked.

Cintrons showed some sort of toughness/stubbornness just to make into the 6th but his problems are upstairs not physical Imo.

I really think Manny was not certain of His desire.He was Imploring him almost desperately ...early on it was "walk forward" and between the 5-6 it was "you got to try to box..he has a good chin..you've got to box this round" I think he knew what was coming. Just give me Margarito Vs. Cotto NOW.

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Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight:D I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone:rolleyes:

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I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.:rolleyes: :rofmaoal:

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight. ;D

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

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It's ok Welshdevil. That is kind of a funny mistake you made..

No hard feelings.


Just ignore the inflammatory pm i sent you ;D

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Haha Yeh I sensed from the Pm you weren't a happy man.;D

The worst thing is I was watching the fight and thinking "why haven't they mentioned the 1st fight?" and kept wondering why Atlas and the other commentator were talking about "Cintrons long lay-off".
Not once did it sink in that I was watching the wrong fight.:rolleyes:

I even posted the link I found on other sites so I dare say a few others are watching it without Manny in the corner. :lol:

I still think Emanuel Steward is a one dimensional coach, who can teach only one type of fighter. Taylor almost had that make-up, but both Taylor and Cintron don't have the defense to really stand in that and pick apart the opponent with the jab. I think like somebody else said Emanuel has had the best talent to work with while guys like guys like Buddy IMO are better coaches, but they are working with guys who have limited talent or motivation. Now that Emanuel is coaching limited fighters it is easy to see why he isn't the best coach.

However being a good coach isn't about picking prospects and taking them as your own. It's about making somebody in a strong fundamentally sound fighter, like FMSR did with Floyd, and like Bouie Fisher did with Hopkins. Those are good coaches because they build their fighters. FMSR has done a great job with Guzman and ODLH... their defense is so much better since he joined their camp, and that is the only key incredients a lot of these guys need. If you ask me I think Cintron should go to Floyd Snr if he wants to become good.

manny is still a top class trainer but has become a victim of his own success, there are many boxer who want him to train them, as a result he doesnt seem as able to do a great job anymore, also its had a snowball effect with his fighters loseing back to back and maybe the others he trains have lost fatih in his methods

he's still one of the best out there tho

Another problem with Emanuel is of late he has been picking good athletes for fighters, opposed to good fighters with not just athletic ability, but heart, ability to learn new things, and that drive to succeed. I think Wlad has it, but Cintron doesn't, Taylor doesn't seem to be able to truly change his style, and Andy Lee didn't pace himself or have the heart/conditioning to stay strong later on.

SO back to the topic..

I thought it was also telling that RIGHT after the Cintron fight Emanuel was on camera and then also announcing for the Cotto-Gomez fight.

When you are in the ring and taking that risk you need to have trust in your trainer. If you dont trust him you wont listen. And if you trainer is doing a billion other things, even distracted to have to get ready to announce right after your fight...how much trust can you have in a guy like Steward?

When you are getting mauled in the ring and your trainer is telling you to "box"...why doesnt Steward offer more constructive and specific advice? b/c he doesn't know his fighter and his mind is not on the match! Did he really think Cintron was going to be able to "flick" the jab all night and eventually land a monstrous right hand that would stop Margarito in his tracks? CIntron was lost from round 1 and the legendary Steward has shown once again he is becoming more and more ineffective as a trainer!

You can say it's the boxer's fault for picking Steward. But thats what I mean that Steward is just getting by on his name now and not his talent. I'm sure many boxers would benefit from a no-name trainer who has personal interest in them and a bond with them then a "designer" trainer like Steward has become.

Teath, most trainers train a style and body types and certain types of athletes fight certain styles better....ie you wouldn't train Mike Tyson like Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko.


Manny has proven over the years that the tall, slender, and athletic fighters use his style best: Hearns, Lewis, McClellan, Wlad, McCallum, etc.


Look at who Kevin Rooney trains and tell me he doesn't go for a stereotypical kind of fighter...or McGirt or Roach or anyone else.

An Emmanuel Steward fighter that doesn't know how to hold :confused:

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I wanted Kermit to win, so I was wincing every round of that fight cause Tony didn't stop battering him for a second.

Yet again we see Steward in the corner being completely ineffective because none of his fighters feel comfortable with him or confident in him.

Steward has got to get his act together as a trainer. His only winner Wlad is like a sedative. His 2nd coming Andy Lee got spanked. Jermain Taylor left him and then had one of his best fights right after (the controversial pavlik rematch).

I think he is being disrespectful to the fighters he trains by having so many of them. There is no way he can spread himself out that much and still be effective. He's just going to continue to get good fighters and make them lose or become boring. There are many better trainers out there, Steward is just a name until he concentrates more on actual training.

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Valid points Cortez, but I don't care who the trainer is when someone with an elementary mentality goes into a fight with a quitters mind.

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Getting it right in training with a full focus from your trainer can really help to minimize and help to turn around a quitters mentality...it's a part of the trainers job if required....

It's both mental and physical don't ya think bud..

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I wanted Kermit to win, so I was wincing every round of that fight cause Tony didn't stop battering him for a second.

Yet again we see Steward in the corner being completely ineffective because none of his fighters feel comfortable with him or confident in him.

Steward has got to get his act together as a trainer. His only winner Wlad is like a sedative. His 2nd coming Andy Lee got spanked. Jermain Taylor left him and then had one of his best fights right after (the controversial pavlik rematch).

I think he is being disrespectful to the fighters he trains by having so many of them. There is no way he can spread himself out that much and still be effective. He's just going to continue to get good fighters and make them lose or become boring. There are many better trainers out there, Steward is just a name until he concentrates more on actual training.

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Valid points Cortez, but I don't care who the trainer is when someone with an elementary mentality goes into a fight with a quitters mind.

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Getting it right in training with a full focus from your trainer can really help to minimize and help to turn around a quitters mentality...it's a part of the trainers job if required....

It's both mental and physical don't ya think bud..

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Of course it's both physical and mental; but how is a trainer going to teach a cur boy quitter how to have heart? He can't fight for him when the going gets tough; and once a guy starts to panick and fold for fear of getting an ass whooping, all that training, talk and coddling before the fight won't do a thing for someone who isn't a natural born fighter and has almost no heart.

Maybe Curmit should walk the yellow brick road with Dorothy and ask the Wizard for a heart along with the lion man.
It takes guts to get in the ring; it takes more to actually stay in when things aren't going your way. That dude wanted out of that ring last night at the 4th round. Good riddance.

Manny can only suggest what Cintron should do, he can't fight the fight for him.

Had Cintron boxed, moved, used the 1-2...he would have boxed Margarito's ears off but Margarito was able to wear him down and was simply the tougher man mentally and physically

Cintron was scared going in. And when he landed a straight right early, and Tony kept coming, he remembered why and that was it. After Cintron realized he wasn't going to KO Tony, no trainer ever could have saved him.

I think Manny needs to set himself to where he has at most 2 top fighters. Maybe a 3rd but no more.

I hate to read where people are riding off Manny. When he's created and trained some great fighters from the start.