Mikkel Kessler: "If Joe Calzaghe Won't, I'll Fight Pavlik" - Boxing News
Printable View
Bring it on. Would be a cracker!
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about right there!!!:cool: That is the fight I want to see and hoping it would get made. Was hoping maybe Pavlik/Andrade first to see where Pavlik might stand in the SMW, but f#ck it; make the Kessler fight happen.
I'm down with this.
This would be ideal imo, just as i said earlier, this is perfect for Calzaghe because if Kessler won, it would eliminate alot of the "what ifs" with Pavlik. It would be a brilliant fight also.
There both actually similar there both round about the same height, they both throw straight punches right down the pipe. Both mens best punches are the jab, right hand combination. It will be a very close call but i'll give the edge to Pavlik based on the the power advantage, and the work rate advantage. But it could go either way but i'll go with Pavlik by a close 12 round UD.
Pavlik is in the box seat with his career, he has Abraham, Kessler, Mundine, Miranda and maybe Joe will find his balls and fight him too! 2008/9 is looking great at 160/168 lbs.
The jury is still out on Kessler. He's taken too long in my opinion to get back in the ring following his loss to Calzaghe. This leads me to doubt his confidence in himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Hopefully the fight with the unknown warrior can shed some light on that
ALRIGHT! Let's sign this fight! then when we start getting really excited about it, Kessler pulls out from some odd reason...
...Would not be surprised...
I agree it's a toss up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I admire Kessler stepping up and calling out Pavlik, not many are lining up to fight him atm.
I agree that Pavlik has got a few more outs....the power, work rate, and will be pressuring Kessler all night. Kess likes to set the distance and Pavlik will be invading it all night long.
I'd love to see this fight materialize. I'm a fan of Kessler and don't like Pavlik. The two would make a great match up.
I'm the same, I'm a big Kessler fan and I'm not that big a fan of Pavlik because of all the hype (I know it's a stupid reason, especially considering the hype Kessler received in the past). This would be a real toss up for me, I'd love to see it. Both men seem to like to fight at a bit of a distance, Pavlik has a higher work-rate, perhaps more power, but Kessler has better defense and is faster from what I've seen. Both men have great chins, but Kessler showed vulnerablility in his body during the Calzaghe fight, however I don't know if I've seen Kessler hurt like Pavlik was in the first Taylor fight. One thing I think that Kessler would try to do would be to walk Pavlik into right hands and counters, but I don't know if Pavlik would let him be successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The KillerI agree it's a toss up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I admire Kessler stepping up and calling out Pavlik, not many are lining up to fight him atm.
I agree that Pavlik has got a few more outs....the power, work rate, and will be pressuring Kessler all night. Kess likes to set the distance and Pavlik will be invading it all night long.
I'd love to see this fight materialize. I'm a fan of Kessler and don't like Pavlik. The two would make a great match up.
I cannot see Pavlik caring to face Kessler at this point in time. Kessler is just regrouping himself and does not offer anything Pavlik would want.
Calzaghe on the other hand was a huge target in the boxing world. A big enough target where Pavlik was willing to move up in weight for.
Once Kessler gets his feet wet again with a couple good wins, then he becomes a viable top opponent again. One who is worth the jump in weight. Pavlik just won titles in his own weight class. He should not have to chase people around, unless of course they are a bigger fish than he is like Joe.
You can expect a Pavlik vs Kessler fight maybe in 2009 sometime, unless Pavlik decides to move up in weight early.
Sounds good to me. There is really not a whole lot at middle for Pavlik outside of Abraham and maybe Winky. And he's a huge middle so he's going to move up at some point anyway.
Nice stepping up to the plate.
Only problem is I like both of them,I dont know who to root for
I agree ICB it could come down to who could move the other guy backwards and I would probably give the advantage to Pavlik. Call me crazy but I think Pavlik might have the better footwork too which always plays a key role in these type of match ups. That's been my main criticism of Kessler form the longest time and I'm not letting up on it now. Although it is a lot easier to root for Kessler without his groupies around.
This is just a great fight though, if it was made it would probably be second to Cotto-Margarito in most anticipated fights. Like I said though I'm perfectly fine with Pavlik fighting bums at middleweight for as long as he can because he is such an entertaining fighter I would love to see a guy like him dominate the middleweight division the way Hagler and Hopkins did. He just seems like a middleweight champion to me.
But I wouldn't mind if it meant this fight getting made. Did Kessler fight this weekend? Sartison or whatever? I thought I saw something on that. I would like to see his rebound fight and Pavlik against a true 168 before it was made but either way it's fine.
I say bring on Rubio though, I was actually mildly impressed with Rubio on Telefutura. Not impressed enough to see him last with Pavlik but he has improved a lot from the fighter who I saw a couple years ago. Lots of punches, good jab and towards the end he couldn't miss. He's only like 27 too so it makes sense that he did improve. I would guessed him to be in his late 50's based on the number of wins he had.
After him Grady Brewer.
Two aggresive fighters that search for the straight or overhand right, whilst throwing large volumes of punches.
Kessler although enjoying a size advantage in the trunk and abdomen, coupled with his more advanced movement may be slightly behind in terms of acute punching power. However, as both men are possessed of a considerable quantity of the good stuff a KO is possible from either side.
This is a ight that will have fans salivating either side of the Atlantic and one which will be difficult to schedule a venue for giving that Kessler has not previously fought outside of Europe.
Bring it on.
This fight would be unbelievable
both fighters are essentially knock out artists that as donny has already pointed out will look to throw those big overhand rights.
Kessler would be the heavier puncher at 168 but pavlik will throw more. All about what wins over on the night but ones thing for sure and thats that it would be great entertainment and with JC seemingly now set to retire as a 175 pounder it would be to unify and call themselves the undisputed king of the middle divisions!
This would be an extremely entertaining fight, both guys hit very hard and throw a great 1-2, if any complaint could be lodged against either of these fighters it's that they are fairly mechanical, relying on the 1-2. But how colud that possiblty be a negative from a fans perspective. This fight could almost look like Rock em sock em robots on steroids, very exciting indeed.
I've been saying for a while I would love to see this fight happen...
Either way though, it's good that Kessler is getting his head back in the game... I'm a big fan of his, and believe he's still got some good fighting to do inside the ring. I wished that he had of worked a bit harder to get back into it after the Calzaghe loss, even if it was against a lesser opponent. But hopefully the time off has given him a chance to regroup, look at what makes him such a hot prospect, and start kicking ass and taking names again..
I would only give Pavlik the slight edge due to power, and he's shown that he can take a punch well and recover quickly.. Of course, one can say that, and the next fight he could get really shaken...
But based on what's been shown by both fighters, I think Pavlik has shown that bit tiny bit more that would pull him through a win with a fighter like Kessler, who is very similar to him in stye..
It will be a really really great technical fight.. A battle of head on boxing... Good luck to both fighters!
Hope this fight gets signed..
And I actually think Pavlik has quite a lot to gain by beating Kessler.. It does not seem like a big credibility type fight just to get the win in this one..
But to beat Kessler, he's going to need to show a lot of class, which could go a long way towards proving he's the real deal to his critics.. I think the Jermain 1 fight was his real test to prove what he's got.. A win of Kessler will be his next test to show that he is here to stay, and he can stand up to anyone in his weight right now.
LOL that's great! I can see that as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Stick there feet down in front of each other, and start mashing the buttons...
I think whoever is more accurate and on point with their counters on the night will come out on top.. With a few nice counters, either fighter will be in a good position to unload their arsenal and do some damage..
Kessler is going to have to know that he's got to punch with everything he's got... The longer your in with Pavlik, the more chance you've got of him knocking you out... Same with like Cotto.. Either do a good job of running from him, or knock the bastard out ASAP.. You don't have any other options..
I just want to see Pavlik fight. Don't care who it is. It could be the pope and I'd still be psyched for it. (And I'm a catholic!)
Kessler is the man he is better than Calzaghe because he wants to take risks fight the best it was him who wanted to fight Calzaghe Calzaghe kept saying he wasn't that bothered about fighting him.Now Kessler wants Pavlik another top guy see kessler could just win the WBA title then make 21 defences against bums and has beens but no he likes to put himself on the line he isn't bothered about remaining unbeaten.Calzaghe beat Kessler but he isn't proving he is the better fighter by fighting old men way past there best because lets have it right at his best Jones would have destroyed Calzaghe Calzaghe never wanted him then.
Ricky wanted to fight Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Is Ricky therefore better than Mayweather?
Alfonso Gomez wanted to fight Miguel Cotto.
Is Gomez therefore better than Cotto?
Steve Forbes wanted to fight Oscar.
Is Forbes therefore better than Oscar?
Would rather have seen Joe v Kelly but this would be awesome too and probably a better match actually! I favour Kelly, he throws more and and could overwhelm Kessler. On the other hand,I think Kessler is slightly better technically, and could try to counter Kelly. Either way,would be a tremendous affair. Would it be at 168 though or at a catch weight?
My point is Kessler is a top fighter who wants to fight the best take risks where Calzaghe always prefers to take the easier option.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyRicky wanted to fight Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Is Ricky therefore better than Mayweather?
Alfonso Gomez wanted to fight Miguel Cotto.
Is Gomez therefore better than Cotto?
Steve Forbes wanted to fight Oscar.
Is Forbes therefore better than Oscar?
Even if that were 100% correct it does not mean that Kessler is the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbrunoMy point is Kessler is a top fighter who wants to fight the best take risks where Calzaghe always prefers to take the easier option.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyRicky wanted to fight Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Is Ricky therefore better than Mayweather?
Alfonso Gomez wanted to fight Miguel Cotto.
Is Gomez therefore better than Cotto?
Steve Forbes wanted to fight Oscar.
Is Forbes therefore better than Oscar?
Gatti would fight anyone, but he isn't going to be remebered for his vistories because of it.
End of the day Calzaghe should be the one fighting Pavlik but in my opinion he is abit chicken when it comes to fighting Pavlik.But the number 2 supermiddle in the world the man Calzaghe beat is more than willing to test himself against Pavlik if Calzaghe had been abit more of a risk taker he would have had a better fan base sooner and wouldn't had to have 21 defences to get noticed.
Having just beaten the No.1 ranked lineal Light Heavyweight champion, was there any real benefit from drawing the middleweight champ from his comfort zone anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
I should think any natural supermiddlewight in the top ten would take a fight with kelly out of confidence. If they win it will be sseen as them exploiting their size advantage though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I dont think Kessler can go down to middleweight,he is to big,i think Kessler walk around 180 on fight.night
Yeah he could do it, but would weaken himself drastically if he tried. When Pav moves up you will see them meet.Quote:
Originally Posted by jangeorgQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I dont think Kessler can go down to middleweight,he is to big,i think Kessler walk around 180 on fight.night
This one is a true toss-up for me. They're both studly guys who can do more than throw power shots. I think we got to see the other side of Kessler's game against Andrade. He was able to rely on something other than power shots to get a W and he may be able to do that against Pavlik. Pavlik's chin is phenomenal, even though his defense isn't necessarily, but he seems the type to take risks when he sees openings. Taylor hurt him because he was trying to be cute, not because of a flaw in his defense. And Miranda flat-out had nothing that could stop him. Flip a coin for me; that's as good as I can guess.
I believe he fought Mundine in SydneyQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Now we're talking !
Lets have it! Great fight . I cant think of a fight I wana see more really. Proper fight . No messing . Two young , powerful , strong guys . Make it happen .
Pavlik has a lot to gain. If he fights and KOs the slow moving Kessler. He can demand Joe fight him and Joe's fans will demand it also. Kessler will give him a good fight though, but I think Kelly hits him with everything but the kitchen sink.
Kessler never down Amatuer or pro so if Pavlik could stop him i would be very impressed.
Tell me....Why do you not like Pavlik? He is what all boxers should be. Both as a person and a sportsman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The KillerI agree it's a toss up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I admire Kessler stepping up and calling out Pavlik, not many are lining up to fight him atm.
I agree that Pavlik has got a few more outs....the power, work rate, and will be pressuring Kessler all night. Kess likes to set the distance and Pavlik will be invading it all night long.
I'd love to see this fight materialize. I'm a fan of Kessler and don't like Pavlik. The two would make a great match up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
plenty of similar contests at 168.
Bute and miranda are also both essentially knockout punchers.
Add froch, mundine, taylor, abraham, inkin etc and you actually have yourself a very strong division!!
Don't forget Andrade:)Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by GAME
plenty of similar contests at 168.
Bute and miranda are also both essentially knockout punchers.
Add froch, mundine, taylor, abraham, inkin etc and you actually have yourself a very strong division!!
This would be a fucking great fight!
I think kessler is the better boxer
But pavlik seems to have more power and seems to be more natural tough
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I guess what I meant to say, was would now prefer not to.
I previously gave him credit for travelling to beat up Mundine.
I believe he fought Mundine in Sydney