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This is kid is likely going to be the best fighter in the world. He retardedly fast, and not only that but he hits like a mule. I think he needs to keep his hands up a little more, and he needs to go to the body more, but if you ask me who will eventually beat Floyd should he come back, its this guy. Berto has faster hands than Floyd, he's bigger, stronger, and he is this good, but he still has a ton of improvement that can be made.
He looked good for sure. Would like to see him in with a more lively opponent; but maybe he was just so much better he made the kid look like a bum. Very fast hands. Seems somewhat mechanical, but it's working so far. I too would like to see him go more to the body, though he did pop Rodriguez with some good body shots. I thought he did much better with his hands being up than previous fights. Cintron or Clottey is who I'd like to see him in with next.
I think he'll be better in the future but he'll never beat floyd and he does not hit like a mule.
If he went to the body more he would have a better chance than anyone else out there. Also he hits really hard, I have no idea what your talking about. Having a record of 22-0(19KO's) is a guy who can hit very hard, and you can hear it when he lands.
I don't know taeth, most fighters start out with high ko percentage. I just don't think he hit like a mule, that can be intact still as he move on up in weight. His young so ofcourse he will be moving up, do you think his ko percentage will remain high as he grows? plus his level of oppenent are suppose to be getting ko'ed don't you think. that is if he really is any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I saw it and i agree Julius.............your are right.......:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Most fighters don't usually maintain their high KO percentage for as long as he has against the opponents he has of late. 99% of fighters will decline in KO% as their competition gets higher, and they fight at higher weights so I don't know what your trying to prove? Cotto hits really hard, and he isn't KO'ing everybody like he used to, that doens't mean he doesn't hit really hard. Berto does hit really hard, and he will be at WW for quite a while. Also I don't necessarily think his opponents are meant to get KO'ed, Rivera has a great chin, went the distance with Mosley among others, Estrada went 10 rounds with Cintron and has a pretty good chin, and Miguel has never been KO'ed. I am not saying Berto hits like Ketchel, W. Gomez, Zarate, etc. what I am saying is that he hits really hard, and along with his speed he will become IMO better than anyone else out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI don't know taeth, most fighters start out with high ko percentage. I just don't think he hit like a mule, that can be intact still as he move on up in weight. His young so ofcourse he will be moving up, do you think his ko percentage will remain high as he grows? plus his level of oppenent are suppose to be getting ko'ed don't you think. that is if he really is any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
The kid's not that good, but I'll reserve judgement till he steps up and beats someone of stature.
Thats the key with him Imo.Very odd,He has won a title but his level of comp is not that Impressive.In His last two fights he has shown much Improved hand speed & is changing up the pace nice,glad to see he is varying his punches & power.Not a devestating one punch hitter but speed is power in & of it self....but he has aloooong way to go before I go and say he is ready for The top welters.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
Look at Cotto back when he was 24 getting hurt by Demarcus Corley and whatnot. Now I think he is one win away from being the best or second best fighter in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
There is plenty of young and old competition in the Welter Weight division and I look forward to seeing Berto in the future and see if he can live up to the hype.
Berto might have the fastest hands I have ever seen. I'm not sure how hard he hits, I think a lot of his KO's came as result of speed moreso then power. The guys who have been able to see his punches have taken them pretty well like Rodriguez did and Rivera did a few fights back.
But he's definitely a good fighter with ridiculous hand speed. Still has a lot of work to do, really needs to get a better defense. I also wish he had more of a jab and didn't try to work inside with his fast hands that much. He's been hit with the left hook throughout his career and back in his amateur days. Also, he's a pressure fighter I want to see someone move him backwards. That's the big test if he ever faces a top tier guy the big key is going to see how he reacts to going backwards.
He kind of reminds me of Aaron Davis actually.
Amat you got it...Can he fight backing up?Good point.Right now I do not think he can with top tier!I think a tip top Davis would TKO Berto at this stage.
Rodriguez looks like combination of Christian Mijares and Johnny Gonzales (not talent wise).
I can't believe the Mexican police canned him.
I agree Berto isnt a huge puncher. But hes a nice fighter to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI don't know taeth, most fighters start out with high ko percentage. I just don't think he hit like a mule, that can be intact still as he move on up in weight. His young so ofcourse he will be moving up, do you think his ko percentage will remain high as he grows? plus his level of oppenent are suppose to be getting ko'ed don't you think. that is if he really is any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
A lot of question marks in my opinion, he's got great athletic ability but he's got some defensive issues and he definitely doesn't hit like a mule.
What do you mean you don't know? He just stopped a guy who in his 2 prior losses had never been stopped before. Sure he didn't put him down for a ten count, but had the ref not stopped it do you have any doubt that it would have happened in a round or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI don't know taeth, most fighters start out with high ko percentage. I just don't think he hit like a mule, that can be intact still as he move on up in weight. His young so ofcourse he will be moving up, do you think his ko percentage will remain high as he grows? plus his level of oppenent are suppose to be getting ko'ed don't you think. that is if he really is any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
That Bob Pappas seemed pained to mention Andre's brother is a MMA fighter? If I'm not mistaken that was Edison in the ring with him, kissing him on the forehead.
The biggest thing that impresses me about berto is that he gets better and better each fight, and rarely repeat mistakes when he's focused and serious. He gets caught now and again cold and when he try's to showboat but outside of that he's pretty solid. It was hillarious to see dude get floored by that uppercut and say " woooooow" !! when he fell to the cavas that was one of the quickest punches i've seen an opponet have no chance of seeing let alone blocking. The kid is good.....simply put.
I worry about the fact that if I was managing Berto I would have kept him as a prospect for a few more fights. Sure he was handed a belt, but I don't think that he could beat any of the other WW title holders YET. I don't think he has one punch power, but he does have crisp punches that last until the later rounds which will by far and large will keep his KO% up.
I think he should fight Luis Collazo as his mandatory as he is the highest ranked in the WBC. And it should be an interesting fight to see if Berto can handle someone that has definate slickness.
They're showing the fight on sky here in the UK thursday, will have a look then.
Collazo would be an excellent test - and a good gauge of where Berto is right now. I'm of the same mind as a lot of you guys, in that I think he has a lot of potential but still needs a bit of seasoning. Especially to compete with the elite at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I never really got a gauge on how small he is for a welter. He's short stocky quick lil guy, but I'm not sold on this "power". I think someone with a good jab would be the next test, because he's gonna have to learn how to get inside and work against some of the bigger guys at ww.
I been saying it since last year that Berto would pick up a belt and i still think he will unify the welterweight division keep your eyes on this kid and i am also surprised i agree with teath on somthing thats new.
Maybe you guys didn't see the uppercut he landed at the end, but he definitely hits hard. Even his right cross and left hooks were landing hard. I don't think he always tries to land hard, and he threw 300 punches in that fight so obviously he wasn't trying to take the guy out early. He was deadly accurate (52%), his defense has gotten a lot better, and he does have work to do, being as short as he does with as limited mobility as he does he needs to continue to improve a very good jab, and he needs to work the body A LOT more. THe problem with these extremely quick handed guys like him and RJJ is that he can land at will upstairs, but the only reason Cotto finishes half of his opponents is with the bodywork he sets it up with. Once again Berto isn't the hardest puncher in the world, but IMO he hits harder than Cotto at WW, and he hits harder than guys like Pavlik. Only time will tell. For now he needs to work on
1. Keeping his hands up, or work on moving better
2. Going to the body constantly
3. Throw more punches, but always behind the jab.
He still is a prospect, winning a belt IMO nowadays doesn't mean your out of hte prospect realm. I think its when you've been a test worthy opponent that you step outside the prospect realm. I would prefer to see Berto fight a guy with a little more power(to force him to increase his defensive skills), and not a southpaw just yet. Right now Berto really realies on his jab, and a southpaw can totally negate that. Collazo is also really fast, and he has a great chin. I think Berto should fight a guy like Quintana before stepping in there with Collazo.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Quintana is also a southpaw, a lot more sound fundamentally then Collazo and I think would test Berto a lot more then Collazo would. Probably beat him imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHe still is a prospect, winning a belt IMO nowadays doesn't mean your out of hte prospect realm. I think its when you've been a test worthy opponent that you step outside the prospect realm. I would prefer to see Berto fight a guy with a little more power(to force him to increase his defensive skills), and not a southpaw just yet. Right now Berto really realies on his jab, and a southpaw can totally negate that. Collazo is also really fast, and he has a great chin. I think Berto should fight a guy like Quintana before stepping in there with Collazo.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
He's not more fundamentally sound. Collazo has better technique than him, don't let Collazo's performance against Mosley deter you. I still think COllazo had a very good chance of beating Mosley had he not hurt his left hand, I mean after that he didn't throw anything, but judging by him against Hatton, he has great stamina, reflexes, and technique. Quintana is more likely to fold under pressure, he doesn't have great durability, he is slower, and yes he hits harder which I think Berto needs is a guy who's power he needs to respect.
Did you see ever see Collazo winning the belt against Rivera? He's definitely not a guy who deals with pressure all that well it's just that Hatton provided nothing but dumb aggression their fight.
Quintana neutralizes pressure a lot better then Collazo and he's not just a counterpuncher like he was against Williams, he can put together an attack moving forward a lot better then Collazo and most other welterweight contenders which is the big question for me.
Im watching it right now and Berto just threw 5 hooks in a row. This is the first time ive seen him fight, and im impressed to say the least.
LOL, he finished him while i was typing this.
He looks like hes gonna be good.
ditto and ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesrman
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
Quintana didn't neutralize Cotto very well at all. I think his style suits Berto better at this point. Berto isn't a pure pressure fighter, like Cotto, he is more of a boxer-puncher than a pure pressure fighter, which is why you see him backed up without him really caring, and you see him fight using his speed to land while remaining far enough away to not get hit at distance himself.
I think he's being over hyped right now cause of his speed, speed is obviously hugely important but its not everything, not everybody with great speed turns out to be a great fighter, look at Ed Hopson, even Zab, and there have been others.
I don't think he looks comfortable going backwards, not at all. He's very predictable offensively but he gets away with it for the most part cause of his speed. His defense may be improving but its still sketchy and there have always been a lot of rumors about his chin, going back to even the amateurs.
Collazo or Quintana might be good choices because there not heavy hitters but they could definitely cause him some problems, big problems. Paul Williams is too much for him right now IMO. I've never once thought Margarito was anything approaching a great fighter but that would be a man versus a boy and Berto would not see the final bell. Not right now.
I like him, don't get me wrong, he's an exciting prospect but I just think the hype is getting out of control because of his speed. He needs to continue evolving, continue improving. Not counting him out or anything, he just needs to keep improving, he's got a lot of ability, needs to work on technical assets of his game.
Berto is a very exciting fighter, and seems like a nice guy too. I like him. However I really do think it is a joke and a bit of an embrassment for him to be called the WBC Welterweight Champion of the World, and have Floyd Mayweather's old belt.
If they were to fight right now, I would pick Kermit Cintron to KO Berto in the middle rounds.
We'll see though.
I say that should be Berto's next opponent. Personally, I think Berto would eat Cintron alive. Cintron's strong, but you got to be able to put gloves on the other guy to make him feel your power, whereas Cintron can be unraveled like a sweater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I tend to agree that Berto definately has loads more boxing talent than Cintron, but Berto is far from untouchable, and I feel that Cintron could use his power well in the mid-rounds to a stoppage, and in fact if that's the next fight Berto takes, we could see Cintron holding a strap again.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidI say that should be Berto's next opponent. Personally, I think Berto would eat Cintron alive. Cintron's strong, but you got to be able to put gloves on the other guy to make him feel your power, whereas Cintron can be unraveled like a sweater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I still think a better choice would be Collazo. Whatever happens he needs to avoid Margarito, Cotto and Williams like the plague for now.
cintron or quintana would be good opponents as some have said already.. I had to rewind that uppercut about 7 times before i could continue watching the fight.. was a thing of beauty..
berto definitely impressed me, but i have to agree that his defense looks a bit shaky at times, and a big puncher, or even a pressure fighter would possibly crack him.. it doesn't look like he has the elusive speed for defense, but that may also be because he has confidence in his power and just wants to stand in there with you and bang if he has too.. i will definitely be interested to see his next fight/opponent..