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How long does Cotto have?
I love watching this guy, but I can't help but wonder with all his wars how much longer Cotto will be able to remain at the top of the sport, I mean at 27 he has already had a number of difficult, wearing fights.
Ricardo Torres
Demarcus Corley
Lovemore N'Dou
Muhammad Abdulaev(this was a pretty tough war)
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley
its not like this is a huge number, but it takes its tole on a fighter. I see hope in that Cotto now uses his jab so effectively that guys like Gomez, and I think even guys like Lovemore will no longer present a problem for Cotto because his jab can now dictate the pace of every fight he is in, especially against slower fighters. That being said he does have good defensive skills IMO, but because he is offensively oriented he is bound to get hit more than guys like RJJ and Mayweather.
Do you guys see him becoming more of a boxer, or does he have 3 or 4 more years left? Or 5-6? Or will he be like Hopkins and fight into his 40's even though Cotto gets hit a lot more than Hopkins used to.
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Long enough to beat Margarito and PBF. With his ever improving style he does not need to engage in a slugfest to win, he can stop fighters in their tracks with just his jab i.e. the Mosley fight. If he has such power with his jab I can just imagine what damage he can inflict with his powerpunch.
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I wouldn't really consider some of those fights 'Wars'
Sure he got tagged for a few rounds against Judah but so have most fighters that have faced Judah. He handled Judah for the rest of the fight. Mosely, again we saw Cotto display some good boxing skills and although it was a competitive fight I feel the word, war, would be misplaced if we were describing that fight.
Cotto just needs to keep doing what he's doing. He's still got a lot of shelf-life and he'll last longer than somebody like a Hatton because he has shown better boxing skills. The first real war I imagine he'll possibly get into is against Antonio Margarito.
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Cotto-Judah was one of the brutal fight I've seen.
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Cotto-Judah was one of the brutal fight I've seen.
Yeah for Judah maybe! I don't think it was a fight that took a lot out of Cotto. Sure if you went by his face then yeah he looked busted up but that was from one uppercut in the first round. No biggie. Cotto won that fight with relative ease.
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Well he's in his prime right now I think that's pretty obvious, seems dedicated it's impossible to time a guy's prime. I'm just glad he developed that jab so he doesn't just walk guys down now. That was his problem versus Torres and Corley, he was walking them down following them around the ring without punching and that's what was putting him in trouble. Now he hasn't had to take all that same punishment. In boxing you can lose your stuff and it's never going to come back, you've peaked. No telling when that is going to happen, no point in really speculating really. I don't know how much past wars factors into that.
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Taeth
I love watching this guy, but I can't help but wonder with all his wars how much longer Cotto will be able to remain at the top of the sport, I mean at 27 he has already had a number of difficult, wearing fights.
There's a difference in difficult fights and a war.
I would have to ask how you determined which fight was a war.
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Ricardo Torres
Def. a war I agree 100%
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Demarcus Corley
Corely had his moments in the fight and Cotto was rocked but I would not consider it a war.
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Lovemore N'Dou
I would not consider this a war. He went the distance with a tough opponent.
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Muhammad Abdulaev(this was a pretty tough war)
Come on this fight a war?
I'm sorry but I think you and I have very different opinons on what a war is.
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Zab Judah
I have no problem with calling this fight a war. Especially in the early rounds. The later rounds were all Cotto IMO and it was one sided.
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Shane Mosley
Hardly a war man.... Very different fight for Cotto he showed another side to his boxing ability and fought well.
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its not like this is a huge number, but it takes its tole on a fighter. I see hope in that Cotto now uses his jab so effectively that guys like Gomez, and I think even guys like Lovemore will no longer present a problem for Cotto because his jab can now dictate the pace of every fight he is in, especially against slower fighters. That being said he does have good defensive skills IMO, but because he is offensively oriented he is bound to get hit more than guys like RJJ and Mayweather.
Do you guys see him becoming more of a boxer, or does he have 3 or 4 more years left? Or 5-6? Or will he be like Hopkins and fight into his 40's even though Cotto gets hit a lot more than Hopkins used to.
I can def. see him around for 5-6 years still. All in all I think he's been in 1 war with Torres and 2 difficult fights where he got rocked vs. Corely & Zab. I really don't see him stopping soon or those things having a major impact.
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It'll be much easier to answer this question two months from now.
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I think Cotto has improved in his style and I think as the general meaning of this topic, his improvement on style might possibly effect how long he stays boxing for...
One thing is that some of his defence is leaky..... I think Cotto fought very well against Judah,,, and Judah definetely put on a show and would have beat lesser opponents that night... But Cotto was open to a lot of counters that night... Judah took advantage of a few and had he had a slightly harder punch and could have taken advantage of them more often.. Cotto would have felt it..
I do think he needs to improve on those small areas.... This is where he is going to have trouble against fighters like Floyd... He can take Floy'd punishment better than Ricky.. Dare I say it he might box floyd better than Ricky did... But still, to beat Floyd, you are going to need to punish him with a LOT of good blows.... And Cotto may have to take a lot of good Floyd blows himself to get all of his off.. He'll take them well, he'll make his count...
But any fighter that matched up against someone like Floyd,,, you can almost gaurantee any of your weakness's will be exposed if you don't get them up to scratch.
That being said, he's improving... And when he beats Margarito and gets a matchup with Floyd then it's something he's going to have to look at even more closely for improvement...
The guy is a fucking machine though, and every single thing he improves is another metal plate being welded on the outside of the tank......
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Taeth
I love watching this guy, but I can't help but wonder with all his wars how much longer Cotto will be able to remain at the top of the sport, I mean at 27 he has already had a number of difficult, wearing fights.
There's a difference in difficult fights and a war.
I would have to ask how you determined which fight was a war.
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Taeth
Ricardo Torres
Def. a war I agree 100%
Corely had his moments in the fight and Cotto was rocked but I would not consider it a war.
I would not consider this a war. He went the distance with a tough opponent.
Come on this fight a war?
I'm sorry but I think you and I have very different opinons on what a war is.
I have no problem with calling this fight a war. Especially in the early rounds. The later rounds were all Cotto IMO and it was one sided.
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Shane Mosley
Hardly a war man.... Very different fight for Cotto he showed another side to his boxing ability and fought well.
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its not like this is a huge number, but it takes its tole on a fighter. I see hope in that Cotto now uses his jab so effectively that guys like Gomez, and I think even guys like Lovemore will no longer present a problem for Cotto because his jab can now dictate the pace of every fight he is in, especially against slower fighters. That being said he does have good defensive skills IMO, but because he is offensively oriented he is bound to get hit more than guys like RJJ and Mayweather.
Do you guys see him becoming more of a boxer, or does he have 3 or 4 more years left? Or 5-6? Or will he be like Hopkins and fight into his 40's even though Cotto gets hit a lot more than Hopkins used to.
I can def. see him around for 5-6 years still. All in all I think he's been in 1 war with Torres and 2 difficult fights where he got rocked vs. Corely & Zab. I really don't see him stopping soon or those things having a major impact.
I was overextending the word war... what I mean was tough fights which all of those fights were. Regardless he has been hit quite a few times especially in fights like the one with Mosley, and that isn't good for any fighter. I think his fight with Mosley was difficult, or at least became difficult later on. His fight with Lovemore N'Dou even though he was never hurt was definitely a difficult fight, same with against Abdulaev. People can make the arguement that some guys are like Holyfield or ALi and have many tough fights in them or like Meldrick Taylor or Gerald McClellan, and they don't have quite so many fights in them
He definitely is getting better, and I know you didn't say this but Cotto has a slim chance to beat Maywheater.
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Dizaster
I think Cotto has improved in his style and I think as the general meaning of this topic, his improvement on style might possibly effect how long he stays boxing for...
One thing is that some of his defence is leaky..... I think Cotto fought very well against Judah,,, and Judah definetely put on a show and would have beat lesser opponents that night... But Cotto was open to a lot of counters that night... Judah took advantage of a few and had he had a slightly harder punch and could have taken advantage of them more often.. Cotto would have felt it..
I do think he needs to improve on those small areas.... This is where he is going to have trouble against fighters like Floyd... He can take Floy'd punishment better than Ricky.. Dare I say it he might box floyd better than Ricky did... But still, to beat Floyd, you are going to need to punish him with a LOT of good blows.... And Cotto may have to take a lot of good Floyd blows himself to get all of his off.. He'll take them well, he'll make his count...
But any fighter that matched up against someone like Floyd,,, you can almost gaurantee any of your weakness's will be exposed if you don't get them up to scratch.
That being said, he's improving... And when he beats Margarito and gets a matchup with Floyd then it's something he's going to have to look at even more closely for improvement...
The guy is a fucking machine though, and every single thing he improves is another metal plate being welded on the outside of the tank......
He is a tank, but Floyd is a finely tuned piece of machinery himself. Both of them are so natural and so talented that its scary, and you can count the mistakes Floyd has done in the ring on one hand in the past 5 years. Floyd is virtually flawless in the ring, Roy made mistakes, Ali made mistakes, Leonard made mistakes, While Floyd isn't as physically talented as them, at least not at WW, he definitely has the other tools that more than make up for his lack of power and size.
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Margarito will have a loud resounding opinion on this question.And The answer Imo.:-X
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Dizaster
I think Cotto has improved in his style and I think as the general meaning of this topic, his improvement on style might possibly effect how long he stays boxing for...
One thing is that some of his defence is leaky..... I think Cotto fought very well against Judah,,, and Judah definetely put on a show and would have beat lesser opponents that night... But Cotto was open to a lot of counters that night... Judah took advantage of a few and had he had a slightly harder punch and could have taken advantage of them more often.. Cotto would have felt it..
I do think he needs to improve on those small areas.... This is where he is going to have trouble against fighters like Floyd... He can take Floy'd punishment better than Ricky.. Dare I say it he might box floyd better than Ricky did... But still, to beat Floyd, you are going to need to punish him with a LOT of good blows.... And Cotto may have to take a lot of good Floyd blows himself to get all of his off.. He'll take them well, he'll make his count...
But any fighter that matched up against someone like Floyd,,, you can almost gaurantee any of your weakness's will be exposed if you don't get them up to scratch.
That being said, he's improving... And when he beats Margarito and gets a matchup with Floyd then it's something he's going to have to look at even more closely for improvement...
The guy is a fucking machine though, and every single thing he improves is another metal plate being welded on the outside of the tank......
He is a tank, but Floyd is a finely tuned piece of machinery himself. Both of them are so natural and so talented that its scary, and you can count the mistakes Floyd has done in the ring on one hand in the past 5 years. Floyd is virtually flawless in the ring, Roy made mistakes, Ali made mistakes, Leonard made mistakes, While Floyd isn't as physically talented as them, at least not at WW, he definitely has the other tools that more than make up for his lack of power and size.
Exactly man.... I can't picture for a second Cotto just openly tearing up Mayweather without the most resistance he will ever face inside that ring for probably his entire career... If Cotto beats Mayweather (hopefully via KO), it could make it one of the great fights in recent boxing history.. Certainly as far as huge moments in boxing goes, Cotto KO'ing Mayweather would almost top the lot for me, as a fan....
But for the very reason that I know how good Floyd is.. and like you said, the word Flawless isn't exhagurating his boxing skills at all..
He may have weakness's, but it'll take one hell of a talented, skilled & tough fighter to exploit them to the point of beating Floyd... And it's hard to see it happening against anyone.. Even Cotto..
But right now, i'm am just absolutely dieing to see these 2 guys face to face...
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torres was the only cotto fight where i genuinely thought he was being out worked and had the potential to be KO`d if he wasnt able to get back to working behind the life jab.
Corley hurt him on several occasions though never truly capitalised, quintana also got in with some stingers early on though never followed it up.
Apart from that though i cant remember ever seeing cotto in danger of being KO`d. Mosley fought too much of a strategic fight, the judah fight however good to watch became very one sided after about 4-5 when zab was no longer able to connect with that straight left and uppercuts.
Id suggest cotto`s style makes him viable to carry on into his mid 30s and if the man really wants to cement a legacy on the sport im guessing he`ll fight at least another 6-8 times in his career!!
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hattonthehammer
torres was the only cotto fight where i genuinely thought he was being out worked and had the potential to be KO`d if he wasnt able to get back to working behind the life jab.
Corley hurt him on several occasions though never truly capitalised, quintana also got in with some stingers early on though never followed it up.
Apart from that though i cant remember ever seeing cotto in danger of being KO`d. Mosley fought too much of a strategic fight, the judah fight however good to watch became very one sided after about 4-5 when zab was no longer able to connect with that straight left and uppercuts.
Id suggest cotto`s style makes him viable to carry on into his mid 30s and if the man really wants to cement a legacy on the sport im guessing he`ll fight at least another 6-8 times in his career!!
I agree , hattonthehammer , also i think that he when get the fight with Floyd , he can make 2-3 fights in JMW 154 , his heigh isnt too enough , but IMO he can make it and then when get his 30-31 he can retire and enjoy everything that he mader in boxing ..........
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Cotto's fight with Torres was a war but judah one for example was not, He lost a couple of the earlier rounds but he dominated from the middle rounds to the end.
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torres was the only cotto fight where i genuinely thought he was being out worked and had the potential to be KO`d if he wasnt able to get back to working behind the life jab.
Corley hurt him on several occasions though never truly capitalised, quintana also got in with some stingers early on though never followed it up.
Apart from that though i cant remember ever seeing cotto in danger of being KO`d. Mosley fought too much of a strategic fight, the judah fight however good to watch became very one sided after about 4-5 when zab was no longer able to connect with that straight left and uppercuts.
Id suggest cotto`s style makes him viable to carry on into his mid 30s and if the man really wants to cement a legacy on the sport im guessing he`ll fight at least another 6-8 times in his career!!
I agree , hattonthehammer , also i think that he when get the fight with Floyd , he can make 2-3 fights in JMW 154 , his heigh isnt too enough , but IMO he can make it and then when get his 30-31 he can retire and enjoy everything that he mader in boxing ..........
spot on macho
Cotto could easily make the transition to 154 and what with the current level of competition at that weight i suspect he`d dominate it just as much as he did at 140 and 147....mad reps coming your way when im able to rep you again.
Mayweather moving up just seems stupid, eventually he is going to find that at a much heavier weight even those snap punches that come from nowhere wont hurt an opponent half as much as it would at his original weight.
Cotto though is your typical ring bully, he`d fit right in at that weight and who knows a possible showdown with ODLH could eventually be on the cards as it seems quite obvious PBF is doing everything to avoid miguel!!
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No it doesn't Mayweather used the same tactics with Hatton, and they fought. He is just allowing the fight to grow into something that will make him the most money possible without allowing himself to get too old to be able to keep up with Cotto. I still don't see fighting Oscar being a whole lot easier than fighting Cotto.
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Taeth
No it doesn't Mayweather used the same tactics with Hatton, and they fought. He is just allowing the fight to grow into something that will make him the most money possible without allowing himself to get too old to be able to keep up with Cotto. I still don't see fighting Oscar being a whole lot easier than fighting Cotto.
Floyd is only fighting once from here on in because he realises he is now the most marketable boxer on the planet and by fighting ODLH now and somebody else lets say next summer he is able to keep the bank balance ticking over and furthermore avoid cotto at every turning.
I dont blame PBF for fighting ODLH over miguel this time around. Too much money involved for too little a risk for floyd to turn it down.Though once he has dispatched of ODLH a 2nd time around and miguel sees off marg the fight HAS to happen otherwise i like most hardcore boxing fans will always remember floyd for avoiding cotto like the plague.
Beat Cotto and floyds legacy is mantained for generations!!!
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Cotto has never really been hurt. He got time to play this little cat mouse game that PBF is playing. Floyd ain't no dummy, Cotto ends careers. IF THIS FIGHT EVER HAPPENS im sure the future for Floyd is still bright in entertainment and acting.
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torres was the only cotto fight where i genuinely thought he was being out worked and had the potential to be KO`d if he wasnt able to get back to working behind the life jab.
Corley hurt him on several occasions though never truly capitalised, quintana also got in with some stingers early on though never followed it up.
Apart from that though i cant remember ever seeing cotto in danger of being KO`d. Mosley fought too much of a strategic fight, the judah fight however good to watch became very one sided after about 4-5 when zab was no longer able to connect with that straight left and uppercuts.
Id suggest cotto`s style makes him viable to carry on into his mid 30s and if the man really wants to cement a legacy on the sport im guessing he`ll fight at least another 6-8 times in his career!!
I agree , hattonthehammer , also i think that he when get the fight with Floyd , he can make 2-3 fights in JMW 154 , his heigh isnt too enough , but IMO he can make it and then when get his 30-31 he can retire and enjoy everything that he mader in boxing ..........
spot on macho
Cotto could easily make the transition to 154 and what with the current level of competition at that weight i suspect he`d dominate it just as much as he did at 140 and 147....mad reps coming your way when im able to rep you again.
Mayweather moving up just seems stupid, eventually he is going to find that at a much heavier weight even those snap punches that come from nowhere wont hurt an opponent half as much as it would at his original weight.
Cotto though is your typical ring bully, he`d fit right in at that weight and who knows a possible showdown with ODLH could eventually be on the cards as it seems quite obvious PBF is doing everything to avoid miguel!!
ye he could definatley move up to 154 i think, but he should onyl really do this any time soon if its to fight oscar, im not too keen on any possible showdowns with the likes of cory spinks or verno phillips :-X
i think he would beast oscar though till a late stoppage, with a nice body shot, hopkins style ;D
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Cotto has never really been hurt. He got time to play this little cat mouse game that PBF is playing. Floyd ain't no dummy, Cotto ends careers. IF THIS FIGHT EVER HAPPENS im sure the future for Floyd is still bright in entertainment and acting.
Depend Mexirican , if Cotto or Margarito win , Floyd have to fight for Unified , he cant escape of that , unless that he retire of boxing like he said " I dont want the boxing retire me , i will retire of boxing ".......;D
But is true he isnt Dummy , but to me is a real Coward if he dont make fight with whoever win between Cotto and Margaro.............;D
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Cotto has been hurt, not sure how that's debatable, he was out on his feet pretty much versus Corley, thankfully Corley's literally one of the worst finishers I've ever seen.
That being said like other people have noted he hasn't really been in that many grueling "war" type fights. I would say the Torres fight was pretty much it. Corley had one big round but didn't sustain it. I've always thought it was overestimated how hurt he was versus Judah and after the first couple rounds it was just a beatdown. The Mosley fight was just a good tough fight.
He also can box well on the back foot, something he might start doing more as his career goes on. He's just now entering his prime IMO although that's obviously a subjective thing.
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Margarito will have a loud resounding opinion on this question.And The answer Imo.:-X
I doubt Cotto is gonna go to war with Margarito. Cotto isn't stupid. He'll try to box, move, keep out of the way, go to the body and if Margarito wilts he'll try to stop him late. But Cotto isn't the type of fighter that would get into a war unless he absolutely had to. And I don't know if Margarito is gonna be able to force him to. I can see Margarito getting frustrated and if he loses the decision say Cotto didn't stand and trade with him. But Cotto is a smarter fighter then people want to give him credit for. He likes to move likes to jab(now) and breaks a fighter down while looking for their weakness.
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Beat Cotto and floyds legacy is mantained for generations!!!
When people say this it always Puzzles me. What has Cotto done that makes him that "great" to put that kind of dent on mayweathers career?
no disrespect to Cotto, but still.
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Beat Cotto and floyds legacy is mantained for generations!!!
When people say this it always Puzzles me. What has Cotto done that makes him that "great" to put that kind of dent on mayweathers career?
no disrespect to Cotto, but still.
True.. I think that one is much more accurate the other way around.... I think beating Mayweather is a LOT bigger event on Cotto's resume,,,, than beating Cotto would be on Mayweathers resume as he goes into retirement..
It's hard to think of many Welters at any time in boxing that you could say would wipe the floyd with Floor.... His Legacy will go down as one of the great ones,,, at least in the eyes of anyone that know anything about boxing..
Sure he won't be remembered for coming out bloodied and beaten, victorious after being through war after war...... But as far as stepping in the ring and coming out on top of his opponent.. Floyd is one of the best in history... He will no doubt be another of those measuring sticks that future fighters are compared to for years to come.
"How would blah blah go against a prime Floyd Mayweather"... It has a ring to it...
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hattonthehammer
Beat Cotto and floyds legacy is mantained for generations!!!
When people say this it always Puzzles me. What has Cotto done that makes him that "great" to put that kind of dent on mayweathers career?
no disrespect to Cotto, but still.
True.. I think that one is much more accurate the other way around.... I think beating Mayweather is a LOT bigger event on Cotto's resume,,,, than beating Cotto would be on Mayweathers resume as he goes into retirement..
It's hard to think of many Welters at
any time in boxing that you could say would wipe the floyd with Floor.... His Legacy will go down as one of the great ones,,, at least in the eyes of anyone that know anything about boxing..
Sure he won't be remembered for coming out bloodied and beaten, victorious after being through war after war...... But as far as stepping in the ring and coming out on top of his opponent.. Floyd is one of the best in history... He will no doubt be another of those measuring sticks that future fighters are compared to for years to come.
"How would blah blah go against a prime Floyd Mayweather"... It has a ring to it...
thing is people like to hold era's against boxers. If a boxer comes through a division and beats everyone and then retires they will say that he didnt fight the best in the division just because they didnt recognize their names.
Mayweather beat the best at 130, at 135 and beat the best at 140(Hatton) even though he beat him at 147 it doesnt matter. And he IS the best at 147. So I don't see why people don't give him credit.
But fans seem to be picky nowadays. They give excuses for Cotto but then try to say he is ready for Mayweather.
Cotto they say "He deserves an easy fight I don't hold it against him" but if Mayweather took an easy fight they would raise holy hell against him.
But you ask why they bash Floyd and not Cotto they say "Floyd is the p4p one and Cotto is just getting started, he can get an easy fight"
So they basically admit that Cotto isnt on Floyd's level, yet they try to act like he is ducking him
Make any sense?
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Taeth
I love watching this guy, but I can't help but wonder with all his wars how much longer Cotto will be able to remain at the top of the sport, I mean at 27 he has already had a number of difficult, wearing fights.
Ricardo Torres
Demarcus Corley
Lovemore N'Dou
Muhammad Abdulaev(this was a pretty tough war)
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley
Do you guys see him becoming more of a boxer, or does he have 3 or 4 more years left? Or 5-6? Or will he be like Hopkins and fight into his 40's even though Cotto gets hit a lot more than Hopkins used to.
Abdulaev? He put on a clinic almost on par with what he did to Gomez. They have the same fighting style except Cotto blasted through Abdulaev's guard 'til he has a swollen forehead. I'd say if he keeps having fights like the ones with Judah and Mosley then he has fewer than five years. Unless Cotto is just one of those guys who naturally lasts. I don't see Cotto revamping his style, ala Gatti, and having success. Cotto needs to eat leather sometimes to get to the other guy.
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Ive seen mayweather make hard work of average opponents.
i honestly cant say the same about cotto as he always risen to the occasion despite the fact he is a very slow starter.
Floyds record is there for all to see, he has beaten everyone there is to beat....just not cotto who has been one of the worlds best fighters for 2-3 years now.
Cotto fought at 140 when floyd was there, cotto is now fighting at 147 which floyd is considered the best at despite the fact cotto has rolled through his opposition (mosley apart that was pretty tough to score) yet floyd has seemed to struggle on occasions.
If the fight eventually never happens it`ll be because floyd is afraid and certainly not cottos fault!!!
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Cotto is just getting started, he's gotten nothing but faster and better over his last couple of fights.
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He's still have full tank of gas. And I don't think he will be refueling pretty soon.
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He's still have full tank of gas. And I don't think he will be refueling pretty soon.
LOLOLOL;D , That sounds Funny ,bro..........;D:lolololol::coolclick: Pacstraight..
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I dont think he has anymore wear and tear on him than the next guy;)
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I love watching this guy, but I can't help but wonder with all his wars how much longer Cotto will be able to remain at the top of the sport, I mean at 27 he has already had a number of difficult, wearing fights.
There's a difference in difficult fights and a war.
I would have to ask how you determined which fight was a war.
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Ricardo Torres
Def. a war I agree 100%
Corely had his moments in the fight and Cotto was rocked but I would not consider it a war.
I would not consider this a war. He went the distance with a tough opponent.
Come on this fight a war?
I'm sorry but I think you and I have very different opinons on what a war is.
I have no problem with calling this fight a war. Especially in the early rounds. The later rounds were all Cotto IMO and it was one sided.
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Shane Mosley
Hardly a war man.... Very different fight for Cotto he showed another side to his boxing ability and fought well.
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its not like this is a huge number, but it takes its tole on a fighter. I see hope in that Cotto now uses his jab so effectively that guys like Gomez, and I think even guys like Lovemore will no longer present a problem for Cotto because his jab can now dictate the pace of every fight he is in, especially against slower fighters. That being said he does have good defensive skills IMO, but because he is offensively oriented he is bound to get hit more than guys like RJJ and Mayweather.
Do you guys see him becoming more of a boxer, or does he have 3 or 4 more years left? Or 5-6? Or will he be like Hopkins and fight into his 40's even though Cotto gets hit a lot more than Hopkins used to.
I can def. see him around for 5-6 years still. All in all I think he's been in 1 war with Torres and 2 difficult fights where he got rocked vs. Corely & Zab. I really don't see him stopping soon or those things having a major impact.
Totally agree with Mick here except his war with Torres he hasn't really ever been in an aging fight, His fight against Ndou he fought on the back foot and was never in any danger, Ndou won some rounds and it wasn't an easy fight, but i still think Cotto was comfortable for majority of the fight and boxed smartly.
I thought Cotto beat up Corley pretty bad except for the 3rd round i think it was, where Corley stunned Cotto with a temple shot and Cotto was in trouble for about 1 minute, i thought it was a pretty easy fight for Cotto.
How was his fight with Abdulauv tough Taeth ?? i only gave Abdulauv 1 round, Cotto countered Abdulauv all night and shut his eye completely forcing him to quit, i wouldn't even call that a tough fight let alone a war.
Cotto vs Judah wasn't a war Judah had a few moments in the early stages where he rocked Cotto, but other than that it was a one sided beat down.
Mosley vs Cotto was a fight that didn't catch fire for me. It was mostly a boxing match with some heat exchanges here and there, Cotto was hurt bad only once in the fight but other than that i never thought he was really hurt.
I think Cotto can carry on for quite along time with his new and improved boxing skill, like i said in the other thread he is patient and works behind his jab a lot more now, and takes less risks which will allow his boxing career to go on for at least a good 5 years no question IMO. Cotto has been rocked but so does every boxer even the grear Sugar Ray Robinson was rocked and dropped early in his career.
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Re: How long does Cotto have?
In his early exploits Cotto was a rugged gunslinger with his heart on his sleeve and his chin on the line.
However, he has evolved. Although retaining his ferocious power and body punching, Cotto has adapted his style, in a manner that protects his chin, decreases wear and tear on his body and allows him to win fights without expending himself as much as he used to.
Much like Marco Antonio Barrera before him, Cotto will ensure his longevity by relying more on boxing skill in the later stages of his career, allowing him a longer reign as one of boxing's most entertaing fighters.
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He will last till the 26th july where he will get brutally KO'd by Antonio Margerito he will do the job Torres and Judah failed to do and he will do it inside 5 rounds.
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Any fighter is one fight away from the end of their career. Don't care who it is. Should Cotto have lots left in him? Certainly. Will he? Don't know. Ask me after Margarito. And this coming from a big Cotto fan.
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He will last till the 26th july where he will get brutally KO'd by Antonio Margerito he will do the job Torres and Judah failed to do and he will do it inside 5 rounds.
Hey my friend do you know what was the fails of Torres and Judah ?
That they really couldnt assimilate the Cottos Power , thats all and Cotto did it , so dont think that Margaro is more hard hitter than them , probably we can put him between them , but you have to think that Margaro isnt dummy he know the price that he would get for find what he want , Did you think on that ?..............;D , Dont Dreams..........;D
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In his early exploits Cotto was a rugged gunslinger with his heart on his sleeve and his chin on the line.
However, he has evolved. Although retaining his ferocious power and body punching, Cotto has adapted his style, in a manner that protects his chin, decreases wear and tear on his body and allows him to win fights without expending himself as much as he used to.
Much like Marco Antonio Barrera before him, Cotto will ensure his longevity by relying more on boxing skill in the later stages of his career, allowing him a longer reign as one of boxing's most entertaing fighters.
Cotto does not protect his chin. Every time Zab wanted it, he got it, with KO-worthy uppercuts. Cotto, fortunately or unfortunately, has an iron chin and just kept coming. Within 5 fights if Cotto keeps getting hit like that you will notice a distinct difference in his ring presence.
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Re: How long does Cotto have?
Cotto himself said in a recent interview that he has about 3 years left. This is coming from a guy who appears to have a scientific approach to his boxing career. Hopefully he will get some incredible match-ups during this stretch and continue to prove himself as the best WW in the world.
